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[farouk]

13 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Blessings Sparks

Well you really cannot categorize what type of training" the police " have as there is not set curriculum throughout the USA,it varies from State to State,City,County and/or Agency

I can't say much about this millennium ( lol) but decades ago after you took an entrance exam if you scored high you are hired immediately ( pending) only upon meeting the physical agility requirements - if you pass that you start the Academy and the training is intense,it is but 6 months but I never knew any fellow officer that did not enroll in the extensive firearm programs that are available to every police officer- no matter your detail.... If you have an exemplary record for 3 yrs you can qualify for mounted unit or motorcycle( and than your weapons training is far & behind- it's superlative training

But to my understanding outside the 5 Burroughs was a breeze- city cops train hard

Anyway,just thought I'd add that since the discussion was about " cops".... Thanks👍

 

Hi @kwikphilly ....And you indeed know more than a lot of ppl about police training....

[Sparks]

47 minutes ago, The_Patriot21 said:

That's more training then the vast majority of the public, and every cop I know and I know a lot, train regularly. And like I said...bullet proof vest and backup. If I had a partner with a gun watching my back I'd be more likely to hesitate to. so....again non starter. Argument is completely mute.

It's not really a non-starter.  If you could just accept that every situation is different then you and I would suddenly be on the same page.

As I said, some cops are well trained.  Most are not. 

[other one]

8 minutes ago, Sparks said:

Most are not. 

Those are generally the ones that die.

[Sparks]

3 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

Blessings Sparks

Well you really cannot categorize what type of training" the police " have as there is not set curriculum throughout the USA,it varies from State to State,City,County and/or Agency

I can't say much about this millennium ( lol) but decades ago after you took an entrance exam if you scored high you are hired immediately ( pending) only upon meeting the physical agility requirements - if you pass that you start the Academy and the training is intense,it is but 6 months but I never knew any fellow officer that did not enroll in the extensive firearm programs that are available to every police officer- no matter your detail.... If you have an exemplary record for 3 yrs you can qualify for mounted unit or motorcycle( and than your weapons training is far & behind- it's superlative training

But to my understanding outside the 5 Burroughs was a breeze- city cops train hard

Anyway,just thought I'd add that since the discussion was about " cops".... Thanks👍

In general, if a police officer is doing the right thing, there is nothing better.  I always greet them kindly, am polite and would help them if I could.  That is to say, I generally respect police and support them, but I don't think much of the militarized training which does not seem to vary from state to state since about 2007. 

As a side note, I also think they should drop using Civil Asset Forfeiture (actual theft), Equitable Sharing (sharing the profits of their theft with other forces), Parallel Construction (lying about the origins of information they illegally obtained), the Reed Technique (often causes people to confess to crimes they didn't commit due to high pressure, and lying), and other dishonest methods.  The US Supreme Court should have never allowed police to lie as a part of their job assignment.  Thanks to the Patriot Act, now everyone has a swat team, including NASA, the IRS, and other agencies that should pretty much stick to writing letters. 

Prior to June of 1878, officials noticed that anytime they invited the military to help out in domestic matters like chasing down someone who stole some bubble gum, the thief always seemed to end up dead.  People who didn't even have a trial were often blown to smithereens and there were always a few smoking cannons nearby.  Officials learned the hard way that the military had no role in domestic matters of peace keeping because their training was too deadly, so they came up with the Posse Comitatus Act to prevent them from participating in things like posses.  Later, Obama bypassed this Act by militarizing police, making them the de-facto street military along with the same problems the real military had with domestic matters back in the 1800s.  

I wonder if I am one of the few that noticed this?

I don't think that militarized tactics is the right training for 'law enforcement' today, and they don't need to be using military surplus machines.  They need to go back to better training methods, prior to 2007.  If you cut out the training they were once excellent at, which was deescalation, you don't have much in the way of peace keeping any longer.  You just have law enforcement which actually has no obligation to protect you.  This is why states are moving back to Constitutional Carry, to allow you to protect yourself knowing no officials have that obligation (the rare exception in which they must is if you are in their custody).  

I think it would have been neat to be a cop, as you were.  That's certainly a good achievement, but know that I have a different kind of observation than some, and I think their training is going the wrong way, with good reason.

[Sparks]

39 minutes ago, other one said:

Those are generally the ones that die.

Yes.  Some do, sadly. 

[missmuffet]

I agree police officers do not get enough training. It focuses more training on certain areas such as fire arms and not enough training in other areas. 

[kwikphilly]

3 hours ago, Sparks said:

In general, if a police officer is doing the right thing, there is nothing better.  I always greet them kindly, am polite and would help them if I could.  That is to say, I generally respect police and support them, but I don't think much of the militarized training which does not seem to vary from state to state since about 2007. 

As a side note, I also think they should drop using Civil Asset Forfeiture (actual theft), Equitable Sharing (sharing the profits of their theft with other forces), Parallel Construction (lying about the origins of information they illegally obtained), the Reed Technique (often causes people to confess to crimes they didn't commit due to high pressure, and lying), and other dishonest methods.  The US Supreme Court should have never allowed police to lie as a part of their job assignment.  Thanks to the Patriot Act, now everyone has a swat team, including NASA, the IRS, and other agencies that should pretty much stick to writing letters. 

Prior to June of 1878, officials noticed that anytime they invited the military to help out in domestic matters like chasing down someone who stole some bubble gum, the thief always seemed to end up dead.  People who didn't even have a trial were often blown to smithereens and there were always a few smoking cannons nearby.  Officials learned the hard way that the military had no role in domestic matters of peace keeping because their training was too deadly, so they came up with the Posse Comitatus Act to prevent them from participating in things like posses.  Later, Obama bypassed this Act by militarizing police, making them the de-facto street military along with the same problems the real military had with domestic matters back in the 1800s.  

I wonder if I am one of the few that noticed this?

I don't think that militarized tactics is the right training for 'law enforcement' today, and they don't need to be using military surplus machines.  They need to go back to better training methods, prior to 2007.  If you cut out the training they were once excellent at, which was deescalation, you don't have much in the way of peace keeping any longer.  You just have law enforcement which actually has no obligation to protect you.  This is why states are moving back to Constitutional Carry, to allow you to protect yourself knowing no officials have that obligation (the rare exception in which they must is if you are in their custody).  

I think it would have been neat to be a cop, as you were.  That's certainly a good achievement, but know that I have a different kind of observation than some, and I think their training is going the wrong way, with good reason.

I cannot comment on current training or the corruption you mentioned( which sums it all up imo- it's corrupt,period )

Working in Manhattan we certainly didn't have the time to go after a bubble gum theft,lol

To protect & to serve is that's what we pledged to do and did.The Mounted units " presence" served as a visual deterrent,we didn't hide behind bushes or in the trees( I worked Central Park) at that time " billboarding was not legal" and as it should be imo because  deterrents prevents crime.As they say" an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"

Times have changed but let's face it,it's all about money,revenue.... There's not much money or room for anyone to line their pockets by preventing crime!And now this is way off Topic, isn't it!

 

When I first started NYPD issuef .38 revolvers - period! I felt like I was on a suicide mission with that little pea shooter since thugs were using .357's & 9mm's back then -thank goodness for my 1200 lb weapon! meanwhile every good citizen in NYC cannot possess a handgun!Back to gun control,it hasn't done any good in NY and it doesn't matter how strict the laws are- it's easier to buy a gun out in the streets of NYC than it is to walk into a gunshop here in Florida where it's legal!

In my City in Florida we have a private PD.It is not part of unicorporated County so Sheriff's Dept does not have jurisdiction.. This PD is still committed to protect and to serve but that's because it's a high income affluent City,very high taxes..... It's all about $$$ in this world we live in

Edited November 30, 2022 by kwikphilly
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[Rick-Parker]

22 hours ago, JimmyB said:

Donald Trump is not the President.  He was President once, but no longer, so he doesn't deserve the title in front of his name.

Once again where do you live in the Tampa Bay area?  I don't want your address.  I used to live in Lutz.

All past presidents carry the title of President before their name.

I live in New Port Richey.

[JimmyB]

7 minutes ago, Rick-Parker said:

All past presidents carry the title of President before their name.

I live in New Port Richey.

They do not carry the title of President before their name.  President Obama?  President Bush? President Carter?   Sorry, but what you say isn't the case.

[Sparks]

10 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

I cannot comment on current training or the corruption you mentioned( which sums it all up imo- it's corrupt,period )

The current training methods are what I am commenting about.  Police, this year-to-date, have killed 1054 people, or roughly 3 per day.  With 31 days remaining, we are due another 93 people being killed before the years end.  Three deaths are due today.  I think this is a direct result of the militarized training police are getting today, just like the problems they had in the 1800s.

If you were carrying a .38 during your service, its very likely you were trained differently; better trained.  Those were better times.