Catholics Vs. Protestants (I don't get it)

[JohnR7]

1 hour ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

I believe you are adding much to God's Word, much like the Pharisees. 

That is about 50 times I have told you now. Be careful of what you accuse others of because you are the one that is guilty. There is NOTHING that I run into more than people accusing others of what they are guilty of. I get tired of having to explain it to people. 

As far as adding to the Bible. Science gives us better understanding of what Moses and Jesus teach us. No one can add to what we receive from Moses and Jesus. It is all in the word Beginning. You just need to understand what the word Beginning means. 

My son is a computer engineer. I can assure you that math is very accurate and precise. The Universe is very accurate and precise. God's Justice is very accurate and precise. 

We are adding to your understanding of Science and the Bible, but I do not add anything to either one. I do not go by my own authority so I do not have to defend myself. I go by science and I go by the Bible. That is my authority. 

My father was a medical doctor. We take science very serious because often there is a good chance that someone's life depends on it. In fact, many times people have told me that their son or daughter is alive because my father helped them. 

 I did construction work. I know how to get things to happen and make it work in the real world. 

Edited October 17, 2022 by JohnR7

[JohnR7]

9 hours ago, Starise said:

Good suggestion. I would probably do that but we are at opposite directions from where we work. It would be a long haul for him. A very long haul.

My wife has had the same job for 20 years, and she is only 2 miles away. Makes it real easy for her to get a ride to work with someone. 

[Jedi4Yahweh]

39 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

As far as adding to the Bible. Science gives us better understanding of what Moses and Jesus teach us. No one can add to what we receive from Moses and Jesus. It is all in the word Beginning. You just need to understand what the word Beginning means. 

My son is a computer engineer. I can assure you that math is very accurate and precise. The Universe is very accurate and precise. God's Justice is very accurate and precise. 

Hmmm...how does science explain anything about God?  How does science explain creation as described in the bible? The world wide flood of Noah?  The parting of the sea?  The virgin birth of Messiah?  The miracles that Jesus performed?  The power of his crucifixion?  The resurrection of Messiah?  Salvation of believers?  The new birth?  Eternal life?

Yes, I am sure science will attempt explain away the miracles of God as natural phenomena and how the bible got it all wrong.

Also, what does your son being a computer engineer have to do with anything?  I am also engineer with a Masters degree in Computer Science and can tell you math or science does not explain our supernatural God.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where [is] the wise? where [is] the scribe? where [is] the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, [are called]: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; - 1Co 1:18-27 KJV

 

[NCAP]

9 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 

Wood is not the power of God, but those who worship wood are idolaters. Wood "can neither see nor hear nor walk". (Rev. 19:20)

[other one]

On 10/15/2022 at 7:52 AM, Not of the World said:

I think both views are extreme and erroneous.  What are your thoughts?

I believe Scripture tells us that Jesus himself is the only entity that makes that decision, so I don't see how we can say that anyone would/could not be saved.

I think the safest way to be sure is to follow Romans 10:9 

Rom 10:9
9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved;
NASB

 

[Not of the World]

4 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

I didn't write what I did to defend Luther.  Who of us are perfect?   There is one that is perfect and His name is Jesus.  I, on the other hand, am a flawed follower of His.

I too am a broken sinner my brother.  I am dissuaded, however, from looking to Luther for Godly truth and wisdom based on his statements about Jewish people.  

[Not of the World]

10 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

You should leave him alone. There is no need to make him a cultural Christian of some Christian order...and it is not mandatory for him to become a full pledged disciples. 

What is important at this stage it is to understand that believing in Jesus is what God is asking us to do...

And he may believe, probably if he is from a Catholic background he believes...

I think I share your perspective - to a point.  Should we leave Catholics alone because, after all, they believe in Christ?  Or should we continue to expose the Church's fallacies so that the Church does not (one day) lead them down a completely wrong path, such as proclaiming the anti-Christ (when he appears) to be Christ himself?  

I can see it now.  The Pope kneels down to the anti-Christ and proclaims that "our savior has returned in glory!" and, just like that, 1 Billion+ Catholics are deceived.  

I think we need to "plant some seeds" in them that the Pope and the Church is erroneous.  

 

 

[Not of the World]

1 hour ago, other one said:

I believe Scripture tells us that Jesus himself is the only entity that makes that decision, so I don't see how we can say that anyone would/could not be saved.

I think the safest way to be sure is to follow Romans 10:9 

Rom 10:9
9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved;
NASB

 

  

[Guest]

3 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

That is about 50 times I have told you now. Be careful of what you accuse others of because you are the one that is guilty. There is NOTHING that I run into more than people accusing others of what they are guilty of. I get tired of having to explain it to people. 

You sure it's 50? I believe it's somewhat less.

3 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

As far as adding to the Bible. Science gives us better understanding of what Moses and Jesus teach us. No one can add to what we receive from Moses and Jesus. It is all in the word Beginning. You just need to understand what the word Beginning means. 

So when you use science to interpret the Bible it's okay, but when I do it it's wrong.

3 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

My son is a computer engineer. I can assure you that math is very accurate and precise. The Universe is very accurate and precise. God's Justice is very accurate and precise. 

I've successfully built computers for the military and foreign governments; pharmaceutical companies, scientific research, and electronic media. I've worked in the energy field, consumer goods, automobiles, and raw materials (oil, gas, zinc, etc).  Additionally I've worked in commercial and military aerospace.  I cannot talk about what I've done for the last 20 years because of clearance.  You don't have a need to know.

3 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

We are adding to your understanding of Science and the Bible, but I do not add anything to either one. I do not go by my own authority so I do not have to defend myself. I go by science and I go by the Bible. That is my authority. 

My father was a medical doctor. We take science very serious because often there is a good chance that someone's life depends on it. In fact, many times people have told me that their son or daughter is alive because my father helped them. 

 I did construction work. I know how to get things to happen and make it work in the real world. 

I also worked in construction but swear I won't walk iron ever again. My engineering degree has been more varied than other engineers of the same age because I'm always looking for a challenge. I can also program in about 8 languages.  

This is some of my experience, not my father's or my son's or daughter's.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Not of the World said:

I too am a broken sinner my brother.  I am dissuaded, however, from looking to Luther for Godly truth and wisdom based on his statements about Jewish people.  

True.