The Seventh Trumpet and the Period It Heralds

[not an echo]

On 1/11/2023 at 1:39 PM, iamlamad said:

On 1/10/2023 at 1:53 PM, not an echo said:

Hello iamlamad,

What kind of total eclipse are you talking about that has the "moon to appear blood red and the sun to appear black" at the same time?  Can you tell me where to Goggle for pictures of that?

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John never said "at the same time." These two events can be as closes together as around two weeks.

You are making me think some of them thoughts about you again that I wish I wasn't having to think.

[not an echo]

On 1/11/2023 at 2:08 PM, iamlamad said:

On 1/10/2023 at 1:53 PM, not an echo said:

 

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Once again, how can anyone imagine total darkness for days on end could be equated with total eclipses? 

Hello iamlamad,

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Of what you say concerning "days on end",  I can see the "third part" darkness where "the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise" (Rev. 8:12) resulting from the suspension of the dust, vapor, and smoke that will fill the atmosphere, caused by what all happens in connection with the sounding of the 4th Trumpet and prior

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I remember watching a Youtube video by Paul Dorgan:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Ynrb2qugA&t=2032s

(I had to take the HTTP:// of the front to keep it from copying a photo.)

He talks of the sign of total darkness (the sun, moon and stars not giving their light.) Start around 38 minutes of you wish.

"God is going to turn out the lights; the universe will be dark..."

I believe you will agree with everything this guy says. His videos are VERY well thought out and very well presented. However, that being said, I believe it is very slick deception—for I disagree with him.

Concerning your encouragement to me to "Start around 38 minutes of you wish,"  what I really wish is that we could discuss The Seventh Trumpet and the Period It Heralds.

Concerning your last line, how can you think that I would care anything about watching this video after you say such a thing as this?

Edited December 12, 2023 by not an echo

[not an echo]

On 1/11/2023 at 3:48 PM, iamlamad said:

On 1/10/2023 at 1:53 PM, not an echo said:

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We are in agreement that Christ's Second Advent comes after Daniel's 70th Week.  We are in agreement that the 6th Seal is opened before Daniel's 70th Week.  Where we are differing concerns the "tribulation" Jesus speaks of in Matthew 24:29 and how everything gets out of kelter when it is not seen that what Jesus is speaking of in verses 29-31 finds its fulfillment with the opening of the 6th Seal---making the "tribulation" He is speaking of connect with the opening of the prior seals.  I have a thread dedicated to this titled The Tribulation of Matthew 24:29 and Daniel's 70th Week (https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/279060-the-tribulation-of-matthew-2429-and-daniels-70th-week/).  The Revelation holds the key to opening the truth of this, and you will not use it.

So, what has happened here is that you have went from shooting yourself in the foot to trying to shoot me in the foot.  If you were nice, you would apologize.

How strange! The 70th week has just finished. "those days"  of "great tribulation" have just finished. Let's look together:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

First, Jesus said "then shall be great tribulation..." Then referred back to great tribulation as "those days." Therefore, I frequently write, "those days" of "great tribulation..." quoting Jesus word for word.

Then, just a few verses later, Jesus said, "after the tribulation of those days..."

What ELSE would He be talking about except for or other than the days of great tribulation he had just mentioned?

I go into detail about this in my thread titled, The Tribulation of Matthew 24:29 and Daniel's 70th Week (https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/279060-the-tribulation-of-matthew-2429-and-daniels-70th-week/).  Concisely, it is understandable why anyone might wonder along the line of what you are saying.  I have had like thoughts.  But, whatever one believes, it must fit with all that is revealed to us in Scripture---not just how things may look on the surface.  My position arises from seeking an understanding that will also fit with what we find in The Revelation and elsewhere.

If you struggle with my position on this, you shouldn't have any problem at all seeing why I would struggle with your denial that Jesus' words in Matthew 24:29-31 are fulfilled after the opening of the 6th Seal.

[not an echo]

On 1/13/2023 at 7:33 AM, iamlamad said:

You and I are simply never going to agree until we arrive in heaven.

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29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:  [What days? Of course, if we leave this verse in context, the days He has just been talking about. First the days of great tribulation. Then the days when false Christs and false prophets are showing great miracles: those days.] 

Please explain then why you would jump all the way back to the time of earthquakes, pestilences, wars and rumors of wars that aligns with "the end is not yet? (The time that parallels the second, third and fourth seals.) 

Considering the normal use of the English Language, we should go back to Jesus' first use of the word "tribulation."

Concerning your last sentence, let's do that.  Jesus' first use of the word which is often translated "tribulation" is in the following verse, from Matthew 24...

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted (Gk. thlipsis), and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for My name's sake.

Not only is this Jesus' first use of the word that has been transliterated "thlipsis,"  but it is the exact same Greek word He used, with the same inflection, as what He spoke in verse 29, translated "tribulation."  Consider from the Textus Receptus the word that I have in bold in verse 9...

9 τότε παραδώσουσιν ὑμᾶς εἰς θλῖψιν καὶ ἀποκτενοῦσιν ὑμᾶς καὶ ἔσεσθε μισούμενοι ὑπὸ πάντων τῶν ἐθνῶν διὰ τὸ ὄνομά μου

and then in verse 29

29  Εὐθέως δὲ μετὰ τὴν θλῖψιν τῶν ἡμερῶν ἐκείνων ὁ ἥλιος σκοτισθήσεται καὶ ἡ σελήνη οὐ δώσει τὸ φέγγος αὐτῆς καὶ οἱ ἀστέρες πεσοῦνται ἀπὸ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ καὶ αἱ δυνάμεις τῶν οὐρανῶν σαλευθήσονται

If you like exactness, you cannot get any more exact than this.  However, this is not quite the case with what He spoke in verse 21.  Consider...

21  ἔσται γὰρ τότε θλῖψις μεγάλη οἵα οὐ γέγονεν ἀπ᾽ ἀρχῆς κόσμου ἕως τοῦ νῦν οὐδ οὐ μὴ γένηται

Not only this, but of what He spoke in verse 21, He used the qualifier transliterated "megas,"  or "μεγάλη,"  the word following what I have in bold in verse 21.  Got it?

Now, I submit that if we had been sitting at Jesus' feet during His Olivet Discourse, we would not have so easily mistaken the "θλῖψιν" that He spoke in verse 29 for the "θλῖψις μεγάλη" that He spoke of in verse 21, but our minds would have went to the "θλῖψιν" that He spoke of in verse 9---just a couple of minutes prior.  Only thing is, we were not there.  But John was, and he also received The Revelation.  Moreover, what John heard Jesus speak of in Matthew 24:29-31, he saw the fulfillment of after the 6th Seal was opened.  When you see what I am talking about iamlamad, you won't ever be able to unsee it.  You have my word on it.

Edited December 12, 2023 by not an echo

[iamlamad]

10 hours ago, not an echo said:

Concerning what you say in your last sentence, if you are wanting to put some of verses 1-13 in parenthesis, why not just put verse two in parenthesis?  With the understanding of this that I have presented, this would work far, far better than making "verses 4-13 a parenthesis"---a position that is glaringly in conflict with verse 14.

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9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

Chapter 10: seven thunders utter their voices: John not allowed to write.
(Many people consider chapter 10 as a parenthesis or an intermission.  However, the seven thunders are real time events that will take place at that moment in time.)

1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

(7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

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13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.)

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

This will also work. I am convinced that John used parentheses in this chapter, but with no marks, it is difficult to know exactly where to put the left parenthesis mark. Perhaps at verse 7 is better than at verse 4. There is no "time" involved in verses 4 through 6: only information. The first verse that shows time elapsed is verse 7. I may change my mind from now on and say the parenthesis goes from verse 7 to 13.

There is no time involved with verse 2. It is only information about the measuring. Now that you mention this verse, did you notice that since the outer court of the temple is for Gentiles, that tells us that the temple itself is for Jews and Hebrews. This is the new Jewish temple and the worshipers are probably those that we see at the wailing wall, praying: Jews that love the Father and have faith in Him.

Again you say "conflict with verse 14." Please explain that. I see no conflict.

[iamlamad]

10 hours ago, not an echo said:

You are making me think some of them thoughts about you again that I wish I wasn't having to think.

Many people read through Revelation and the element of TIME is ignored. 

When I was bugging God about John weeping, I asked Him why He included John weeping and weeping much in this awesome book. He spoke and said, "It shows timing."

I studied diligently, hours a day, for two or so weeks, and could not see "timing" anywhere in chapters 4 or 5. After two or so more weeks, He spoke again and said "It also shows the movement of time." I could not find that either. Looking back on those days, I was VERY SLOW.

No need to think such thoughts: we are both here to learn TRUTH.  You have inspired me to change my mind in chapter 11.

[iamlamad]

11 hours ago, not an echo said:

 

Hmmm.  No, what I am doing is interpreting Scripture with Scripture.  The verses I always reference to show this are the following from Daniel 12...

 

Some people imagine that find Daniel's sealed book in Revelation, but I find nothing written to prove such a theory. Therefore I consider it only imagination.  Why would John be told to eat Daniel's book? I would rather think this is a book created in heaven. Ezekiel was told to eat a scroll. 

Scripture with scripture? Good idea. Here is a place we can do that. Notice Jesus' mention of "those days..."

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

I suggest that every mention of "those days" are speaking of the very same "those days" which in context, are days AFTER the midpoint of the week. They are days of tribulation, according to verse 29, and they are days great tribulation according to verse 21. They will be days where there will be no time to nurse a child: something very difficult to do when one is running for their life. Finally, they are days that will be supernaturally shortened.

Therefore I am amazed that you imagine Jesus jumped back to the time of the seals - if indeed that is what you really believe.

[iamlamad]

10 hours ago, not an echo said:

Concerning your encouragement to me to "Start around 38 minutes of you wish",  what I really wish is that we could discuss The Seventh Trumpet and the Period It Heralds.

Concerning your last line, how can you think that I would care anything about watching this video after you say such a thing as this?

I thought you would watch a little of it just out of courtesy since I asked you to. I will not feel slighted if you chose not to.

Either start a thread about the 7th trumpet or if you have one already, point me to it. Or, since this is your thread, let's discuss it here.

I don't see a long period of time for the 7th trumpet. It is like a switch. I flip the switch to turn on a light. It takes only a second or two, but the light stays on.

At the 7th trumpet, the kingdoms of the world are taken from Satan and given to Jesus Christ. FINALLY, after 6000 years, God has authority over planet earth again! 

Just like the light that stays on, after it is switched on, God will never again lost authority over this planet. 

[iamlamad]

14 hours ago, not an echo said:

I go into detail about this in my thread titled, The Tribulation of Matthew 24:29 and Daniel's 70th Week (https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/279060-the-tribulation-of-matthew-2429-and-daniels-70th-week/).  Concisely, it is understandable why anyone might wonder along the line of what you are saying.  I have had like thoughts.  But, whatever one believes, it must fit with all that is revealed to us in Scripture---not just how things may look on the surface.  My position arises from seeking an understanding that will also fit with what we find in The Revelation and elsewhere.

If you struggle with my position on this, you shouldn't have any problem at all seeing why I would struggle with your denial that Jesus' words in Matthew 24:29-31 are fulfilled after the opening of the 6th Seal.

Because I see Matthew 24: 1-31 as very chronological, I believe you are mistaken to believe "after the tribulation of those days" is after any other tribulation that "those days" of "great tribulation" Jesus had not spoken about.

What other verses do you see that conflicts with this very common belief that would cause you to go against a normal reading of this passage?

Could one reason possibly be your theory that the comic signs here match the signs at the 6th seal?

I DO wonder why you would imagine that two very different signs, coming over 7 years apart, could possibly be the same sign.

Here is a merger of Matthew 24 with the seals, and other timing verses. I believe this follows the scriptural chronology of these events.

Rev. 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
(This is the church sent out with the gospel.)
Rev. 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
Mat. 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
(Above is the church sent out. Below, seals 2-4 is the Devil's attempts to stop the church.)

Rev. 6:3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
Rev. 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
Mat. 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Rev. 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
Rev. 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Mat. 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

Rev. 6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

Rev. 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. 
 Mat. 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

(These three, the Red horse with a sword, the black horse bringing hunger, and the pale horse bringing death by pestilence and wild beasts, ride together, while the white horse and rider rides alone.)

Rev. 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev. 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev. 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Mat. 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Mat. 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
(This is the first mention of the end. The church age ENDS with the Rapture. Immediately following the rapture, God begins His wrath.)

(Rapture here, just before wrath.)

Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come.
Rev. 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev. 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev. 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev. 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev. 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev. 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

(Above is the start of the Day of the Lord, with the sign of total eclipses. Below, the official beginning of the 70th week of Daniel)
Rev 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
Rev. 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
(Jesus jumps over the first half and begins at the midpoint)

Revelation 7:15 And the 7th trumpet sounded. (This is the midpoint)
Mat. 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Mat. 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat. 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat. 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat. 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat. 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat. 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Mat. 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
(This is the end of the 70th week, the 7th vial)
Rev. 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
(Below is some unknown time after the above)

Joel 3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

Mat. 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

Mat. 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mat. 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 
(How can this be Paul's rapture when the rapture  has already happened over 7 years previous to this time?
Rev. 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev. 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev. 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev. 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Joel 3:16 The Lord also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; (This shows Jesus is back on earth.)

(The above is Christ coming to Armageddon. I believe heaven will be emptied of saints, as all the saints, OT and NT will come with Jesus.)

This is the way I read these scriptures.

[iamlamad]

13 hours ago, not an echo said:

Concerning your last sentence, let's do that.  Jesus' first use of the word which is often translated "tribulation" is in the following verse, from Matthew 24...

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted (Gk. thlipsis), and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for My name's sake.

Not only is this Jesus' first use of the word that has been transliterated "thlipsis",  but it is the exact same Greek word He used, with the same inflection, as what He spoke in verse 29, translated "tribulation".  Consider from the Textus Receptus the word that I have in bold in verse 9...

9 τότε παραδώσουσιν ὑμᾶς εἰς θλῖψιν καὶ ἀποκτενοῦσιν ὑμᾶς καὶ ἔσεσθε μισούμενοι ὑπὸ πάντων τῶν ἐθνῶν διὰ τὸ ὄνομά μου

and then in verse 29

29  Εὐθέως δὲ μετὰ τὴν θλῖψιν τῶν ἡμερῶν ἐκείνων ὁ ἥλιος σκοτισθήσεται καὶ ἡ σελήνη οὐ δώσει τὸ φέγγος αὐτῆς καὶ οἱ ἀστέρες πεσοῦνται ἀπὸ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ καὶ αἱ δυνάμεις τῶν οὐρανῶν σαλευθήσονται

If you like exactness, you cannot get any more exact than this.  However, this is not quite the case with what He spoke in verse 21.  Consider...

21  ἔσται γὰρ τότε θλῖψις μεγάλη οἵα οὐ γέγονεν ἀπ᾽ ἀρχῆς κόσμου ἕως τοῦ νῦν οὐδ οὐ μὴ γένηται

Not only this, but of what He spoke in verse 21, He used the qualifier transliterated "megas",  or "μεγάλη",  the word following what I have in bold in verse 21.  Got it?

Now, I submit that if we had been sitting at Jesus' feet during His Olivet Discourse, we would not have so easily mistaken the "θλῖψιν" that He spoke in verse 29 for the "θλῖψις μεγάλη" that He spoke of in verse 21, but our minds would have went to the "θλῖψιν" that He spoke of in verse 9---just a couple of minutes prior.  Only thing is, we were not there.  But John was, and he also received The Revelation.  Moreover, what John heard Jesus speak of in Matthew 24:29-31, he saw the fulfillment of after the 6th Seal was opened.  When you see what I am talking about iamlamad, you won't ever be able to unsee it.  You have my word on it.

I see your point,  thlipsis in both verses.  I disagree with your theory about it.  Follow "those days" of thlipsis and it damages your theory.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

I am convinced the intent of the Author, the Holy Spirit, is that "those days" in verse 29 refers back to "those days" in verse 19, "those days" in verse 22, and all refer back to "then shall be great tribulation..." which refers back to verse 15.  When is "then?" It is at the midpoint - the time of the abomination. The "then" of verse 23 and 21 also refer back to verse 15.

I see no reason to skip "those days" and refer back to church age in verse 9. I would never write in that manner. I believe Matthew was very Chronological. Therefore, there must be some outside reasons, outside of the Matthew text, that has persuaded you.

Mark almost tells us the same story:

17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.

19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:

22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

Verse 24 is different.