The Bema Seat Judgment

[Jedi4Yahweh]

48 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

Matthew 7:22 (KJV)[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

That is not what that is saying at all (go back reread) "Depart from me, Ye that Work Iniquity"  Sin was the issue.  Yes, you can go to church, be in ministry, do all sorts of "good works", say Jesus is your Lord, but if your life is filled unrepentant sin, you will not enter the Kingdom of God.

Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. - 1Jo 2:3-4 

"I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish." - Luk 13:5 

 

Edited October 10, 2022 by Jedi4Yahweh

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18 hours ago, missmuffet said:

This judgment is also called the Judgment Seat of Christ. All believers will have to give account of ourselves. It is a judgment of rewards for how faithful we were to Christ while in these bodies while we were on earth. This judgment doesn't determine salvation because all those in this judgment are true believers in Jesus Christ. God will not judge our sins. There will be different degrees of rewards.

2 Timothy 2:5

And also if anyone competes in athletics, he is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules.

 

Nice posting. It's a subject most Christians shy away from. Perhaps a closer examination of the two critical scriptures will give some light.

 Ro 14:9–12 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

2 Co 5:9–11 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

The Book of Romans was written because ex-Jews, still clinging to the Law after conversion, would have no relations with the ex-Gentile*. This is devastating to the Church which is supposed to display, by its unity, that Christ has come, and that He came at the command of the Father. The issue in Rome was that those who face judgment had turned themselves into judges. And, as often is the case, BOTH were wrong.  Verse 11 shines the light. Those who would be judge are those who will be forced to bend the knee. Verse 12 gives more light. While verse 11 refers to ALL men, angels and demons in the Millennium, whether in heaven, on earth or in Hades, verse 12 starts with "every one of US". That is, it narrows the focus to just Christians. Paul had to do this because the words "judgment Seat of Christ" is "Bema" and not "Thronos". The judgement of the Church is first, then comes Israel and then the rest of the Nations. The Bema was a traveling throne that a sovereign, or his representative, used when visiting far places. The Church is to be raptured, so they face a traveling Seat. But Israel, a nation, and the rest of the Nations are judged at the "Throne of His glory" - a fixed throne from heaven and set up on earth.

2nd Corinthians gives more information. But it is the same "Bema". Verse 9 sets the pace. "for we LABOR". The Bema is for LABORERS. But the "we" makes them Christians. Now, a new thing appears - "are we accepted of Him - OR NOT". All our lives we are accepted by Him until the rapture. The rapture changes the age. Grace is over. It is now a renewal of WORKS. Our works are set at zero at our conversion. "ALL things are new - the past is wiped" (2nd Cor.5:17). But a new counter starts counting. The "body" makes the Church and the body is the visible testimony of an invisible but indwelling God. Did you curse? Or did you fall down drunk? Did you strike or speak evil? It is what was visible? But we have an indication of the flavor of that day - TERROR! This will be not day of "Gentle Jesus meek and mild". It will be a day of trembling knees and loose bowels. You will not be accused. The glorious judge will sit silently. YOU HAVE TO SPEAK! You have to relate your works. And thus Romans 14:10 is manifested. YOU wanted to be a judge? NOW JUDGE YOURSELF!

But what is "good" and what is "bad". Matthew 7:21-23 says it all. On THAT DAY your works will be decided on ONE SINGLE FACTOR. Did you do anything, or nothing, ACCORDING TO GOD'S WILL! The work will be judged and the command behind it will be judged. Did you cast out a demon? Yes? Did your father in heaven order it? NO? Your work was not iniquity but YOU are a worker of iniquity - you rebel! Did you raise the dead? Yes? Was it commanded by God in that instance? "Well ... I'm not sure". Did you give half your estate to the poor? Yes? Was is COMMANDED of you? And you will hear the dreaded words ...

 50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Mt 24:49–51)

Does it say "UN-BIRTH him? Does it say "off to the Lake of Fire"? Does it call him anything but "servant"? Is Christ's work for the servant's sins undone? Is he removed from the Church? Is he "UN-son" of God? Is his eternal life extinguished? NO! But is he CHASTISED? Yes! Does he suffer loss of fellowship with Christ? Yes! Is he disgraced by his sojourn with the hypocrites? Yes! Will he be "cut asunder" in public? Yes! Will he deeply regret his rebellion? Yes, with weeping and gnashing of teeth. For how long? Until Christ wipes away his tears at the end of the Millennium! (Rev.21:4).

Truly ... Terror!

* I use this term because in the New Man, which is made from the "two" (Eph.2:15) is a totally new creation and the past is washed away. Thus, ethnicity is moot.

[enoob57]

2 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

That is not what that is saying at all (go back reread) "Depart from me, Ye that Work Iniquity"  Sin was the issue.  Yes, you can go to church, be in ministry, do all sorts of "good works", say Jesus is your Lord, but if your life is filled unrepentant sin, you will not enter the Kingdom of God.

Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. - 1Jo 2:3-4 

"I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish." - Luk 13:5 

 

 

 

But they did not think so... they thought their works were enough... how is that different from your works?

I go back to the original comment all is being burnt up and forgotten ... how is what we did here going to be remembered? 

Isaiah 65:17 (KJV)

[17] For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

5 hours ago, enoob57 said:

But they did not think so... they thought their works were enough... how is that different from your works?

I go back to the original comment all is being burnt up and forgotten ... how is what we did here going to be remembered? 

Isaiah 65:17 (KJV) [17] For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Does not matter what they think, only matters what scriptures says.  Living a hypocritical double life of saint and sinner will end with you hearing, "Depart from me you, worker of iniquity, I never knew you."

Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive {work fervently} to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all [ye] workers of iniquity. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you [yourselves] thrust out. - Luk 13:23-28 KJV

[enoob57]

11 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Does not matter what they think, only matters what scriptures says.  Living a hypocritical double life of saint and sinner will end with you hearing, "Depart from me you, worker of iniquity, I never knew you."

Titus 3:5 (KJV)

[5] Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

[6] Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

[7] That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

[8] This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

 

[missmuffet]

11 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Does not matter what they think, only matters what scriptures says.  Living a hypocritical double life of saint and sinner will end with you hearing, "Depart from me you, worker of iniquity, I never knew you."

Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive {work fervently} to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all [ye] workers of iniquity. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you [yourselves] thrust out. - Luk 13:23-28 KJV

I agree, you can not live a life of saint and sinner. Although everyone sins everyday but we should not sin intentionally.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

44 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

I agree, you can not live a life of saint and sinner. Although everyone sins everyday but we should not sin intentionally.

I agreed, we do make mistakes at times.  This is where we repent seek forgiveness press on.  God is faithful to forgive us if we sincerely repent.  It is when we get that attitude that God does not care if I sin, why even try to overcome my sins.  This is where we go from living for God to a reprobate.

They profess that they know God; but in works they deny [him], being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. - Tit 1:16 KJV

[missmuffet]

14 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

I agreed, we do make mistakes at times.  This is where we repent seek forgiveness press on.  God is faithful to forgive us if we sincerely repent.  It is when we get that attitude that God does not care if I sin, why even try to overcome my sins.  This is where we go from living for God to a reprobate.

They profess that they know God; but in works they deny [him], being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. - Tit 1:16 KJV

It is when we mock God or take advantage of His forgiveness that we are in trouble.