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On 12/19/2022 at 11:57 PM, Revelation Man said:

Think of this as God showing us a figurative Seven Headed Beast over Israel's whole history of wickedness in which she turned from her God unto false gods, thus God used these 7 powers to bring her unto repentance. 

Agree with the historical view of the historical kingdoms.

On 12/19/2022 at 11:57 PM, Revelation Man said:

7.) The Coming Anti-Christ will soon conquer Israel and Jerusalem. We know he's a man because Dan. 7:11 tells us the Beasts BODY is destroyed and he is cast into hellfire. Rev. 19:20 tells us the Beast and False Prophet are cast into hellfire.

"We know he's a man because...the Beasts BODY is destroyed" " is a false assumption. Fallen angels took upon themselves physical bodies. The Beast is such a fallen angel, the "king/angel of the Abyss" of Rev. 9:11. Not a demon, as you wrote. An angel, having been cast into the Abyss during the Flood, therefore "was, and is not [present], and shall ascend out of the Abyss, and go to perdition [the lake of fire]." Rev. 17:8 Men were not cast into the Abyss, according to the record of Enoch; only the rebellious angels who set themselves up as gods on earth, taking physical forms and procreating offspring by means of human women.

 


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On 12/21/2022 at 1:27 PM, WilliamL said:

"We know he's a man because...the Beasts BODY is destroyed" " is a false assumption. Fallen angels took upon themselves physical bodies. The Beast is such a fallen angel, the "king/angel of the Abyss" of Rev. 9:11. Not a demon, as you wrote. An angel, having been cast into the Abyss during the Flood, therefore "was, and is not [present], and shall ascend out of the Abyss, and go to perdition [the lake of fire]." Rev. 17:8 Men were not cast into the Abyss, according to the record of Enoch; only the rebellious angels who set themselves up as gods on earth, taking physical forms and procreating offspring by means of human women.

Reread Rev.17, he was over the 5 who fell, thus Apollyon the Destroyer was over Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and Greece who had fallen. He was over Rome who WAS and he will be released at the First Woe and he will be over the Anti-Christ. But this doesn't mean he posses a man per se, he posses a region. In Dan. 10, when Michael was resisted for 21 days, that was Apollyon. 

Some Demons posses people, many however posses regions/lands, they are given strongholds as Paul says, they are principalities and powers over regions.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

The weaker demons posses people, those like Satan rule from afar, a higher power. Jesus gave us an example of how not only do those who have Demon's cast out can be repossessed, but so can a whole generation who are freed.

Matt. 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

So, Johnathan Cahn has written a book how we, the Western Civilization were freed by the Gospel. He shows how the very same Demons that possessed Babylon, Greece, Egypt and Rome were cast out by the Gospel in the Western Civilizations, but now they have seen an empty house so to speak America (Europe long ago thus Hitlers rise) has kicked God out of the culture/schools, public square, so these demons who were cast out of our culture by the gospel are now returning. Molech stole the kids, look at our kids now !! They are being brainwashed and sexualized before our very eyes. Abortion on demand = the old Sacrifices to these gods. They were very, very big on the Transexual agenda, they had one god who was not a man nor a woman god but a transition god (no joke). Since we kicked God out, these Demons started flooding back in. Everything going on today we can see from PAGAN PRACTICES 2000 plus years ago. 

Watch a video, its 2 hours but Cahn's only on for 1 hour, you will not need to buy the book (I'm going to) he covers it in full detail really. On Youtube type in.

Dark Trinity: The Return of the GODS with Jonathan Chan. 

It will floor you. Gave me a deeper look into what is going on. 

Nice chatting 

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On 12/21/2022 at 11:25 PM, Revelation Man said:

Reread Rev.17, he was over the 5 who fell, this Apollyon the Destroyer was over Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and Greece who had fallen. He was over Rome who WAS an he will be released at the First Woe and he will be over the Anti-Christ. But this doesn't mean he posses a man, he posses a region. In Dan. 10, when Michael was resisted for 21 days, that was Apollyon. 

Rev. 17 does not say that "Apollyon the Destroyer was over Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and Greece who had fallen." At the time of their reigns,

Rev. 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not [present]; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition.

In the same respect, Daniel 10 has no mention at all of Apollyon, who at the time was in the Abyss, having no presence or dominion on earth at all. The spirit that resisted the Lord at that time was "the sar of Persia" (10:13), one of the spiritual rulers over nations.


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3 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Rev. 17 does not say that "Apollyon the Destroyer was over Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and Greece who had fallen." At the time of their reigns,

Rev. 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not [present]; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition.

In the same respect, Daniel 10 has no mention at all of Apollyon, who at the time was in the Abyss, having no presence or dominion on earth at all. The spirit that resisted the Lord at that time was "the sar of Persia" (10:13), one of the spiritual rulers over nations.

I am telling you who it is, if I need to I can prove with scriptures. He was OF THE SEVEN, and is an 8th, no man can be of the 7, only a Demon. Now, who is the Demon is the only question, lets track him down via the scriptures.

The First Woe

Rev. 9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

{{ So, Apollyon is the "King" over the "Bottomless Pit" and he is released at the first woe, which comes just after the First Four Trumps which are all four one event, an Asteroid Impact. }}

So, lets go see who kills the Two-witnesses in Rev. 11 !!

Rev. 11:7 And when they(2 Witnesses) shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

{{ So, this Beast ascends from the Bottomless Pit. Thus Rev. 17 tells us that story. BUT REMEBER, he also has to be a King or as Rev. 17 calls him an 8th King not a part per se of the 7 Headed Beast with 1o horns. Only Apollyon can be King of the Bottomless pit, there can only be ONE KING my brother. }} 

Lets look again at Rev. 17, the Pharisees were learned men but they could not add up that there would be a Messianic King who came as a meek lamb, born in Bethlehem, who would have to suffer and die, because I guess they were looking for a VERSE that told them explicitly who he would be, his name, date of birth, date of death etc. The bible does work that way brother, we have to put it all together, here a little there a little. Lets look at the vision first, what John SAWEST or saw. Its only four verses. This isn't really a part of the proof, but it gives us a HUGE CLUE via the the Scarlet Colored Beast with NO HORNS, huge clue.

Rev. 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman(All False Religious Harlot) sit upon a scarlet coloured beast(Apollyon, I will PROVE it below), full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

{{ NOTICE: This Scarlet Colored Beast just like the Red Dragon of Rev. 12 and the Beast of Rev. 13 has 7 Heads and 10 Horns, this is simply the 7 Kingdoms that were over Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region through the years which were Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome who was still a Beast at the time, and the Coming Anti-Christ Beast who arises to power AMIDST the 10 (Complete Europe......10 represents Completion) thus he is born in the European Union and arises to power. Now notice in Rev. 17 this Scarlet Colored Beast has NO CROWNS mentioned above, that is for a very specific reason !! He is not a human (of course) so he can not have a Kingdom (CROWN) as a part of these 7 Kingdoms, including the E.U. And, he is under Satan the Red Dragon on this earth, thus in the Spirit World he can also have NO CROWNS on this 7 Headed 10 Horned Beast.

NOW WATCH, I will post both the Red Dragon of Rev. 12 and Beast of Rev. 13 and both are depicted as having CROWNS on Kingdoms only they are over.

Rev. 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon(Satan), having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

NOTICE, Satan is over every Kingdom from Egypt, to Rome to the Anti-Christ thus he has CROWNS on the Kingdoms, but we know this is true because Satan in Luke 4 told Jesus he would offer him all the kingdoms of the whole world, which was his, thus he has a CROWN on London, Rome, Hong Kong, L.A., New York etc. etc. and only these 7 are mentioned because only these 7 are Beasts over Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region. That is why the Red Dragon or Satan has a CROWN on the 7 Heads, he is the god of this world, not Apollyon or any other Demon can have a CROWN on this earth, only Satan !!

Rev. 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

NOTICE: the CROWNS are now on only the 10 Crowns because this man is a king (President) over the E.U. and thus 10 simply means COMPLETE Europe reunited but still separate nations as in Iron and Clay, partly strong, France, Germany, Spain etc. maybe England again, and partly weak, so many weak nations, lets write a few, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Cypress, Slovenia etc. etc. So, his CROWNS are real, he's a Human, and he can be nothing else, all Demons are UNDER Satan, thus he is only over the End Time European Union Nation. And he has a MOUTH that blasphemes and he rules for only 42 Months. 

Rev. 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

So, lets now see if we can figure out who the Scarlet Colored Beast is, he is nit the Red Dragon. 

Rev. 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

8 The beast that thou sawest(Scarlet Colored Beast not the Red Dragon here) was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

{{{ So, the Scarlet Colored Beast WAS......IS NOT.......YET IS, he will ascend out of the bottomless pit (who is the king there? Apollyon) so he WAS means he was once a Beast over the 7 Headed 10 Horned region being spoken about (Israel/Mediterranean Sea Region).......He IS NOT means Gd has placed him in the Bottomless Pit for a set time He has determined. Then it tells us HE WILL ASCEND out of the Bottomless Pit. Thus he WAS...IS NOT...YET IS, don't overthink it. This can only be Apollyon, the Destroyer. }}}

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom(ME...Smile). The seven heads are seven mountains(7 Kingdoms not 7 Hills), on which the woman sitteth(False Religion).

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space (42 months this is the Anti-Christ NOT the Scarlet Colored Beast SEE verse 11, it differentiates the two).

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The 7 Heads are 7 Kingdoms which ARISE (mountain) to power and all have False Religion. And there are also 7 Kings [who fall]. It says 5 have already fallen (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia and Greece) ONE IS was referring to Rome who was still in power over the Region in 90ish AD (even though Apollyon had already been placed in the bottomless pit) but of course Rome lost control of Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region eventually, they thus had a king (6th to fall) over them a the time they finally fell.

Then there will be a MAN (King who both ARISES like a Mountain and also FALLS unlike any of the other 6 who all passed their kingdoms on to others, thus they were indeed Beast Kingdoms, but this last beast who never passes his kingdom on is a ONE MAN SHOW, he himself is the end time Beast !! That is what 666 means imho, it is not a mans name, but the number of man, thus imho, this simply means unlike the other 6 this last beast is a MAN or the number of man (666). 

In verse 11 we see the Beast that was, IS NOT, and yet is is the 8th king AND he is of THE SEVEN or of all seven, meaning he was over Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome, is now in the Bottomless Pit, but he will be released at the 1st Woe, thus he will then be over the Anti-Christ as he rules Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region once again. Thus Apollyon (king of the bottomless pit) will have been over all 7 (HE'S OF THE SEVEN) and he will be an 8th King, just not one on this earth. 

Now, who resisted Michael for 21 days if Apollyon was over or OF THE SEVEN? Apollyon, of course. Who kills the Two-witnesses? Apollyon, who is the Destroyer? Apollyon. What was his mission? To destroy Israel was his assignment. 

These things are in the bible, God wants us to use the holy spirit tom put them together, this is my calling of 37 years so yes, I am supposed to be able to understand these things others can't quite see. God has callings for all men. Mine is prophetic understanding

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