Open7 Posted December 11, 2022 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 116 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/10/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 11, 2022 Hi all, been studying Matthew 24 this last week. In verses 42-51 Jesus talks about how we should be ready for his return and living out his will. But what if in the moment he comes, we are slipping up and currently sinning? It says in verse 50-51 the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know and will cut him in pieces and put him with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth I don’t really understand this. If you are saved, and caught sinning, would you not avoid this punishment? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted December 11, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 210 Topics Per Day: 0.36 Content Count: 3,532 Content Per Day: 6.04 Reputation: 2,376 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Share Posted December 11, 2022 40 minutes ago, Open7 said: Hi all, been studying Matthew 24 this last week. In verses 42-51 Jesus talks about how we should be ready for his return and living out his will. But what if in the moment he comes, we are slipping up and currently sinning? It says in verse 50-51 the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know and will cut him in pieces and put him with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth I don’t really understand this. If you are saved, and caught sinning, would you not avoid this punishment? Thanks Believers will not be judged for sin, because the atonement work Jesus did on the cross was perfect and complete. We don't have to ever worry about that fact! However, the passage you cite pertains to being accountable for works done after initial salvation (new birth regeneration). See 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 (below) for one passage explaining this. Quote By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted December 11, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 108 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,830 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 4,821 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Open7 said: ........at an hour he does not know and will cut him in pieces and put him with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth The keyword for you to look at there is the word "hypocrites". Hypocrites were many times synonymous with unbelievers. All "servants" are not faithful. All of humanity is not saved. Edited December 11, 2022 by Jayne 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted December 11, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 210 Topics Per Day: 0.36 Content Count: 3,532 Content Per Day: 6.04 Reputation: 2,376 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Share Posted December 11, 2022 UPDATE: I just saw the question in the title . . . so it's really the same thing - He's not so interested in the sin, as He's made atonement for that so you can fellowship with Him freely regardless. In fact, the best fellowship with Him is taking a sin to Him after you've done it. Then you will really experience His forgiveness and love. What He's looking for more now is what you do with the grace you've already been given. Will you seek Him and do the things He wants you to be faithful in? And those things are not huge and burdensome - He wants you to just be faithful in the few things He specifically tells you to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted December 11, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,995 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,693 Content Per Day: 11.71 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted December 11, 2022 (edited) We all sin. No Christian is perfect. God looks at the heart. You can't fool Him. His judgment of a person's heart is perfect. There are different kind of sins. Edited December 11, 2022 by missmuffet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiards Ball Posted December 12, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,502 Content Per Day: 0.65 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted December 12, 2022 20 hours ago, Open7 said: Hi all, been studying Matthew 24 this last week. In verses 42-51 Jesus talks about how we should be ready for his return and living out his will. But what if in the moment he comes, we are slipping up and currently sinning? It says in verse 50-51 the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know and will cut him in pieces and put him with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth I don’t really understand this. If you are saved, and caught sinning, would you not avoid this punishment? Thanks The question shows a misunderstaning of salvation and assurance. Pray for wisdom here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
com7fy8 Posted December 20, 2022 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 41 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 873 Content Per Day: 0.45 Reputation: 520 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 20, 2022 On 12/11/2022 at 12:23 PM, Open7 said: If you are saved, and caught sinning, would you not avoid this punishment? But are we planning on continuing our sinning, or are we trusting our Heavenly Father to truly correct us so we are loving, instead? Sin has built-in punishment, doesn't it? You don't have to get "caught". It has its own loss and suffering and failure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 21, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,321 Content Per Day: 7.55 Reputation: 28,076 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 21, 2022 On 12/11/2022 at 11:23 AM, Open7 said: I don’t really understand this. If you are saved, and caught sinning, would you not avoid this punishment? If you are sinning, are you really saved?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted December 21, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,995 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,693 Content Per Day: 11.71 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted December 21, 2022 33 minutes ago, other one said: If you are sinning, are you really saved?? We are all sinners oo. You and me and everyone. 1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins past, present and future. We will not be perfect until we get to heaven. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 21, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,707 Content Per Day: 8.03 Reputation: 21,765 Days Won: 77 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 21, 2022 A distinction is our flesh is not redeemed and we will experience war with it till God separates us out from it... Rom 7. However, as we grow s/Spiritually we increase in the ability to reckon our first born self and flesh as dead and the s/Spiritual increase will allow faith that is generated by God's Word to be our practice... to the world we will look foolish, but to God, we will be beautiful as our expression of love reflects the (Love/Holy Spirit) led life... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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