58 US churches vote to disaffiliate from United Methodist Church over LGBTQ stance

[JimmyB]

12 hours ago, other one said:

Jesus never said anything explicit about abortion, same-sex marriage, or child molestation.  Should we accept all those together.   Paul had things to say about it so do we just ignore all of Paul's teaching

You have probably heard of reductio ad absurdum -- but maybe not.  Jesus never said anything about automobiles.  Should you be driving one?  He never mentioned television.  Should you be watching?  He never said anything about internet forums, so should you be here?

[other one]

1 minute ago, JimmyB said:

You have probably heard of reductio ad absurdum -- but maybe not.  Jesus never said anything about automobiles.  Should you be driving one?  He never mentioned television.  Should you be watching?  He never said anything about internet forums, so should you be here?

i hope you realize we are on the same side of this subject.

[JimmyB]

11 hours ago, Jayne said:

Oh, JimmyB - 

Do you only believe the words in red or do you believe the whole of the Bible?  Jesus did say this, “Haven’t you read that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

Don't make me explain the male and female anatomy and what "one-flesh" means in that context.

I love my homosexual friends and a few have come to my church - not often, but they know they are welcome.

They also know what I believe the Bible teaches. And....they know that I pray for them.

 

I don't own a red-letter Bible.  That is an idea of the publisher.  It is not Biblical.

I believe in loving my neighbor, not discrimination.  All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

[JimmyB]

1 minute ago, other one said:

i hope you realize we are on the same side of this subject.

I don't realize that.  You mentioned Paul's teaching in your post: "Paul had things to say about it so do we just ignore all of Paul's teaching".  I don't ignore Paul or any other Bible author.

[JimmyB]

5 hours ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

Jesus endorsed the Old Testament, that says a lot!

I have no idea what you are trying to say.  

[Jayne]

7 hours ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

How about a celibate gay man?

A man who has professed to be gay, but celibate?  I'm sure that would be a no.

If his heart, mind, and body were about being with another man - even if he did not act on it - it would be enough of a stumbling block to his pastoring and preaching that would prevent his being ordained.

Men wanting to be ordained to pastor and preach should be vetted thoroughly. They can't be perfect - no one is.  Everybody sins.  But if there are specific things that they struggle terribly with that could be an impediment to their being a shepherd, they should not be ordained.

Now God can call a man and HEAL him.  Look at Paul!!

If God took that sexual yearning for men away from that gay, but celibate man - who knows what God could do?

[Not of the World]

2 hours ago, JimmyB said:

I believe in loving my neighbor, not discrimination. 

Does God practice "discrimination"? 

[other one]

5 hours ago, Not of the World said:

Does God practice "discrimination"? 

he doesn't need to practice, he's a pro...

[debrakay]

16 hours ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

Well, it is not your job to judge those outside the church (assuming you are a Christian), those inside, are a different story!   1 Cor 5

I agree with you OMan.  As Christian brothers and sisters we are to bring the sin of others to their attention on a one-on-one conversation.  This is the judgement we are allowed between those who are followers of Jesus and part of His church.  If they choose to listen wonderful. 

The word judgement is often confused with the word condemnation.  Only God can condemn.  Christians can judge (but not condemn) other Christians in a loving and quiet manner. In I Corintians 5: 13 we are also told to "put away from yourselves the evil person" whether they be inside or outside the church. 

A pastor and church denomination that choose to follow "some" of the inspired word of God's scripture and not "all" of His scripture will be held accountable for leading others astray and off the path of righteousness.  

[debrakay]

16 hours ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

How about a celibate gay man?

I tend to believe that "sexual immorality" is called by many, many different names and more so in our time.  It is all sexual sin.  This scripture pretty well tells it like it is in the eyes of God.

Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. 

I Corinthians 6:18