A question that I addressed to Catholic apologists

[Jayne]

17 hours ago, Not of the World said:

If Peter founded the Roman Catholic Church and if the RCC is the TRUE church of God, then can it be said that churches created by other apostles were/are NOT of God?  

What are your thoughts?

Well,  you did ask what my thoughts were.

Is this the first post you have ever made on that Catholic forum?  If not, your other posts there may give some insights as to how they perceive you.

I certainly don't want you to leave here. Please don't.

I'll be honest as a non-Catholic.  The question you posed is a little bit snarky.

It's obvious by the question you posed that you don't believe Peter established the RCC, you don't believe the RCC is the true church, and you believe that other Christians churches ARE of God.

I believe as you do.

But I would have posed the question differently.  "What do you believe about early churches not established by Peter?"

Understand that they banned you because they felt challenged in a negative way.  It's the owners' rights to ban whomever they please.  

Please don't leave Worthy.

 

 

 

[farouk]

3 minutes ago, Jayne said:

Well,  you did ask what my thoughts were.

Is this the first post you have ever made on that Catholic forum?  If not, your other posts there may give some insights as to how they perceive you.

I certainly don't want you to leave here. Please don't.

I'll be honest as a non-Catholic.  The question you posed is a little bit snarky.

It's obvious by the question you posed that you don't believe Peter established the RCC, you don't believe the RCC is the true church, and you believe that other Christians churches ARE of God.

I believe as you do.

But I would have posed the question differently.  "What do you believe about early churches not established by Peter?"

Understand that they banned you because they felt challenged in a negative way.  It's the owners' rights to ban whomever they please.  

Please don't leave Worthy.

 

 

 

@Jayne In the end it seems all to be about whether ppl appeal to Scripture rather than tradition, like, according to whom? did this of that happen, is this or that true, etc.

[Retrobyter]

On 12/18/2022 at 8:02 PM, Not of the World said:

 

In reading Matthew 16:18 from your post and the verses below, it sounds like Jesus was referring to Peter as being a part of the rock and NOT the rock itself.  But maybe I am misunderstanding.  

1Peter 2:4  As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, 
5  you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 
6  For it stands in Scripture: “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”

 

Shalom, Not of the World.

One fact that will help, I believe. The Hebrew word for the "rock" there is Keefa' in Hebrew. This was transliterated into Greek and then into English as "Cephas."

John 1:35-42 (KJV)

35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples; 36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith,

"Behold the Lamb of God!"

37 And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus. 38 Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them,

"What seek ye?"

They said unto him,

"Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, "Master,") where dwellest thou?"

39 He saith unto them,

"Come and see."

They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour. 40 One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. 41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him,

"We have found the Messias, (which is, being interpreted, "the Christ")!"

42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said,

"Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas," (which is by interpretation, "A stone").

Strong's Concordance gives us this information:

2786 Keefas (Képhas) Κηφᾶς (kay-fas'). Of Chaldee origin (compare keph); the Rock; Cephas (i.e. Kepha), a surname of Peter:
-- Cephas.

3710 Keef (Keph) (כֵּף) (kafe).  From kaphaph; a hollow rock:
-- rock.

He wasn't just calling him a "rock"; He was calling Peter a GEODE! A geode is hard and plain on the outside, but crack it open and it's a wealth of beautiful crystals inside! Some even contain precious stones, like amethyst (which happens to be the 12th foundation in the New Jerusalem, and the foundations have the names of the apostles within them)! Coincidence? Not likely, I believe.