Ok, ACTS 4:11 PROVES that Peter is NOT "the rock" and, in fact, he said so himself

[Selah7]

I’m doing some research.

In Greek, "Peter" is "petros," which symbolizes a moveable rock, whereas "rock" is "petra," which symbolizes an immovable rock. Therefore, it may be said that Peter was a "chip off the old Rock."

petros, pet'-ros, Greek 4074; apparently a primary word; a (piece of) rock (larger than Greek 3037 (lithos)); as a name, Petrus, an apostle :- Peter, rock. Compare Greek 2786 (Kephas).

petra, pet'-ra, Greek 4073; feminine of the same as Greek 4074 (Petros); a (mass of) rock (literal or figurative) :- rock.

It is written in the Book of John that Jesus changed Simon the son of Jona's name to "Cephas" which is interpreted as Peter—petros.

He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but My Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

- Matthew 16:15-18 (KJV)

[Not of the World]

4 minutes ago, Selah7 said:

I’m doing some research.

In Greek, "Peter" is "petros," which symbolizes a moveable rock, whereas "rock" is "petra," which symbolizes an immovable rock. Therefore, it may be said that Peter was a "chip off the old Rock."

petros, pet'-ros, Greek 4074; apparently a primary word; a (piece of) rock (larger than Greek 3037 (lithos)); as a name, Petrus, an apostle :- Peter, rock. Compare Greek 2786 (Kephas).

petra, pet'-ra, Greek 4073; feminine of the same as Greek 4074 (Petros); a (mass of) rock (literal or figurative) :- rock.

It is written in the Book of John that Jesus changed Simon the son of Jona's name to "Cephas" which is interpreted as Peter—petros.

He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but My Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

- Matthew 16:15-18 (KJV)

I'll get back on this.  I have to go to sleep.  It's 5:39 AM in Florida.  

[Selah7]

5 minutes ago, Not of the World said:

Why did Jesus change Simon's name to "Peter" and, historically speaking, what is the significance of God changing someone's name?  Jesus changed his name from Simon to "rock", correct?  Did Jesus essentially anoint Peter to join his exclusive club of being a "rock"?  If not, then why the change in name?

Because the Father Himself revealed the truth to Peter:

He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. "And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

- Matthew 16:15-18 (NKJV)

[Mr. M]

1 hour ago, Not of the World said:

Why did Jesus change Simon's name to "Peter" and, historically speaking, what is the significance of God changing someone's name?  Jesus changed his name from Simon to "rock", correct?  Did Jesus essentially anoint Peter to join his exclusive club of being a "rock"?  If not, then why the change in name?

There is an element of foreshadowing here with both the name change, and the stone motif as well.

Revelation 2:17 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

To him who overcomes I will give some of the hidden manna to eat. And I will give him a white stone,

and on the stone a new name written which no one knows except him who receives it.

The stone represents the permanence of every promise for the one who overcomes,

that inherit eternal life.

 

Revelation 21:7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things,

and I will be his God and he shall be My son.

2 Corinthians 1:

20 For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us. 

21 Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God, 

22 who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

The stone is not a common rock, put a precious stone, a gem-stone.

Malachi 3:17 And they shall be mine, saith the Lord of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels;

and I will spare them, as a man spares his own son that serves him.

Zechariah 9:16 And the Lord their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people:

for they shall be as the stones of a crown (jewels), lifted up as an ensign upon his land.

So why the change, you ask? It would seem that our name written in the Lamb's

book of Life is not the One given to us by our parents.

1 Corinthians 15:

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;

nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 

51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 

52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound,

and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 

54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality,

then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

Hebrews 6:

11 And we desire that each one of you show the same diligence to the full assurance of hope until the end, 

12 that you do not become sluggish, but imitate those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

I would now speak more generally and say that the biggest stumbling block that I have observed

for discipleship is the tendency to employ 'worldly wisdom', i.e. conventional academic study

methods, which tries to break everything down topically rather than see the revelation of

One Truth In Christ.

Acts 20:27 For I have not avoided declaring to you the whole counsel of God.

[Dennis1209]

I agree, but as Paul Harvey said, “now, the rest of the story.” I suspect there is much more than meets the eye here to consider.

Matthew 16:18 (KJV) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Rather than espouse a long narrative of my thoughts, I will ask some questions. Who, what, where, and why to consider for the big picture:

·         Who were the only four there, and why not thirteen?

·         What was there at that exact spot when Jesus spoke the above that is still there today?

·         What did the Jews believe about the history of that location?

·         What occurred at this exact location?

·         Where were Jesus’s feet touching when He said this?

When those questions are answered, we get a better insight.

[Waggles]

Matthew 16:13  Now when Jesus came into the parts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Who do men say that the Son of man is? 
14  And they said, Some say John the Baptist; and some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. 
15  He saith to them, But who say YE that I am? 
16  And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 
17  And Jesus answered and said to him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jonah: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in the heavens. 
18  And I also say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. 
19  I will give thee the keys of the kingdom of the heavens; and whatever thou shalt bind on the earth shall be bound in the heavens; and whatever thou shalt loose on the earth shall be loosed in the heavens. 
20  Then charged he the disciples that they should tell no one that he is the Christ.

21  From then on began Jesus Christ to show his disciples, that he must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and the third day be raised.

Upon this rock = upon this revelation of who I am

1Corinthians 10:4  and did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of a spiritual rock that followed them: now the rock was the Christ.

Edited November 19, 2022 by Waggles

[Waggles]

6 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Rather than espouse a long narrative of my thoughts, I will ask some questions. Who, what, where, and why to consider for the big picture:

·         Who were the only four there, and why not thirteen?

·         What was there at that exact spot when Jesus spoke the above that is still there today?

·         What did the Jews believe about the history of that location?

·         What occurred at this exact location?

·         Where were Jesus’s feet touching when He said this?

When those questions are answered, we get a better insight.

Luke 9:28  And it came to pass about eight days after these words, he took with him Peter and John and James, and went up into the mountain to pray.
29  And as he was praying, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment white, dazzling. 
30  And lo, two men talked with him, who were Moses and Elijah;

Cæsarea Philippi, Mount Hermon, Bashan, traditionally the gates of the underworld where satan is imprisoned - the tribe of Dan occupied the most northern area of Israel above the Sea of Chinnereth [Galilee in NT]

Psalm 22:12  Many bulls encompass me; strong bulls of Bashan surround me; 
22:13  they open wide their mouths at me, like a ravening and roaring lion. 

The transfiguration - Jesus revealing himself as the Son of the MOST HIGH God - the Son of Man - what he had come down to Earth to accomplish spiritually - to destroy the works of satan

Mark 5:7  And crying out with a loud voice, he [Legion] said, “What have you to do with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I adjure you by God, do not torment me.” 
Mar 5:8  For he was saying to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”

Mount Hermon the mountain that the spring of water gushes out from to become the river Jordan.

Rev 22:1  Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb

Edited November 19, 2022 by Waggles

[Dennis1209]

11 minutes ago, Waggles said:

Luke 9:28  And it came to pass about eight days after these words, he took with him Peter and John and James, and went up into the mountain to pray.
29  And as he was praying, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment white, dazzling. 
30  And lo, two men talked with him, who were Moses and Elijah;

Cæsarea Philippi, Mount Hermon, Bashan, traditionally the gates of the underworld where satan is imprisoned - the tribe of Dan occupied the most northern area of Israel above the Sea of Chinnereth [Galilee in NT]

Psalm 22:12  Many bulls encompass me; strong bulls of Bashan surround me; 
22:13  they open wide their mouths at me, like a ravening and roaring lion. 

The transfiguration - Jesus revealing himself as the Son of the MOST HIGH God - the Son of Man - what he had come down to Earth to accomplish spiritually - to destroy the works of satan

Mark 5:7  And crying out with a loud voice, he [Legion] said, “What have you to do with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I adjure you by God, do not torment me.” 
Mar 5:8  For he was saying to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”

Mount Hermon the mountain that the spring of water gushes out from to become the river Jordan.

Rev 22:1  Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb

Someone has studied. 

[Not of the World]

14 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

What was there at that exact spot when Jesus spoke the above that is still there today?

A rock?

[Your closest friendnt]

Mathew 16:18

That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 

Mathew 16:18 Greek NT: RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005
Κἀγὼ δέ σοι λέγω, ὅτι σὺ εἴ Πέτρος, καὶ ἐπὶ ταύτῃ τῇ πέτρᾳ οἰκοδομήσω μου τὴν ἐκκλησίαν, καὶ πύλαι ᾍδου οὐ κατισχύσουσιν αὐτῆς

* Jesus had a plan for Peter, whose name was Simon, and continue to be Simon, he was born Simon and he die Simon. But he was also Known as Peter because this is what Jesus called him and that's how he was known in the Christian community. 

Jesus knew that he was the Corner Stone "the foundation stone" of God's house and we are the stones that make up the building of God's house. 

Jesus never said that Peter is the Christ the Corner Stone, the foundation of God's Spiritual house. 

Jesus pointed to something that will happen later on, after his resurrection and we see that beginning to happen in the day of Penticost...

Where the Gospel was preached first in Jerusalem to the Jews and to other Israelites. 

Those are the first believers and there were only Jews and from all the other tribes of Israel...

The church began beginning with the preaching of Peter.

And the disciples including Peter remained in Jerusalem and they were only believing that the Gospel was for the Jews-and other Israelites only...proselytes but not purebred Gentiles, which was a BIG NO NO, at the time till Jesus did something to make Peter go to purebred Gentiles to the Roman Cornelius and his family and the Holy Spirit took over Peter to say words that he and the other disciples had never had said before. 

Peter while he was inside the Cornelius house which it is important to emphasize that Peter had entered the house of Cornelius the Roman Gentile. 

When Peter said to them that Jesus died for the forgiveness of their sins also, and not just for the Jews and Israelites the Holy Ghost fell upon Cornelius family in the same way as it fell upon the disciples in the day of Penticost.  

That day Peter was used to preached the good news of the Gospel to uncircumcised Gentiles as he was inside their house. 

What Jesus had said to Peter in Mathew 16:18 was fulfilled that day, Peter had put the foundation of the church of Jesus Christ...that consists of both Jews and Gentiles as they are that shows that they are no decisions between the two or that God had cleansed the Gentiles in the time Jesus Christ died on the Cross... at the time Jesus shed his blood and died on the Cross God removed the acrobistia from the world, the whole world...on both those who were alive and from everyone who had died before without any prejudice to anyone in the world...God had cleansed the world the old is gone, the New has come, there is only the New man in the world, as he is he can believe in Jesus and his faith is accepted. 

The acrobistia has been removed from the whole world and everyone is in his own situation...

There is only pollution in the world...

Edited November 20, 2022 by Your closest friendnt