🎼Signs, signs, Everywhere there are signs...

[Dennis1209]

Paul to Timothy to Our Day

3 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. ² For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, ³ heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, ⁴ treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, ⁵ having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.^[1]

There are so many signs we are living in the tail end of the last days—everything from Matthew 24 to Ezekiel chapters 38 & 39, and everything in between. Above, Paul lists twenty characteristics that will be prevalent “in the last days.” I ask, which ones are not in abundance today and escalating?

Granted, they go back to antiquity, but never before to such a degree as has occurred in my lifetime. A book could be written on these twenty descriptions individually, but I want to mention the first one, difficult or perilous times, briefly.

We now see an intentional and concerted effort to starve the world into submission and control, using climate change as an excuse. Instead of trying to alleviate human suffering, coal, fertilizer, fuel, pipelines, and transportation is being dismantled globally. Governments are buying up farmland to prevent farming, fertilizer use is restricted, and on and on…

There is no debate; the globalists and United Nations want a global population not to exceed 500 million and have an agenda (2030). If they have a stated goal, there must be an initiative and plan to obtain their objective (Build Back Better & the Great Reset). A crisis is needed to initiate a global change, either invented, perceived, or actual. Enter stage right, Covid, jabs, climate change, and famine. Toto, this is not a conspiracy theory anymore.

High inflation is edging its way to hyperinflation: a what, a historic 8.6% COLA for SS, a small fraction of actual inflation. Trillion-dollar spending bills and aid packages given away we cannot afford. The U.S. has long been insolvent and is bankrupt but keeps the party going. It appears the riders of the red and black horses are mounting up.

With the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Bear (Russia) is dead, or so it was thought. Again, no debate; Russia has expansionist goals due to its economy and insistence on being a global leader and controlling fossil fuel. They are working their way South; eventually, an evil thought (hook in the jaw) will cross Gog’s mind about Israel’s vast wealth and resources.

Never before has Russia had any presence or interest in the middle east. Now they have a convenient presence in Syria with ports, airstrips, weapons of war, and troops. They are becoming belligerent with Israel, and Russia has threatened to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine and anyone interfering with them.

Russia has never had mutual defense treaties and alliances with the big four of the Gog-Magog alliance, Iran, Turkey, Sudan, and Libya, until recent history.

For brevity, the above is only the tip of the iceberg. I omitted terrorism, other hostile nations and NBC threats, the increase in natural disasters, etc.

I would say the trumpet and shout are closer today than yesterday.

Come, Lord Jesus.

 

 

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^[1] The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles, 2016. Print.

[Marilyn C]

6 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Paul to Timothy to Our Day

3 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. ² For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, ³ heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, ⁴ treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, ⁵ having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.^[1]

There are so many signs we are living in the tail end of the last days—everything from Matthew 24 to Ezekiel chapters 38 & 39, and everything in between. Above, Paul lists twenty characteristics that will be prevalent “in the last days.” I ask, which ones are not in abundance today and escalating?

Granted, they go back to antiquity, but never before to such a degree as has occurred in my lifetime. A book could be written on these twenty descriptions individually, but I want to mention the first one, difficult or perilous times, briefly.

We now see an intentional and concerted effort to starve the world into submission and control, using climate change as an excuse. Instead of trying to alleviate human suffering, coal, fertilizer, fuel, pipelines, and transportation is being dismantled globally. Governments are buying up farmland to prevent farming, fertilizer use is restricted, and on and on…

There is no debate; the globalists and United Nations want a global population not to exceed 500 million and have an agenda (2030). If they have a stated goal, there must be an initiative and plan to obtain their objective (Build Back Better & the Great Reset). A crisis is needed to initiate a global change, either invented, perceived, or actual. Enter stage right, Covid, jabs, climate change, and famine. Toto, this is not a conspiracy theory anymore.

High inflation is edging its way to hyperinflation: a what, a historic 8.6% COLA for SS, a small fraction of actual inflation. Trillion-dollar spending bills and aid packages given away we cannot afford. The U.S. has long been insolvent and is bankrupt but keeps the party going. It appears the riders of the red and black horses are mounting up.

With the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Bear (Russia) is dead, or so it was thought. Again, no debate; Russia has expansionist goals due to its economy and insistence on being a global leader and controlling fossil fuel. They are working their way South; eventually, an evil thought (hook in the jaw) will cross Gog’s mind about Israel’s vast wealth and resources.

Never before has Russia had any presence or interest in the middle east. Now they have a convenient presence in Syria with ports, airstrips, weapons of war, and troops. They are becoming belligerent with Israel, and Russia has threatened to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine and anyone interfering with them.

Russia has never had mutual defense treaties and alliances with the big four of the Gog-Magog alliance, Iran, Turkey, Sudan, and Libya, until recent history.

For brevity, the above is only the tip of the iceberg. I omitted terrorism, other hostile nations and NBC threats, the increase in natural disasters, etc.

I would say the trumpet and shout are closer today than yesterday.

Come, Lord Jesus.

 

 

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^[1] The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles, 2016. Print.

Hi Dennis,

That is a very good read. Thank you for all the detail. Well done.

Marilyn.

[tatwo]

Greetings Dennis1209

I have a bit of a response to your post “Signs, signs, Everywhere there are signs...” three parts actually…I was on a roll.

In your writing above…you address some important topics, ideas; happenings and such…I disagree with nothing and agree that it is well written. You write with clarity…I totally resonate with your statement…”A crisis is needed to initiate a global change, either invented, perceived, or actual.” Information like this…needs to come forth to the Body of Christ and by virtue of the Lord’s pressing us into His prophetic future we will encounter it…perhaps I can explain.

Dennis1209 you are making known a vision of the plans of the enemy…in some detail…I see that. However you end like this… “I would say the trumpet and shout are closer today than yesterday. Come, Lord Jesus.”

While this statement is true…no argument from me…it gives me no detail whatsoever as to its value…do you assume I know what you know…Bro? Perhaps your belief tells you that we are not in tribulation because a certain event has not occurred…or something…yet the events you describe very clearly paint the picture of tribulation on the earth with the idea that it will grow.

After you give us a reasonable picture of “some” of what is currently happening and what looks to be coming…from the darkness…in detail…which looks to me like “tribulation defined”…you then state the obvious…you say “the trumpet and shout is closer today than yesterday”…as a believer in Christ I am really given nothing spiritual…this juxtaposed with the detail given me concerning the darkness…see my point?

It is my experience that the Lord Yahshua gives us the understanding of the prophetic…as a light to walk by…for the day in which we live…indeed I find it essential. He told us…”My own sheep will hear my voice and I know each one, and they will follow me.”

Do “you” think He is simply saying “watch and wait” until He comes to get us before the “tribulation” starts…when conceivably…one might conclude…that what you were actually writing about…”tribulation”…has already begun…in fact we can see crisis “invented, perceived, or actual” upon crisis “invented, perceived, or actual” as it has been…and is right now…and will continue into the future…right?

May I ask you…just how much global tyranny one must see…to understand that the “judgment on humanity”…known as the “tribulation”…(as Yahshua defined)…is actually here…creeping its way across the earth today…trampling…crushing…devouring life as a human…on the earth…in its path?

Of course the pain and sorrow is yet growing…the beginning has come…it has begun…make no mistake about it…like the travail or pain a woman experiences as a child moves its way through the birth canal and then coming forth from the womb…and this travail or pain is in the form of the sorrows that would follow wars, famines economic collapse, pandemic and other catastrophes…and it will not stop until the Lord’s prophetic plan brings it to its end.

Tribulation is defined as…pressure…a narrow place that "hems someone in" or the challenge of coping with the internal pressure that causes someone to feel confined and restricted or "without options" especially when feeling there is "no way of escape." This is exactly what the beast has been doing and is intending to continue do…upon the earth…billions have/are now experiencing this anguish…and it will only grow.

The beast is in the process of revealing just how mature he…as the “son” of Satan really is…he…however is not the only son coming to maturity on the earth today.

Just how many people are experiencing “a complete life shattering tribulation today”…those places in the world that are and have been under the heavy hand of tyranny are experiencing it…as…fear…pain…suffering…hopelessness…death.

However…for the Body of Christ…they have been preparing and are yet being prepared for this day…clothed in the glory of God…at rest before their Father…no fear…ready to give their lives if asked. They…are living through this judgment as is the rest of the world…however…they are the kingdom of God…on earth and they are reconciling men to God and destroying the works of the devil.

The reason they can do this…is because the economy of the kingdom of God on earth affords the Body the protection and provision of everything they need both physically and spiritually…there is not much being said about this these days…I think it is because of a more popular idea…rapture before, or during tribulation.

People seem to forget that creation exists “in God” meaning that God is outside of creation…and that nothing about the Holy Spirit requires anything in creation...to exist.

This is in contrast to what the beast offers in terms of provision and protection…which is based in fear and complete slavery…and those systems are here and operational in more and more places every year. A primary element of that digital gulag is the AI monitored CBDC which is in a complete fury to install itself as supreme controller of humanity…there are more…

to be continued...

[tatwo]

I am constantly reminded of how many American believers do not see that we are well into the tribulation…because they do not realize that most of what we are allowed to see here…is an illusion…and what is actually happening is hidden.

One example…and maybe a bit of a rant…most people do not understand that the Federal Reserve  (Fed) is a privately owned bank and is no more Federal that Federal Express…they are not under the authority of any government or governmental official. Crazy huh…since it is the American taxpayer who is supposed to pay the debt.

The Fed says they are currently raising interest rates to combat inflation…they have been doing this for nearly a year…it has done nothing to cause inflation to reverse course…why?

Because the U.S. government has become totally insane about “deficit spending” so the Fed is continuously “printing” trillions of dollars out of “thin air”…lending it to the U.S. Treasury at interest…and dumping it into the economy…thereby devaluing the currency already in circulation…while at the same time driving the U.S. debt to over $31 trillion…they have done this over and over again…why?

They are simply doing what they were created for…(the Beast from Jekyll island) just like all the central banks around the world…they are devaluing all currencies because they are crashing the global economy…just imagine the human carnage of that event alone!

 Why are they doing that you ask?

This old economic system is now failed completely…that’s why…they are bringing in a new economic system right now…it was started years ago…it’s been in the works for decades…as I said earlier it is the “programmable Central Bank Digital Currency CBDC” as a primary tool for the enslavement of humanity.

We are on the cusp of this Great Reset…it is a conspiracy…totally…however on the way to attempting to become a reality…this controlled crash of the economy is bankrupting millions of Americans. They are losing their homes…losing their jobs…losing their vehicles…losing their insurance…losing the ability to purchase essentials…while inflation rages on!

This is currently a major tribulation of epoch proportions…in this country…and it is growing…it is going to lead to massive devastation…it is fully entrenched at this time working toward its fullest expression…lots of people are dying all along this process today. The complicit main stream media is doing an amazing job of running cover on this scheme as well…so the multitude never really sees it…as it is.

There are a number of these conspiracies occurring simultaneously now…I cannot go into them here and I only use this one to illuminate the reality that they are hidden in plain sight...for generations. This reality that is hidden from many “is” tribulation real time for multitudes of people all over the world like never before…yes it is real…and yes it will get worse…this is what causes the deception that the tribulation has not started and why those who do not see this will be having an experience like a thief coming in the night.

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[tatwo]

So what is the Body of Christ (every tribe, tongue, people and nation) on earth…doing today…they who live in this oppression as well? What is the Lord telling them…to “watch and wait” for His return to rapture them to heaven…while all this crazy demonic activity roams wildly in Satan’s kosmos?

No…for them it was never about that…they are living in their Fathers house…being Loved…cared for and raised to the full stature that belongs to Christ…the Holy Spirit shows them what is to come…they are becoming the mature Son of God who will soon enough be revealed to creation. “This is that” which the entirety of creation…heaven and earth…is standing on tiptoe, yearning to see the unveiling of…God’s glorious Son! Do you see that?

Interestingly…the ones I see on the earth at this time…that are saying “we are safe and secure” are the deceived and delusional who believe the lies of the Satan…and those who believe that the lord is going to “rapture” them “before” the tribulation…which has obviously already well entrenched in the earth.

Of them it has been said…destruction will suddenly strike and they won't escape…all the while believing they are safe…because the former…never believed…and the later have not prepared according to the prophetic Word of God…they are “waiting and watching.”

As for the rest of humanity on earth…those not yet completely under the spell of the totality of the all encompassing beast system…and those whom comprise the living Temple of God itself…they can clearly see the calamity that has come upon the entire earth…as it is playing out…as more and more humans are falling prey to the beast each and every day…this is because of the brutal reality of Satan’s deception and things such as you wrote Dennis…and more.

That which the Lord Yahshua defined as the “beginning of tribulation” has begun…it has indeed brought the initial pain and sorrow of a woman in labor…upon the earth today…and will continue to do so increasingly as the future rolls out…exactly as prophesied by the Lord Yahshua.

Ask yourselves this…did the Lord lead Israel out of Egypt into the promise land “before” He poured His wrath upon the Egypt? You know that He did not…in fact they were in the Pharaoh’s area for the first three plagues…then in Goshen for the final 7 plagues…and those who did not apply the “blood of the unblemished lamb” to the door posts…even in Goshen…saw the death of their first born. My point is that the Lord showed that He will protect His own even when He is pouring out His wrath.

In the case that you did not realize this…the “maturation of the fullness of Christ as Head and Body”…is happening here on earth today…to bring all that God had intended for creation to its deliberate end…and God’s original intention for the created heavens and earth was simply to bring forth a “man” in His image and likeness.

This is a spiritual man…a corporate man made up of the Head (Yahshua) and the rest of His Body…which is people from every tribe, tongue, and nation…we are in every respect growing up into him who is the head…Christ…we will reach full manhood, and the standard of maturity set by the Messiah's perfection…at that time creation will receive what is has been eagerly groaning for…the revelation of the Sons of God.

We will see the climax of the end of creation…heaven and earth…it will play out as the full maturity of the seed of the serpent wages war with the fully mature seed of the woman…in an all out battle to prove who is God…the outcome is not uncertain at all…when it is all said and done…the glorious Son of God will emerge unscathed…firmly seated on the throne of eternity…prepared to move on to the next age…

So…back to the beginning…since it was not clear to me what you meant by saying “the trumpet and the shout are closer today than yesterday…come Lord Jesus” if it was in reference to a rapture…you and anyone who believes like you are not prepared for these coming times Dennis…your house is on fire…I urge you to consider the word of the Lord that I have brought to you here…while there is still time…this is a clarion call to repentance…if you can receive it.

If that was not your reference…maybe you would care to explain what you mean by referencing the signs of darkness in relationship to the trumpet and the shout verses telling us what the Lord is saying to His family? If you do not know what the word of the Lord is for today…perhaps I can be of assistance.

Tatwo…:)

[Marilyn C]

47 minutes ago, tatwo said:

 

 

Do “you” think He is simply saying “watch and wait” until He comes to get us before the “tribulation” starts…when conceivably…one might conclude…that what you were actually writing about…”tribulation”…has already begun…in fact we can see crisis “invented, perceived, or actual” upon crisis “invented, perceived, or actual” as it has been…and is right now…and will continue into the future…right?

May I ask you…just how much global tyranny one must see…to understand that the “judgment on humanity”…known as the “tribulation”…(as Yahshua defined)…is actually here…creeping its way across the earth today…trampling…crushing…devouring life as a human…on the earth…in its path?

 

Hi tatwo,

Some good reading there in your comments. Now, I would like to add that God`s word tells us WHEN the tribulation actually starts. God will put `hooks in the jaws` of the Russian Federation and bring them down to the mountains of Israel, (Golan Heights) and deals with them (& the other nations with them) there. That is the beginning of the Day of the Lord, (which continues through the trib, & millennium) (Ez. 38,  Joel 2)

Then there will be a space till a Peace Negotiator makes a Treaty with Israel. That is then the start of the tribulation of God`s judgment upon the rebellious and finally the deliverance of Israel.

Note: the Body of Christ will be gathered together BEFORE the Day of the Lord, BEFORE the Russian Federation attacks Israel. (Joel 2.)

The Body of Christ will go to its place to rule with the Lord on His own throne, judging the world system and fallen angels. (1 Cor. 6: 2 & 3)

Marilyn.

[R. Hartono]

On 12/26/2022 at 12:13 AM, Dennis1209 said:

Paul to Timothy to Our Day

3 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. ² For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, ³ heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, ⁴ treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, ⁵ having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.^[1]

There are so many signs we are living in the tail end of the last days—everything from Matthew 24 to Ezekiel chapters 38 & 39, and everything in between. Above, Paul lists twenty characteristics that will be prevalent “in the last days.” I ask, which ones are not in abundance today and escalating?

Granted, they go back to antiquity, but never before to such a degree as has occurred in my lifetime. A book could be written on these twenty descriptions individually, but I want to mention the first one, difficult or perilous times, briefly.

We now see an intentional and concerted effort to starve the world into submission and control, using climate change as an excuse. Instead of trying to alleviate human suffering, coal, fertilizer, fuel, pipelines, and transportation is being dismantled globally. Governments are buying up farmland to prevent farming, fertilizer use is restricted, and on and on…

There is no debate; the globalists and United Nations want a global population not to exceed 500 million and have an agenda (2030). If they have a stated goal, there must be an initiative and plan to obtain their objective (Build Back Better & the Great Reset). A crisis is needed to initiate a global change, either invented, perceived, or actual. Enter stage right, Covid, jabs, climate change, and famine. Toto, this is not a conspiracy theory anymore.

High inflation is edging its way to hyperinflation: a what, a historic 8.6% COLA for SS, a small fraction of actual inflation. Trillion-dollar spending bills and aid packages given away we cannot afford. The U.S. has long been insolvent and is bankrupt but keeps the party going. It appears the riders of the red and black horses are mounting up.

With the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Bear (Russia) is dead, or so it was thought. Again, no debate; Russia has expansionist goals due to its economy and insistence on being a global leader and controlling fossil fuel. They are working their way South; eventually, an evil thought (hook in the jaw) will cross Gog’s mind about Israel’s vast wealth and resources.

Never before has Russia had any presence or interest in the middle east. Now they have a convenient presence in Syria with ports, airstrips, weapons of war, and troops. They are becoming belligerent with Israel, and Russia has threatened to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine and anyone interfering with them.

Russia has never had mutual defense treaties and alliances with the big four of the Gog-Magog alliance, Iran, Turkey, Sudan, and Libya, until recent history.

For brevity, the above is only the tip of the iceberg. I omitted terrorism, other hostile nations and NBC threats, the increase in natural disasters, etc.

I would say the trumpet and shout are closer today than yesterday.

Come, Lord Jesus.

 

 

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^[1] The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles, 2016. Print.

Isnt that God duty to rebuke them, where is God ? 

[Dennis1209]

14 hours ago, tatwo said:

Greetings Dennis1209

I have a bit of a response to your post “Signs, signs, Everywhere there are signs...” three parts actually…I was on a roll.

In your writing above…you address some important topics, ideas; happenings and such…I disagree with nothing and agree that it is well written. You write with clarity…I totally resonate with your statement…”A crisis is needed to initiate a global change, either invented, perceived, or actual.” Information like this…needs to come forth to the Body of Christ and by virtue of the Lord’s pressing us into His prophetic future we will encounter it…perhaps I can explain.

Dennis1209 you are making known a vision of the plans of the enemy…in some detail…I see that. However you end like this… “I would say the trumpet and shout are closer today than yesterday. Come, Lord Jesus.”

While this statement is true…no argument from me…it gives me no detail whatsoever as to its value…do you assume I know what you know…Bro? Perhaps your belief tells you that we are not in tribulation because a certain event has not occurred…or something…yet the events you describe very clearly paint the picture of tribulation on the earth with the idea that it will grow.

After you give us a reasonable picture of “some” of what is currently happening and what looks to be coming…from the darkness…in detail…which looks to me like “tribulation defined”…you then state the obvious…you say “the trumpet and shout is closer today than yesterday”…as a believer in Christ I am really given nothing spiritual…this juxtaposed with the detail given me concerning the darkness…see my point?

It is my experience that the Lord Yahshua gives us the understanding of the prophetic…as a light to walk by…for the day in which we live…indeed I find it essential. He told us…”My own sheep will hear my voice and I know each one, and they will follow me.”

Do “you” think He is simply saying “watch and wait” until He comes to get us before the “tribulation” starts…when conceivably…one might conclude…that what you were actually writing about…”tribulation”…has already begun…in fact we can see crisis “invented, perceived, or actual” upon crisis “invented, perceived, or actual” as it has been…and is right now…and will continue into the future…right?

May I ask you…just how much global tyranny one must see…to understand that the “judgment on humanity”…known as the “tribulation”…(as Yahshua defined)…is actually here…creeping its way across the earth today…trampling…crushing…devouring life as a human…on the earth…in its path?

Of course the pain and sorrow is yet growing…the beginning has come…it has begun…make no mistake about it…like the travail or pain a woman experiences as a child moves its way through the birth canal and then coming forth from the womb…and this travail or pain is in the form of the sorrows that would follow wars, famines economic collapse, pandemic and other catastrophes…and it will not stop until the Lord’s prophetic plan brings it to its end.

Tribulation is defined as…pressure…a narrow place that "hems someone in" or the challenge of coping with the internal pressure that causes someone to feel confined and restricted or "without options" especially when feeling there is "no way of escape." This is exactly what the beast has been doing and is intending to continue do…upon the earth…billions have/are now experiencing this anguish…and it will only grow.

The beast is in the process of revealing just how mature he…as the “son” of Satan really is…he…however is not the only son coming to maturity on the earth today.

Just how many people are experiencing “a complete life shattering tribulation today”…those places in the world that are and have been under the heavy hand of tyranny are experiencing it…as…fear…pain…suffering…hopelessness…death.

However…for the Body of Christ…they have been preparing and are yet being prepared for this day…clothed in the glory of God…at rest before their Father…no fear…ready to give their lives if asked. They…are living through this judgment as is the rest of the world…however…they are the kingdom of God…on earth and they are reconciling men to God and destroying the works of the devil.

The reason they can do this…is because the economy of the kingdom of God on earth affords the Body the protection and provision of everything they need both physically and spiritually…there is not much being said about this these days…I think it is because of a more popular idea…rapture before, or during tribulation.

People seem to forget that creation exists “in God” meaning that God is outside of creation…and that nothing about the Holy Spirit requires anything in creation...to exist.

This is in contrast to what the beast offers in terms of provision and protection…which is based in fear and complete slavery…and those systems are here and operational in more and more places every year. A primary element of that digital gulag is the AI monitored CBDC which is in a complete fury to install itself as supreme controller of humanity…there are more…

to be continued...

Good morning tatwo,

First, I want to clarify that these are my views and may not be 100% accurate. Many have alternate ideas on the timing of the Rapture and most other eschatology. I hold a pretribulation view, that is, the harpazo will occur sometime before the start of the “official” tribulation.

For many reasons, I could cite that the children of God are not appointed to the WRATH of God. That is what the tribulation is, the wrath of God being poured out. The purpose of the tribulation is the unveiling of Jesus Christ, to put an end to transgressions, to punish sin, for Israel to realize their transgression and call upon the name of the Lord. A last chance to repent and not spend eternity in Hell. I will address some of your questions and comments in my view, trying to keep it brief. (good luck with that Dennis)

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Christians and the church have been persecuted and had tribulations from the beginning. The Romans, the Jews, the Inquisition and crusades, Islam, and so forth were all tribulations. Today we are witnessing the stage being set for another great persecution on the horizon.

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

The way I read it, Matt. 24:21 is talking about the seven-year tribulation. “For then shall be great tribulation.” When is it, then? Directly preceding, we see the laundry list of things Jesus describes coming upon the world today, like birth pains.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Many believe, including me, this is when the official start of the seven-year tribulation begins. The Antichrist will confirm a covenant with the many of Israel. It has not occurred yet, but the world stage is being set as we are witnessing. It is noteworthy to observe if these Abraham Accords might play a part in this coming agreement and permission to build the tribulation, Temple.

No, I do not believe the seven-year tribulation has begun. We are witnessing the escalating contractions becoming more intense and closer together until the promised delivery. Not to start another debate or argument, but I am confident the church is out of here before God’s wrath begins to pour out.

Quote: Do “you” think He is simply saying “watch and wait” until He comes to get us before the “tribulation” starts…

Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Watch for who and what? The who, Jesus’s return to snatch His bride (harpazo-Rapture). The what, everything building up and climaxing in Matthew chapter 24, indicating that THE tribulation is close at hand.

People IN the Tribulation will be able to count down the second coming of our Lord, setting His feet on the Mount of Olives.

I did not intend for this to get this long. 😊

 

[Dennis1209]

15 hours ago, tatwo said:

So…back to the beginning…since it was not clear to me what you meant by saying “the trumpet and the shout are closer today than yesterday…come Lord Jesus” if it was in reference to a rapture…you and anyone who believes like you are not prepared for these coming times Dennis…your house is on fire…I urge you to consider the word of the Lord that I have brought to you here…while there is still time…this is a clarion call to repentance…if you can receive it.

I intended that we are one day closer to our redemption than yesterday. I think that is common ground with any Christian Rapture view, regardless of when it occurs. I personally truly believe that time is very close.

As I mentioned in my previous post, I hold a pretribulation view that we are not in the tribulation. That short seven-year period will be the worst time ever experienced in history, or ever will be. Can we say or show that is the case at present? I do not think so.

For too many reasons, I do not believe the Lord will protect His own (save 1/3 of the nation of Israel) THROUGH the tribulation.  Did Enoch please the Lord? He was snatched out of the coming judgment. I suspect Enoch is a type and foreshadowing of the harpazo. Noah was not protected through judgment; he was lifted up and above the judgment below him.

Briefly, the traditional Jewish wedding exactly mirrors what we are told about the Rapture, exactly. The betrothal, the down payment, the bride faithfully waiting and watching for the unexpected return of her groom, the groom going to his father’s house and preparing a room addition, the father, when satisfied with the accommodations, telling his son to fetch his bride, the marriage and wedding supper, the five wise, and five foolish virgins, etc.

For me, the preponderance of Biblical evidence points to a pretribulation Rapture. Notice I said me, as others’ mileage will vary, but that is my stance. I am not pushing my view but explaining my own.

1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, [emphasis added]

What is the tribulation, and who are us? It is the wrath of God manifested on the earth-dwellers and sin that have not accepted the Lord Jesus as their Savior in rebellion or on the fence. The greatest harvest of souls ever will occur during this brief period.

These earth-dwellers and converts know exactly where these judgments are coming from.

[tatwo]

Hi Dennis...

Thank you for your time...I do understand your position...clearly. I appreciate your disposition as well...thank you.

The words you use to describe your belief structure do not have the Creators original intention for the created heavens and earth anywhere in view. This suggests that you do not realize His intention for creation...which then puts you at a loss as to what is in the mind of God for any age really...not just the end of this creation.

I will say this...The Creator...Father...spent 5 days in putting creation in place within Himself...on the 6th day...He finished up the "day" with the creation of a "Man" whom He created in His image and likeness. It is safe to say that all of creation was put in place by the Word of God...and held in place by the same...all this...to bring forth and support this "Man of God."

This Man was always present in creation...He existed before creation existed...and at the end of this age...in these days...He will be seen as He has always existed...in the exact manner as Yahshua is...who is the archetypical type and shadow of this Man...as His Head

This Man is known as Christ...Head and Body as "One Man"...clothed in the resplendent glory of eternal God Himself...hair like wool white as snow...eyes of fire...face of lightening...wearing a white robe...held in place by a belt of purified gold...walking on legs and feet of burnished bronze...He speaks with the voice of many waters...possessing the sacrificial nature of The Lamb...the overcoming character of The lion...walking with the steadfastness of an ox...sporting the face of a...Man...soaring like an eagle between eternity and creation...

This concept may be new to you Dennis...you have made it apparent that you have never seen this Man...He posses the Holy Spirit of the living God and as such...He has no requirement for anything in creation to sustain Him...He exists both in creation and is outside of creation...He is seen all throughout the book you call the "word of God"...how did you miss Him?

Again...in all sincerity and seriousness...I suggest to you and all that believe similarly to you...that you abandon this pursuit of darkness...which is a work that will lead to death...humble yourselves and repent and allow the Holy Spirit of the Lord Yahshua (Jesus) to redeem your minds and your time from these doctrines of demons...

If there is anything I can do to introduce you to this Man...I would be willing to do whatever I can.

Tatwo...:)