LETTER OF JUDE (Part 1)

[ayin jade]

1 minute ago, JohnR7 said:

I gave you the name of that book two or three times. You are the one that has nothing to show. 

The problem is, you miss the WHOLE point. Jesus HAD to be a "son" of Joseph to inherit the Kingdom of David. You already admit that Jesus was adopted by Joseph. You do not claim Joseph was his father. You just claim that Mary gave up her virginity after Jesus was born. Yet you have nothing to show this is true. When someone dedicates their life to God, it is for life. All the other girls were happy to leave the temple and start a family. Mary was different. She would not need John the Disciple to take care of her if she had son's and daughters of her own. 

 

John 19:25 Near the cross of Jesus stood His mother and her sister, as well as Mary the wife of Clopas and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus saw His mother and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He said to His mother, “Woman, here is your son.” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” So from that hour, this disciple took her into his home.

Jesus was 33. Mary was actually 
 

5207 hyiós – properly, a son (by birth or adoption); (figuratively) anyone sharing the same nature as their Father. For the believer, becoming a son of God begins with being reborn (adopted) by the heavenly Father – through Christ (the work of the eternal Son). In the NT, 5207 /hyiós ("son") equally refers to female believers (Gal 3:28).

5207 /hyiós ("son") emphasizes likeness of the believer to the heavenly Father, i.e. resembling His character more and more by living in faith ("God's inwrought persuasons," see 4102 /pístis).

5207 /hyiós ("son") highlights the (legal) right to the Father's inheritance, i.e. as the believer lives in conformity with the Father's nature (purpose).

That book..infancy gospel.. Is not the bible. It is not God breathed scripture.

[JohnR7]

17 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

That book..infancy gospel.. Is not the bible. It is not God breathed scripture.

We are having a Bible study here. Can you address the scriptures I gave you? Why did Jesus assign John to take care of Mary if she had sons and daughters to take care of her?  Hebrews were very strict about the duty of children to take care of their parents. The Bible clearly says to: “Honor your father and your mother.” This would be an insult and a violation of the Law of Moses if Jesus assigned John and not natural sons to take care of Mary. 

If Jesus were the oldest child then the younger brothers would be obligated to follow him. He would have obligations to them as the eldest child. This does not hold true if they are step brothers. 

Edited October 13, 2022 by JohnR7

[Jedi4Yahweh]

44 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

I gave you the name of that book two or three times. You are the one that has nothing to show. 

I asked for scriptures not pseudepigraphal writings.

The two books you mentioned (Infancy Gospel & Protoevangelium of James) were both rejected as pseudepigraphal.  Meaning they are considered forged documents written by people claiming to be someone else.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Protoevangelium-of-James.html

https://www.gotquestions.org/infancy-gospels.html

 

 

Edited October 13, 2022 by Jedi4Yahweh

[Anne2]

15 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

The DNA of Eve though Mary had to be in Jesus. As they say, Jesus was fully human and fully God because God was His begotten Father. 

Eve shared DNA with Adam. Bone of my bone flesh of my flesh.

The marital covenant made Mary's/ Eve's seed Joseph's/ Adam's seed.

No notion of Step father here. The son of God/The son of man.

Ge 2:24  Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Mt 19:5  And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Mt 19:6  Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Mr 10:8  And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
Eph 5:31  For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

Lukes So called Genealogy begins with Joseph mary's husband.

Edited October 13, 2022 by Anne2

[JohnR7]

1 hour ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

I asked for scriptures

You and I are having a discussion about the exact same scripture. (Matthew 13:55) The difference is, I am giving you the scripture in John 19:27 where Jesus tells the disciple to take care of Mary. If Mary had 6 children as you suggest, then why did they not take care of her. It would have been a violation of the Law of Moses for them not to Honor their parents and take good care of them. Jesus would have been the eldest and the eldest child has obligations and responsibilities in a family. None of this adds up to supporting your claim. I am giving you an additional scripture (John 19:27) as you requested. Now I am asking you for the same consideration to give me additional scripture to back up your claim or interpretation. 

[JohnR7]

1 hour ago, Anne2 said:

Eve shared DNA with Adam. Bone of my bone flesh of my flesh.

The marital covenant made Mary's/ Eve's seed Joseph's/ Adam's seed.

No notion of Step father here. The son of God/The son of man.

Ge 2:24  Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Mt 19:5  And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Mt 19:6  Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Mr 10:8  And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
Eph 5:31  For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

Lukes So called Genealogy begins with Joseph mary's husband.

I was talking about Genesis 2:5 God is talking to the Serpent about the seed of the women. I am not sure what He means, by the seed of the serpent. Jesus is the seed of Eve through Mary. 

15And I will put enmity between you and the woman,

and between your seed and her seed.

He will crush your head,

and you will strike his heel.c”

[ayin jade]

3 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

We are having a Bible study here. Can you address the scriptures I gave you? Why did Jesus assign John to take care of Mary if she had sons and daughters to take care of her?  Hebrews were very strict about the duty of children to take care of their parents. The Bible clearly says to: “Honor your father and your mother.” This would be an insult and a violation of the Law of Moses if Jesus assigned John and not natural sons to take care of Mary. 

If Jesus were the oldest child then the younger brothers would be obligated to follow him. He would have obligations to them as the eldest child. This does not hold true if they are step brothers. 

On the road atm and cant address until tuesday at earliest

[Anne2]

6 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

By all means, show me where it is NOT scriptural.  If you're going to make a claim, you have to back it up. 

The tradition of the perpetual virginity of Mary first clearly appears in a late 2nd century text called the Gospel of James.[12] It was established as orthodoxy at the Council of Ephesus in 431,[13] the Second Council of Constantinople in 553 gave her the title "Aeiparthenos", meaning Perpetual Virgin, and at the Lateran Synod of 649 Pope Martin I emphasized the threefold character of the perpetual virginity, before, during, and after the birth of Christ.[14] The Lutheran Smalcald Articles (1537) and the Reformed Second Helvetic Confession (1562) codified the doctrine of perpetual virginity of Mary as well.[15][3]`

This is accurate. Looked it up because of claims some people were making as of late. It surprised me that some reformers adopted these things, I did not know that is for sure. Sometimes, oftentimes some just paint with a way too broad of a brush, not really caring they are doing it, some just don't really know themselves. Some Lump all together when they actually are not.

[Anne2]

52 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

On the road atm and cant address until tuesday at earliest

Ah drats! that is quite some time to wait for your response. 

[Jedi4Yahweh]

1 hour ago, JohnR7 said:

You and I are having a discussion about the exact same scripture. (Matthew 13:55) The difference is, I am giving you the scripture in John 19:27 where Jesus tells the disciple to take care of Mary. If Mary had 6 children as you suggest, then why did they not take care of her. It would have been a violation of the Law of Moses for them not to Honor their parents and take good care of them. Jesus would have been the eldest and the eldest child has obligations and responsibilities in a family. None of this adds up to supporting your claim. I am giving you an additional scripture (John 19:27) as you requested. Now I am asking you for the same consideration to give me additional scripture to back up your claim or interpretation. 

We don't know who Jhn 19.27 is referring to as "the disciple".  As far as we know "the disciple" could be one of his sibling brothers.  Also, I never said Jesus had 6 brothers, please don't put words into my mouth.

Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own [home]. - Jhn 19:27 

Not sure how Mat 13:33 helps you either, it seems to work against your claims showing the Joseph and Mary had several children.

Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this [man] all these things? - Mat 13:55-56