AnOrangeCat Posted October 14, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 57 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,418 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 1,842 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/24/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Starise said: One thing that seems to be getting lost in the translation for the word tolerance in popular culture is that "tolerance" does not mean agreement and it doesn't have to mean acceptance if said acceptance means I have to make concessions for my belief. We can accept people but firmly disagree with their lifestyle or beliefs. Accepting a person does not mean I agree with what they teach or believe or do. I'm fully on board with this. Having spent a lot of my time around people who take "Love your neighbor as yourself" as a blanket argument to excuse their favorite sins and as a shield against scriptural criticism I'm a bit sick of tolerance as it's taken to mean at present. But to add a bit... Jesus didn't really deal with people of other religions so much. His mission was more the cross and interacting with the Jews and to a lesser extent the Romans. We can see that He was courteous enough based on the Samaritan woman and the centurion, but their whatever religious beliefs they may or may not have held weren't really brought up. IMO the closest thing we have to it is when He started flipping tables in the temple because people had perverted its use for their own gain. We see Simon in Acts 8 trying to buy the power of God, which falls into a similar category. Another point of interest to me is that when Jesus lays down the protocol for what to do when a brother sins against us. If after approaching him quietly, taking two or three others, and then bringing the matter before the church the person remains hardheaded Jesus said to treat them like a pagan or a tax collector. This indicates that to the Jews at the time there were certain courtesies and traditions you didn't have to extend to outsiders. Jesus still gave those people the time of day and ministered to them where it was productive, but nowhere does He condone their bad behaviors. Looking at other NT examples Paul preached the gospel in places where it offended the locals (the silversmiths). The people worshiping the unknown god may well have been offended as the message Paul brought. The Old Testament stance on other religions is very clear and is more like zero tolerance. So overall I don't feel like there's a Biblical case for religious tolerance as it's thought of in modern western culture. Edited October 14, 2022 by AnOrangeCat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starise Posted October 14, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 13 Topic Count: 279 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 13,126 Content Per Day: 9.67 Reputation: 13,662 Days Won: 149 Joined: 08/26/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted October 14, 2022 2 hours ago, AnOrangeCat said: I'm fully on board with this. Having spent a lot of my time around people who take "Love your neighbor as yourself" as a blanket argument to excuse their favorite sins and as a shield against scriptural criticism I'm a bit sick of tolerance as it's taken to mean at present. But to add a bit... Jesus didn't really deal with people of other religions so much. His mission was more the cross and interacting with the Jews and to a lesser extent the Romans. We can see that He was courteous enough based on the Samaritan woman and the centurion, but their whatever religious beliefs they may or may not have held weren't really brought up. IMO the closest thing we have to it is when He started flipping tables in the temple because people had perverted its use for their own gain. We see Simon in Acts 8 trying to buy the power of God, which falls into a similar category. Another point of interest to me is that when Jesus lays down the protocol for what to do when a brother sins against us. If after approaching him quietly, taking two or three others, and then bringing the matter before the church the person remains hardheaded Jesus said to treat them like a pagan or a tax collector. This indicates that to the Jews at the time there were certain courtesies and traditions you didn't have to extend to outsiders. Jesus still gave those people the time of day and ministered to them where it was productive, but nowhere does He condone their bad behaviors. Looking at other NT examples Paul preached the gospel in places where it offended the locals (the silversmiths). The people worshiping the unknown god may well have been offended as the message Paul brought. The Old Testament stance on other religions is very clear and is more like zero tolerance. So overall I don't feel like there's a Biblical case for religious tolerance as it's thought of in modern western culture. Interesting points on Jesus's ministry while here on earth. I believe the Samaritan woman points us to the segue into the Gentiles. Jesus ministered to them and she is one of the examples we are told of making is very clear that all men and women are the objects of God's love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverwalker Posted October 14, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 92 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,054 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 1,753 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/09/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted October 14, 2022 Thou shall have no other Gods Before Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnR7 Posted October 14, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,907 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 614 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/03/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/06/1952 Share Posted October 14, 2022 12 hours ago, R. Hartono said: I dont mean to become a stumbling stone with this question that can make you fall. There are hundreds of religions/beliefs in this world. Does the God of the Bible respect religious tolerance ? That He letteth it ? Most religions follow the golden rule. Jesus tells us a : " servant who knows his master’s will but does not get ready or follow his instructions will be beaten with many blows. 48 But the one who unknowingly does things worthy of punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and from him who has been entrusted with much, even more will be demanded." Luke 12 Most people I know talk about religion of doing good works to try to please God. Then they talk about actually knowing God and having a personal relationship with Him. I think it is better to be a good person and even better to know God. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi4Yahweh Posted October 14, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,955 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 636 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/12/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Starise said: Interesting points on Jesus's ministry while here on earth. I believe the Samaritan woman points us to the segue into the Gentiles. Jesus ministered to them and she is one of the examples we are told of making is very clear that all men and women are the objects of God's love. Samaritans are actually Israelites (not gentiles) they belonged to the northern Kingdom of Israel. Jews did not consider them Jews because they had their own worship sites had their own version of the Torah. In fact, Jews detested them and would not have anything to do with them. This is why the women at the well and his disciples were surprised that Jesus would talk to a Samaritan. https://www.gotquestions.org/Samaritans.html Edited October 14, 2022 by Jedi4Yahweh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted October 15, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 775 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,953 Content Per Day: 3.05 Reputation: 1,985 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 15, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Riverwalker said: Thou shall have no other Gods Before Me Should God let other religions for mankind ? Why He doesnt stop them. @Selah7 @missmuffet @Jedi4Yahweh @JohnR7 @AnOrangeCat @Starise @Who me @Your closest friendnt Edited October 15, 2022 by R. Hartono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted October 15, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,691 Content Per Day: 11.76 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 15, 2022 1 minute ago, R. Hartono said: Should God let other religions for mankind ? @missmuffet @Jedi4Yahweh @JohnR7 @AnOrangeCat @Starise "Should God let other religions for mankind ? " I did not understand the above words you posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted October 15, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 775 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,953 Content Per Day: 3.05 Reputation: 1,985 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 15, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, missmuffet said: "Should God let other religions for mankind ? " I did not understand the above words you posted. God can stop other religions if thats not right cant He ? Edited October 15, 2022 by R. Hartono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted October 15, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,799 Content Per Day: 6.19 Reputation: 11,244 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted October 15, 2022 Might as well ask why He didnt stop adam and eve. Sin abounds but He gave us a way to be saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOrangeCat Posted October 15, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 57 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,418 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 1,842 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/24/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted October 15, 2022 2 hours ago, R. Hartono said: Should God let other religions for mankind ? Why He doesnt stop them. I agree with ayin jade. God allows a lot of sin and evil to exist, but it won't go on forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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