Did God restore Israel in 1948?

[dad2]

On 5/19/2023 at 5:45 AM, rdclmn72 said:

Dt 30 and Am 9 point to it happening in the end time.

it? What?

[Revelation Man]

13 hours ago, dad2 said:

Oh. God brought them back already? OK so show us the verse about that.

Here for example

Ezekiel 37:23

Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

 

So this says that when it happens they are saved and clean and He is their God. Surely you would not suggest that is the case today?

 

As a man called unto Prophesy, not just playing around with prophesy, like many, I understand it, TBH, most don't. Your fatal flaw here is you jump out of one Prophesy about the Valley of Dry Bones and into another Prophesy about the TWO-STICKS which clearly shows Jesus as that ONE KING. So, AFTER his 1000 year rule starts Satan is not around to tempt anyone. So, one is about Israel being brought back into the land, their bones being revived and then LATER ON they get Life BREATHED into them (revival as a peoples). THEN, they get their Promised King for the Kingdom Age as the Two Sticks Prophesy shows us.

The other Two Sticks Prophecy which leads to one King, Jesus Christ, can be seen BELOW:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things(This of course is CONTINGENT upon Jesus ruling first), nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

So, your problem was you do not seem to grasp that the Valley of Dry Bones AND The Two-Sticks are separate Prophesies. The later only comes true when Jesus is ruling, the former comes to pass before Jesus' return. (NOW)

So, yes, the verse you cited does indeed say that, but its not the same Prophesy as the Valley of Dry Bones prophesy.

13 hours ago, dad2 said:

They are not revived. They have gathered themselves to the middle east. They are not saved. God is not destroying all their enemies etc etc.

 

Not yet, read Zech. 13:8-9 we see 1/3 of the Jews(Israel) repent while 2/3 will refuse to do so and thus are cut off and die. THEN........the very next verse is Zech. 14:1 and it says Behold the Day of the Lord has arrived. Then in verse 2 Jerusalem falls.....then in verse 3 we see a 1260 day JUMP IN TIME because Jesus shows up in Jerusalem and splits the holy mountain asunder, then saves Israel and defeats the wicked. So, I agree, Israel only repent at the 1335 ( which indeed is the coming Two-witnesses blessing) which happens 45 days before the False Prophets AoD and 75 days before the Anti-Christ is allowed to go forth conquering in order to become the Beast. So, it seems you conflate the timing of everything. 

13 hours ago, dad2 said:

The Rapture starts the last week of Daniel, the day of the Lord, the tribulation. That is what starts it.

 

The Rapture of the Church is Pre Trib. Then again, when I see people can't get the simple things correct, I understand why they can not reconcile the harder prophetic utterings. But it seems you understand the Church is taken pre trib, so you should be able to slow down a wee bit and see all of this. God wants us to slow down and wait on Him. That way He gets credit for our understandings.

13 hours ago, dad2 said:

Exactly. At the end of that time they get saved and then God brings them to the land from all over. Then they will have Him as their God, then He restores and protects them etc.

 

God has already brought Israel back into the land brother. He states I will bring the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel, not the Church, not a few of the Jews but the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel. Not AFTER he returns but BEFORE, because as Zech. 13:8-9 proves, Israel repents JUST BEFORE the DOTL (Zech. 14:1). How else would they know to Flee Judea if they have not repented? The Jews read Matthew 24:15 AND then the Two-witnesses explain everything in vivid detail to them.

13 hours ago, dad2 said:

Sure we could speculate on the details of that week.

 

Well, I do not do speculation, and say I understand this in vivid detail. If I am guessing I say so, I am not guessing. I know via God blessing me with a heart that seeks out His deep truths.

13 hours ago, dad2 said:

No they are not saved and therefore alive at all. That happens when they all get saved in the end. They have moved in the flesh to the middle east. That is not life! God knew they would. In no way does that mean they are now restored to the land by God and have David as their king etc etc etc. Getting on a plane does not mean God breathed on you!

The problem you are having is you read the Two-sticks Prophesy and do not understand its not the Valley of Dry Bones Prophesy. I will show how the VODB Prophecy unfolds.

Ezekiel 37:4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord. 5 Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin(1948 till NOW Jesus created a Nation again), AND put breath in you, and ye shall live( This part only happens during the 70th week AFTER the Rapture); and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together(Israel is a Nation again), bone to his bone.

8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. (The Breath or Atonement comes later)

9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

So, Prophesy is a series of events to come. Just like Zechariah 14:1 is the DOTL and verse 2 is Jerusalem getting conquered, well vs. 3 on is Jesus defeating the wicked, but its 1260 days after vs. 2. Yes, God places His Spirit in those Dry Bones when He brings them back, but just not in the very MOMENT He brings them back, it is a process. The Jews have to need God to help them before they choose to atone and accept Jesus. Besides, we know through prophesy that Elijah is sent back BEFORE Israel repents. (Malachi 4:5-6)

13 hours ago, dad2 said:

Total speculation.

 

No, its just something you have never heard of nor understand. 

13 hours ago, dad2 said:

The bible does not say the day of the Lord starts when the USA gets hit with a comet. Really. It  starts when He comes to get His Bride. The worst part is the last half of that seven years and it starts when the abomination of desolation is placed.

 

No, the DOTL starts in the exact Middle of the week, not at the Pre Trib Rapture. We see 1/3 of the Trees burn, and 1/3 of the Ships and Sea Creatures effected. So, this Asteroid will hit in the Pacific Ocean, just off the coast of California, what part of the world do you think that will affect? The NEW WORLD, which has 1/3 of the total landmass and the Pacific Ocean which has 1/3 of the water on the whole face of the earth. Now use COMMON SENSE, if Jesus rules from Jerusalem for 1000 years, from the Old World, what part of the earth will he destroy to send a message? The New World of course, which is where the United States is at. What prepares and clears the path for the Beast? Getting rid of a meddlesome United States who tries to run everything in the whole world as we speak, LOL. And the Gog & Magog Wars gets rid of the Russian, Turkish and Iranian Armies, all these events clear this dictators path. 

I just understand it all. God Bless

Edited May 26, 2023 by Revelation Man

[dad2]

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

As a man called unto Prophesy, not just playing around with prophesy, like many, I understand it, TBH, most don't. Your fatal flaw here is you jump out of one Prophesy about the Valley of Dry Bones and into another Prophesy about the TWO-STICKS which clearly show Jesus as that ONE KING. So, AFTER his 1000 year rule starts Satan is not around tom tempt anyone. So, one is about Israel being brought back into the land, their bones being revived and then LATER ON they get Life BREATHED into them (revival as a peoples). THEN, they get their Promised King for the Kingdom Age as the Two Sticks Prophesy shows us.

They only lived WHEN they heard the word of the Lord. When He entered in to them! That was not 1948. Or today. That will be, as I see it, when they finally accept Jesus and are saved in the end.

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The other Two Sticks Prophecy which leads to one King, Jesus Christ, can be seen BELOW:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things(This of course is CONTINGENT upon Jesus ruling first), nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

So, your problem was you do not seem to grasp that the Valley of Dry Bones AND The Two-Sticks are separate Prophesies. The later only comes true when Jesus is ruling, the former comes to pass before Jesus' return. (NOW)

In this prophesy also we see they are saved. They have Jesus as their king, they are cleansed, saved, and His people. That was not 1948 and not today.

 

 

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Not yet, read Zech. 13:8-9 we see 1/3 of the Jews(Israel) repent while 2/3 will refuse to do so and thus are cut off and die. THEN........the very next verse is Zech. 14:1 and it says Behold the Day of the Lord has arrived. Then in verse 2 Jerusalem falls.....then in verse 3 we see a 1260 day JUMP IN TIME because Jesus shows up in Jerusalem and splits the holy mountain asunder, then saves Israel and defeats the wicked. So, I agree, Israel only repent at the 1335 ( which indeed is the coming Two-witnesses blessing) which happens 45 days before the False Prophets AoD and 75 days before the Anti-Christ is allowed to go forth conquering in order to become the Beast. So, it seems you conflate the timing of everything. 

So yes two thirds will die and the remnant one day will be saved. That was not history.

 

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Rapture of the Church is Pre Trib. Then again, when I see people can't get the simple things correct, I understand why they can not reconcile the harder prophetic utterings. But it seems you understand the Church is taken pre trib, so you should be able to slow down a wee bit and see all of this. God wants us to slow down and wait on Him. That way He gets credit for our understandings.

What is it you think someone did not understand? You talked about Eze 37 which is about when Israel is right with God, not history. Was there something else?

 

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

God has already brought Israel back into the land brother. He states I will bring the WHIOLE HOUSE of Israel, not the Church, not a few of the Jews but the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel. Not AFTER he returns but BEFORE, because as Zech. 13:8-9 proves, Israel repents JUST BEFORE the DOTL (Zech. 14:1). How else would they know to Flee Judea if they have not repented? The Jews read Matt. 24:15 AND the Two-witnesses explain everything in clear detail to them.

No. Having them in the land to some degree (many are not moving there) does not mean God brought them there. It means He knows they would be there. What verse have you that says He brings them before they are saved?

 

 

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The problem you are having is you read the Two-sticks Prophesy and do not understand its not the Valley of Dry Bones Prophesy. I will show how the VODB Prophecy unfolds.

Ezekiel 37:4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord. 5 Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

They do not live today. They will be alive when they get saved. Getting on a boat or plane does not make us alive. Nor do people line up at a flight to show passports and then Have God breath on them before the can fly!

 

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin(1948 till NOW Jesus created a Nation again), AND put breath in you, and ye shall live( This part only happens during the 70th week AFTER the Rapture); and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

OK, great. So what is your point regarding claiming God already restored them?

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together(Israel is a Nation again), bone to his bone.

No. Being saved is coming alive, not signing a paper saying you own some territory.

 

 

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. (The Breath or Atonement comes later_

9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

They only live after they accept Jesus.

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

He did not open graves in 1948. That is after they are saved and come alive.

 

 

 

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

Again, not 1948

 

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

So, Prophesy is a series of events to come. Just like Zechariah 14:1 is the DOTL and verse 2 is Jerusalem getting conquered, well vs. 3 on is Jesus defeating the wicked, but its 1260 days after vs. 2. Yes, God places His Spirit in those Dry Bones when He brings them back, but just not in the very MOMENT He brings them back, it is a process. The Jews have to need God to help them before they choose to atone and accept Jesus. Besides, we know through prophesy that Elijah is sent back BEFORE Israel repents. (Malachi 4:5-6)

Salvation is not a process actually. It is like being born. The time of Jacob's trouble is a judgment and purging and I suppose we could say process of preparing them to accept salvation. Not OF salvation. Salvation comes only when they believe in Jesus.

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

No, its just something you have never heard of nor understand. 

No, the DOTL starts in the exact Middle of the week, not at the Pre Trib Rapture. We see 1/3 of the Trees burn, and 1/3 of the Ships and Sea Creatures effected. So, this Asteroid will hit in the Pacific Ocean, just off the coast of California, what part of the world do you think that will affect? The NEW WORLD, which has 1/3 of the total landmass and the Pacific Ocean which has 1/3 of the water on the whole face of the earth. Now use COMMON SENSE, if Jesus rules from Jerusalem for 1000 years, from the Old World, what part of the earth will he destroy to send a message? The New World of course, which is where the United States is at. What prepares and clears the path for the Beast? Getting rid of a meddlesome United States who tries to run everything in the whole world as we speak, LOL. And the Gog & Magog Wars gets rid of the Russian, Turkish and Iranian Armies, all these events clear this dictators path. 

 

OK so finally I see a point. You think the day of the Lord does not start when we are gathered together in the air. You think it is only after the middle of the week. The last half of the seven years.

I did not see support for that in what you posted. You mentioned trees burning and etc. How do you know when that happens exactly in the seven years?

[Revelation Man]

5 hours ago, dad2 said:

They only lived WHEN they heard the word of the Lord. When He entered in to them! That was not 1948. Or today. That will be, as I see it, when they finally accept Jesus and are saved in the end.

16 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

If you call THE END the 70th week we can agree, it seems you think it is when Jesus returns, thus God just auto SAVES 1/3 of the Jews and DESTROYS 2/3 of the Jews for no reason, that takes the whole we are SAVED BY FAITH ALONE concept and destroys it. Abraham was accounted righteous because he BELIVED God. We gain Salvation THROUGH FAITH ALONE. That will not change, only those Jews who ACCEPT Christ by FAITH are saved. They do so at the 1335, which is 1335 days before the 2nd Coming ENDS ALL OF THESE WONDERS !! We can see the timeline, the Jews repent in Zech. 13:8-9 and then the VERY NEXT VERSE is the coming DOTL, that DAY is not when Jesus returns, THAT DAY is when his Wrath starts falling (see Rev. 8). Nevertheless God has already brought Israel back into their homeland.

5 hours ago, dad2 said:

In this prophesy also we see they are saved. They have Jesus as their king, they are cleansed, saved, and His people. That was not 1948 and not today.

 

Well, its a totally different Prophecy from  the Valley of Dry Bones Prophecy. You can't conflate them. But Ezekiel 37:1-14 is about TODAY. Israel's Bones were REVIVED. The Breath will come later.

5 hours ago, dad2 said:

So yes two thirds will die and the remnant one day will be saved. That was not history.

 

But Israel are a PHYSICAL NATION. If Italy were toted off, then brought back 2000 years later they would still be a Revived Nation, just not a nation who has received God on faith yet, if they were lets all say pagans. But, that could happen in the future, YET, Italy are still a REVIVED PEOPLES. There is a physical world and a spiritual world.

5 hours ago, dad2 said:

What is it you think someone did not understand? You talked about Eze 37 which is about when Israel is right with God, not history. Was there something else?

 

No it is not per se, its about BOTH their Dead Bones being revived WITHOUT Breath in them (No Holy Spirit) AND it is about the Breath coming LATER ON. So, Israel are brought back but have no understanding, in full, as a nation, of God. That can only come AFTER the Fulness of the Gentiles is come in (Church is Raptured)

5 hours ago, dad2 said:

No. Having them in the land to some degree (many are not moving there) does not mean God brought them there. It means He knows they would be there. What verse have you that says He brings them before they are saved?

 

The Bible says God Himself OPENED the Graves and brought them back into their homeland/Israel. They have NO BREATH in them means they have not yet repented. 

5 hours ago, dad2 said:

They do not live today. They will be alive when they get saved. Getting on a boat or plane does not make us alive. Nor do people line up at a flight to show passports and then Have God breath on them before the can fly!

 

Israel is back in their land, not for their purposes, or because THEY DESERVED it, Ezekiel 36 states God brought them back for His purposes to Glorify His name amongst the heathen. 

Ezekiel 36:19 And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them. 20 And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These are the people of the Lord, and are gone forth out of his land.

21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went. 22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord God; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.

23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, saith the Lord God, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.

24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you,(Later on) and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

So, God does this not because Israel deserved to be revived, but because of His own Holy names sake, He promised Abraham that his seed would rule forever. God proves this to the heathen by reviving Israel and bringing them back into the land. He will revive them spiritually ONLY after the Rapture, during the 70th week. 

So, THINK, how would God WAIT until the very end and then bring Israel back into the land just for a 7 year period? The Temple could not be built, most of those people would still see themselves as foreigners from Russia, Poland etc. etc. God had to bring back Israel BEFORE the 70th week events come into being, as a matter of fact Israel's leaders giving away their land by joining the E.U. is what sets all of these end time events into motion. So, they have to be in the land BEFORE they repent. 

5 hours ago, dad2 said:

OK, great. So what is your point regarding claiming God already restored them?

16 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Because God restores them as a Nation, when Jesus came they were a Nation but had not repented, thus they were a Nation for 500 years and had not repented, God restores them unto the peoples they were before the Diaspora, an unrepented nation. How can a nation repent who are not a Nation !! You are confusing what you think restoration is vs. how God thinks. God sees a physical restoration coming first, THEN a Spiritual restoration. God can not per se restore any of us, he just FOREKNOWS our actions, we all have been given free will. Israel has to repent themselves.

5 hours ago, dad2 said:

No. Being saved is coming alive, not signing a paper saying you own some territory.

 

If you can't grasp it that's on you what can I say? Israel were brought back to life as a Nation in 1948, God will breath life back into them as a Nation only when they Repent. 

The problem is you do not understand how Prophesy works, as I stated, Zech. 14:1-2 is the DOTL middle of the week, vs. 3 happens 1260 days later. Prophecy cam JUMP FORWARD in one verse by years. That is what happens where the Bones get revived and then in the very next verse where it says THEN.............that means 75-85 years later during the 70th week. THEN.........God breaths into them. 

5 hours ago, dad2 said:

They only live after they accept Jesus.

16 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

They only have BREATH (Holy Spirit) at that point, they lived, as a nation, after the bones were revived.

5 hours ago, dad2 said:

He did not open graves in 1948. That is after they are saved and come alive.

 

Yes God did, might want to quit saying what God didn't do when everyone else knows He did. Super bad Eschatology brother.

5 hours ago, dad2 said:

Again, not 1948

 

Israel became a nation in 1948, no matter what you proffer.

5 hours ago, dad2 said:

Salvation is not a process actually. It is like being born. The time of Jacob's trouble is a judgment and purging and I suppose we could say process of preparing them to accept salvation. Not OF salvation. Salvation comes only when they believe in Jesus.

16 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

God revived Israel as a Nation, they now must repent, we know they do that just before the DOTL at the 1335, then flee Judea at the 1290, just before the A.C. becomes the Beast at the 1260.

5 hours ago, dad2 said:

OK so finally I see a point. You think the day of the Lord does not start when we are gathered together in the air. You think it is only after the middle of the week. The last half of the seven years.

I did not see support for that in what you posted. You mentioned trees burning and etc. How do you know when that happens exactly in the seven years?

Well, of course God's Wrath starts in the middle of the week. With the Rev. 8 Asteroid, not via the Seals which DO NOTHING. 

Edited May 26, 2023 by Revelation Man

[dad2]

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

If you call THE END the 70th week we can agree, it seems you think it is when Jesus returns, thus God just auto SAVES 1/3 of the Jews and DESTROYS 2/3 of the Jews for no reason, that takes the whole we are SAVED BY FAITH ALONE concept and destroys it. Abraham was accounted righteous because he BELIVED God. We gain Salvation THROUGH FAITH ALONE. That will not change, only those Jews who ACCEPT Christ by FAITH are saved. They do so at the 1335, which is 1335 days before the 2nd Coming ENDS ALL OF THESE WONDERS !! We can see the timeline, the Jews repent in Zech. 13:8-9 and then the VERY NEXT VERSE is the coming DOTL, that DAY is not when Jesus returns, THAT DAY is when his Wrath starts falling (see Rev. 8). Nevertheless God has already brought Israel back into their homeland.

No one is saved automatically or damned automatically. The Jews cry out in the end and believe. As for your 1335 thing that is made up and opinion. We do not know exactly when the Jews are saved.

As for the day of the Lord many verses talk about that. Yes in Zec 14 it mentions it is coming and some things that will happen in it.

 

 

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Well, its a totally different Prophecy from  the Valley of Dry Bones Prophecy. You can't conflate them. But Ezekiel 37:1-14 is about TODAY. Israel's Bones were REVIVED. The Breath will come later.

I did no such thing. I pointed out that both speak about after they are saved.

 

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

But Israel are a PHYSICAL NATION. If Italy were toted off, then brought back 2000 years later they would still be a Revived Nation, just not a nation who has received God on faith yet, if they were lets all say pagans. But, that could happen in the future, YET, Italy are still a REVIVED PEOPLES. There is a physical world and a spiritual world.

Not spiritually. They are still a bunch of sinning dry bones. No life. Not saved. Not eligible for the restoration promises etc. The dry bones thing was not 1948

 

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

No it is not per se, its about BOTH their Dead Bones being revived WITHOUT Breath in them (No Holy Spirit) AND it is about the Breath coming LATER ON. So, Israel are brought back but have no understanding, in full, as a nation, of God. That can only come AFTER the Fulness of the Gentiles is come in (Church is Raptured)

The Bible says God Himself OPENED the Graves and brought them back into their homeland/Israel. They have NO BREATH in them means they have not yet repented. 

Israel is back in their land, not for their purposes, or because THEY DESERVED it, Ezekiel 36 states God brought them back for His purposes to Glorify His name amongst the heathen. 

No the comparison to bones and unbelievers forming a nation does not work.

Ezekiel 37:12

 

So tell them, "I, the Lord God, promise to open your graves and set you free. I will bring you back to Israel,

Ezekiel 37:13

and when that happens, you will realize that I am the Lord .

 

They do not realize He is Lord now. They are not set free. They are still dead in sin. and only when that happens will He bring them back. After they are saved.

 

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Ezekiel 36:19 And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them. 20 And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These are the people of the Lord, and are gone forth out of his land.

21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went. 22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord God; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.

23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, saith the Lord God, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.

24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you,(Later on) and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

Ezekiel 36:24

I will gather you from the foreign nations and bring you home.

Ezekiel 36:25

I will sprinkle you with clean water, and you will be clean and acceptable to me. I will wash away everything that makes you unclean, and I will remove your disgusting idols.

Ezekiel 36:26

I will take away your stubborn heart and give you a new heart and a desire to be faithful. You will have only pure thoughts,

Ezekiel 36:27

because I will put my Spirit in you and make you eager to obey my laws and teachings.

 

That has not happened at all yet.

 

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

So, God does this not because Israel deserved to be revived, but because of His ow Holy names sake, He promised Abraham that his seed would rule forever. God proves this to the heathen by reviving Israel and bringing the into the land. He will revive them spiritually ONLY after the Rapture, during the 70th week. 

He does not save anyone because they deserve it! When they do get saved, then He will make them clean and etc. Israel today is not clean. Not saved. No heart of God etc.

 

 

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

So, THINK, how would God WAIT until the very end and then bring Israel back into the land just for a 7 year period? The Temple could not be built, most of those people would still see themselves as foreigners from Russia, Poland etc. etc. God had to bring back Israel BEFORE the 70th week events come into being, as a matter of fact Israel's leaders giving away their land by joining the E.U. is what sets all of these end time events into motion. So, they have to be in the land BEFORE they repent. 

I never said that. I said He knew they will be there. He only restores than after they get saved.

 

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Because God restores them as a Nation, when Jesus came they were a Nation but had not repented, thus they were a Nation for 500 years and had nor repented, God restores them unto the peoples they were before the Diaspora, an unrepented nation. How can a nation repent who are not a Nation !! You are confusing what you think restoration is vs. how God thinks. God sees a physical restoration coming first, THEN a Spiritual restoration. God can not per se restore any of us, he just FOREKNOWS our actions, we all have been given free will. Israel has to repent themselves.

NOT until they repent and are saved. Until then we can't blame God for that mess.

 

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

If you can't grasp it that's on you. Israel were brought back to life as a Nation in 1948, God will breath life back into them as a Nation only when they Repent. 

No they are dead still. They brought themselves to that area. God will do it right after they get saved.

 

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The problem is you do not understand how Prophesy works, as I stated, Zech. 14:1-2 is the DOTL middle of the week, vs. 3 happens 1260 days later. Prophecy cam JUMP FORWARD in on verse by years. That is what happens where the Bones get revived and then in the very next verse where it says THEN.............that 75-85 years later during the 70th week. THEN.........God breaths into them. 

It says the day comes, not that it is already here and we are precisely three and a half years into it! Says who? Your numbers about bones revived have no merit since they are not revived at all yet.

 

 

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

They only have BREATH (Holy Spirit) at that point, they lived, as a nation, after the bones were revived.

Says who? The people in the secular nation of Israel are not revived at all. Not protected by God. Not restored etc. When God revives them they will be His people and follow and be saved etc. Sure they also will receive His spirit. Not before.

 

 

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Yes God did, might want to quit saying what God didn't do when everyone else knows He did. Super bad Eschatology brother.

They are wrong. The verses talk of His people alive and following etc etc. He did not restore them yet. That is why enemies will be allowed to kill them. You think after God protects and restores them there will even be any enemies alive for long!?

 

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Israel became a nation in 1948, no matter what you proffer.

So what? Not restored or saved by God. They are simply there and in position for the end time.

 

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

God revived Israel as a Nation, they now must repent, we know they do that just before the DOTL at the 1335, then flee Judea at the 1290, just before the A.C. becomes the Beast at the 1260.

No they are not revived or restored. They came themselves!

 

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Well, of course God's Wrath starts in the middle of the week. With the Rev. 8 Asteroid, nit the Seals which DO NOTHING. 

The whole seven years is wrath.

[Shilohsfoal]

On 12/26/2022 at 1:17 PM, dad2 said:

Many preachers suggest that He did, and that prophesy about God bringing them back to that land was fulfilled. The desert will blossom like a rose etc. Every place in Scripture that I have seen so far is talking about after Jesus returns and all (the remnant) Israel is saved. Not 1948

 Yes Israel needs to be there for endtime prophesies to be fulfilled but that does not mean God restored them and brought them there. It means He knew they would be there. Perhaps someone who shares the ideas of preachers like Jack Hibbs, Amir Tsarfati, Jan Markell etc etc could make a case.

I believe it was the beast that was restored in 1948.Those who's names are not written have followed after it.

[Revelation Man]

On 5/26/2023 at 6:24 PM, dad2 said:

No one is saved automatically or damned automatically. The Jews cry out in the end and believe. As for your 1335 thing that is made up and opinion. We do not know exactly when the Jews are saved.

As for the day of the Lord many verses talk about that. Yes in Zec 14 it mentions it is coming and some things that will happen in it.

 

The Day of the Lord happens in the middle of the 70th week, this is why the 1260 is so important to understand, without understanding the 1260, the 1290 and 1335 no one can grasp, in full, the end times TIMELINES. God rewarded me for hard work, I got tired of not being able to explain Daniel 11 in full so I decided to do an Exegesis (its on here somewhere, from like 7 years ago) and thus I had to do Dan. 11 & 12 (should have done 10, its all ONE VISION). I show every king and all the players and what each verse means. Cleopatra is in there, Alexander the Great of course, the young kid Antiochus had killed to arise to power, and Onias III and Jason (real name Yeshua) are in there (very important figures). 

Onias III  was a very pious Jewish High Priest, Jason was his brother, he loved Hellenism, thus the name change. Jason bribed Antiochus in order to become High Priest, having his brother Onias III killed, he then welcomed Antiochus into the temple of God to offer a Sacrifice unto Zeus, and he also mandated that all Jews become Hellenized, leading unto the infamous Maccabean Revolt. I wrote about all this and did not even understand it tbh at the time, only a year or so later did it hit me, "Wow, of course if God gave us an Archetype Anti-Christ in Antiochus his sidekick Archetype would have to be right alongside him, or the SHADOW of things to come is not complete" I thought to myself. Jason the Hellenist Jewish High Priest was the Archetype False Prophet to come, a Jewish High Priest who throws in with the "World" against his brothers !! 

But the most important discovery was the 1290 and 1335, its not me guessing, I understand the difference between a guess and God giving me understanding. Firstly, I never just accept anything, God tells us to try the spirits to see if they be of God, so I always do that, Psstt, I thought it was a lie from Satan tbh, because it meant the Anti-Christ could not be the one who takes away the sacrifice and places the AoD because of TIMING TELLS. So, I was like, naaaa, this can't be (my mind was trained like a seal also), it just doesn't fit. But alas, the testing proves it does fit. 

So, in Dan. 12:6 the Angel asks a QUESTION, how long will it be until all of these wonders(Dan. 11:36-45) end? And in vs. 7 the Man in Linen (Jesus pre incarnate) answers and basically says this, from the time Israel (holy peoples) get conquered there will be a Time, times and half (1260 days) and ALL THESE WONDERS will end !! Well, what ends them? Daniel had no clue, WE DO, The Second Coming ends the Anti-Christs 1260 day reign of terror, so we have a leg up on Daniel here. We know what ends all of these wonders. Its easy stuff, even though we are never told this is the Anti-Christ or even the Little Horn here we can figure it out via other verses in the bible, this can only be the A.C./Beast.

Here is the problem, most people then CHANGE their reasoning for some reason, and do not understand that God is not going to change His symmetry in the same passage/chapter. People come up with all kind of ideas about the 1290 and the 1335 when all we have to do is keep it simple, use the exact same fulcrum, the exact same point of emphasis that is used in vs. 6, the thing that ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS can only be Jesus' Second Coming, so ALL THREE NUMBERS are juxtaposed against the Second Coming, which ends these wonders. Then, Daniel in vs. 8 asks the EXACT SAME QUESTION as the Angel did in vs. 6, watch how they are the same question.

6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half(1260 days); and when he(the Anti-Christ conquers Israel/Sacatters them) shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. [By the Second Coming of course]

8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? (Psst, 2nd Coming)

So, Daniel asks the EXACT SAME QUESTION, the Angel asked !! Why would anyone thus expect the 1290 and 1335 to be different as per unto the fulcrum point being that it is Juxtaposed against the 2nd Coming, just as the 1260 was, the 2nd Coming ends all of these wonders via the vs. 6 question AND via the vs. 8 question. See how NOTHING can end all of these things except the Second Coming of Jesus? So, Daniel was told the TIMELINES, but not the who it is that ends these things (Jesus) nor what these numbers mean. We now know the A.C./Little Horn is the guy in Dan. 11:36-45, we do not seem to be able to grasp who the 1290 and 1335 events are speaking about (well, I do get it) so lets look at it and TRY the spirits.

Dan. 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end(NOW....We can know).

10 Many shall be purified, and made white(Church Age), and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up(Image), there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. {{{ UNTIL ALL THESE THINGS END, that was Daniels question, just like it was the Angels question, everything only ends when  Jesus shows up, so THESE THINGS END after 1290 days from THIS EVENT }}}

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. {{ Likewise, the 1335 is a NUMBER that tells us how many days THIS EVENT is until all of these wonders end also. This event is 1335 days until Jesus' return, this event is however a Blessing unto Israel, unlike the other two. What could these two events be? Could my numbers be correct? If so the 1290 can not be the Anti-Christ who only comes to power as the Beast at the 1260 as vs. 7 shows us. This is where our old understandings can put on a MIND BLOCK}}. 

So, my mind still felt the same way, naaa, this can't be correct, the coming Anti-Christ is the one who takes away the Sacrifice and places the AoD I thought. But I always try the spirits! So, off I went to test everything out. Its my calling, its what I do.

How could the 1290 not be the A.C. I thought to myself? Who could it be I asked !! This is where I dug deeper and understood about Jason being an ARCHETYPE False Prophet, this is recorded history, he is seen in Wikipedia, and the Jewish writers all wrote about Jason and his pious brother Onias III. Also,  Jason has like 7 chapters about him in the book of Maccabeans. So, this is a well known historic figure. Jason betrayed his Jewish brothers, welcomed in Antiochus to worship Zeus in the temple of God, that is what the Jewish holiday Hanukkah is all about, they had to cleanse the temple because of Jason and Antiochus. 

So, this end time A.C./Beast will have a sidekick just like Jason, a Jewish High Priest (Thus the moniker False Prophet from the earth/Land/Israel) gone rogue, who also betrays his people. He will be the one who takes away the sacrifice and places the AoD. Then when I read Dan. 9:27 I saw that it actually says he (prince to come or Anti-Christ) will CAUSE (not do it him self) the Sacrifice to be taken away and the Image to be placed. Well, who does Rev. 13 say places the IMAGE of the First Beast? The 2nd Beast or False Prophet, it is very, very clear, he gets the people to make an Image unto the Beast. So all of this made me think, well, this could be the False Prophet taking orders from afar just like Hitler mandated things from afar before he conquered peoples.

Thus the Anti-Christ could CAUSE this at the 1290, which is 30 days BEFORE he goes forth conquering at the 1260 event. But what is the 1335 Blessing I wondered !! Then it hit me? How will Israel know to flee Judea at the 1290? The Anti-Christ has not even conquered them yet, so what sets them off? Jesus said it was the AoD sign, but if they have not yet repented how could they understand the SIGN to flee Judea? The Jews do not read Matt. 24:15-17 I thought. I also thought of something else that had always bothered me, this 1290 not being the A.C./Beast, but instead the False Prophet,  would give Israel 30 days to flee Judea, and it always bothered me that Israel got conquered by the A.C. before they were given a sign to flee, and that just made NO SENSE to me at all, but the 1290 being 30 days BEFORE the Jews get conquered made perfect sense. Hmm I thought, making more and more sense means its passing the test so far on all counts.

Why or how do the Jews suddenly turn unto God? Could that be the 1335 Blessing that happens 45 days BEFORE the 1290 and 75 days BEFORE the 1260 I wondered? Then I thought about Malachi 4:5-6 and how it says Elijah will return BEFORE the Day of the Lord (1260) event. And I thought of Zech. 13:8-9 where we see that 1/3 of the Jews repent, and then we see the DOTL arrive in Zech. 14:1-2. So, yes Israel repents BEFORE the DOTL, and thus I thought the 1335 Blessing has to be the Two-witnesses showing up in order to get Israel to repent or to turn back unto God. They do so 45 days before the AoD and 75 days before the Beast shows up. But, does this match the Two-witnesses TIMELINE I wondered? They have a 1260 day Ordained by God Office on earth, but so does the Anti-Christ/Beast, so we should be able to JUXTAPOSE their TIMELINES against each other in order to see if this holds water. The Beast is the 1260 because he rules for 1260 days over Israel, he thus comes to power 1260 days before the 2nd Coming ends his rule at the 7th Vial. Thus he DIES at that time(7th Vial), so when do the Two-witnesses die? Well, we know they DIE at the 2nd Woe, Rev. 11 says so, just before the 3rd Woe comes. So, if they DIE FIRST (before the Beast dies) then they also gave to SHOW UP FIRST, (before the Beast shows up at the 1260 DOTL events) becausee both have 1260 day ordained offices. It is just basic math !! God in all his wisdom gave us two people(s) who have 1260 day Ordained by God Offices on this earth, so we can Juxtapose their timelines via their deaths. Psstt, this is the ONLY REASON the demon from the Bottomless Pit (Apollyon) is allowed to "Kill" the Two-witnesses, so we can grasp the two TIMELINES and understand the Two-witnesses have to come first at the 1335 Blessing.

So, you keep saying I am just guessing, I do not just guess. The 1335 is the Two-witnesses, the 1290 is the False Prophet who is like unto Jason and the 1260 who comes last is the Anti-Christ/Beast. And I tested it all out, to my surprise God gave this unto me, I thought it was a whispered untruth to start with tbh. But everything FITS. The biggest truth I got from this was understanding that these Angels and Jesus (Man in Linen) were not speaking about some PROFANE Meat Sacrifice in the temple, now I understood the Jews were WORSHIPING Jesus in the Temple from the 1335 to the 1290, this makes the A.C. (E.U. President) angry, thus he orders from afar the Israeli Prime Minister and the Jewish High Priest to stop this, they are probably not saved men, so they go along to get along, the Jewish High Priest is more than likely already anti Jesus anyway, like most Rabbis are today. So, he makes an edict, there is to be no Jesus Worship in the temple, and then he places an IMAGE of this E.U. President up in the temple (the AoD) thus these Jews who have repented understand they must now Flee Judea via this SIGN, because they have read Matt. 24:15-17 AND the 1335 Two-witnesses have preached this unto them. 

The Jews are saved at the 1335 Blessing. They thus Flee Judea at the 1290 AoD, and then need protecting while the Beast rules for 1260 days. Amen !!

 

Edited May 28, 2023 by Revelation Man

[dad2]

3 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

I believe it was the beast that was restored in 1948.Those who's names are not written have followed after it.

If Satan id the beast and also the final world leader is called the beast, there is no fit there.

[dad2]

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Day of the Lord happens in the middle of the 70th week, this is why the 1260 is so important to understand, without understanding the 1260, the 1290 and 1335 no one can grasp, in full, the end times TIMELINES. God rewarded me for hard work, I got tired of not being able to explain Daniel 11 in full so I decided to do an Exegesis (its on here somewhere, from like 7 years ago) and thus I had to do Dan. 11 & 12 (should have done 10, its all ONE VISION). I show every king and all the players and what each verse mans. Cleopatra is in there, Alexander the Great of course, the young kid Antiochus had killed to arise to power, and Onias III and Jason (real name Yeshua) are in there (very important figures). 

So basically you are calling the Great Tribulation the day of the Lord. Why?

The millennium is also the day of the Lord. I would think the Rapture kicks off the day of the Lord.

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Onias III  was a very pious Jewish High Priest, Jason was his brother, he loved Hellenism, thus the name change. Jason bribed Antiochus in order to become High Priest, having his brother Onias III killed, he then welcomed Antiochus into the temple of God to offer a Sacrifice unto Zeus, and he also mandated that all Jews become Hellenized, leading unto the infamous Maccabean Revolt. I wrote about all this and did not even understand it tbh at the time, only a year or so later did it hit me, "Wow, of course if God gave us an Archetype Anti-Christ in Antiochus his sidekick Archetype would have to be right alongside him, or the SHADOW of things to come is not complete. Jason the Hellenist Jewish High Priest was the Archetype False Prophet to come, a Jewish High Priest who throws in with the "World" against his brothers !! 

That relates to the topic how? It seems your guess or hunch is that the final world leader will have a Jewish sidekick. OK, who knows? The problem there is that this regime kills Jews en masse. If you were right it would have to be one heck of a traitor.

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

But the most important discover was the 1290 and 1335, its not me guessing, I understand the difference between a guess and God giving me understanding. Firstly, I never just accept anything, God tells us to try the spirits to see if they  be of God, so I always do that, Psstt, I thought it was a lie from Satan tbh, because it meant the Anti-Christ could not be the one who takes away the sacrifice and places the AoD because of TIMING TELLS. So, I was like, naaaa, this can't be (my mind was trained like a seal also), doesn't fit. But alas, the testing proves it does fit. 

Well, it isn't like the best is going to ask or try to take it away in a fashion they would like or agree with.

 

 

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

So, in Dan. 12:6 the Angel asks a QUESTION, how long will it be until all of these wonders(Dan. 11:36-45) end? And in vs. 7 the Man in Linen (Jesus pre incarnate) answers and basically says this, from the time Israel (holy peoples) get conquered there will be a Time, times and half (1260 days) and ALL THESE WONDERS will end !! Well, what ends them? Daniel had no clue, WE DO, The Second Coming ends the Anti-Christs 1260 day reign of terror, so we have a leg up on Daniel here. We know what ends all of these wonders. Its easy stuff, even though we are never told this is the Anti-Christ or even the Little Horn here we can figure it out via other verses in the bible, this can only be the A.C./Little Horn.

The tribulation does end when Jesus returns. Pretty basic stuff.

 

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Here is the problem, we then CHANGE our reasoning for some reason, we do not understand God is not going to change His symmetry in the same passage/chapter. We now come up with all kind of ideas about the 1290 and the 1335 when all we have to do is keep it simple, use the exact same fulcrum, the exact same point of emphasis in vs. 6, the thing that ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS can only be Jesus' Second Coming, so ALL THREE NUMBERS are juxtaposed against the Second Coming, which ends these wonders. Then Daniel in vs. 8 asks the EXACT SAME QUESTION as the Angel did in vs. 6, watch how they are the same question.

Basically they all go to the time Jesus comes and then there is an extra time for unknown reasons as well added on.

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

So, Daniel asks the EXACT SAME QUESTION, the Angel asked !! Why would anyone thus expect the 1290 and 1335 to be different as per unto the Fulcrum point being that it is Juxtaposed against the 2nd Coming,

There are different opinions. My opinion is that they represent things that happen after He returns. There is the judgment of nations, the destruction of the enemies,restoring Israel to the land, the start of the millennium, etc etc. It probably marks a few important events after the return of Jesus.

 By the way, it does not say that the AntiChrist 'comes to power' the same afternoon that he has the abomination set up! So forget some big countdown from the time the guy starts to rule that is also unknown. He could and likely is already in power before he orders the attack on Israel's holy place. The only marking point we have when the day count begins is the abomination being set up. It goes forward from there. Jesus returns in 1260 days. Then to really finish things up a few added little periods are given. Nothing to do with how long the AC is in power.

 

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

How could the 1290 not be the A.C. I thought to myself? ---

So, this end time A.C./Beast would have a sidekick just like Jason, a Jewish High Priest (Thus the moniker False Prophet from the earth/Land/Israel) gone rogue also one who betrays his people. He will be the one who takes away the sacrifice and places the AoD. Then when I read Dan. 9:27 it actually says he (prince to come or Anti-Christ) will CAUSE (not do it him self) the Sacrifice to be taken away and the Image to be placed. Who does Rev. 13 say places the IMAGE of the First Beast? The 2nd Beast/False Prophet, it is very, very clear, he gets the people to make an Image unto the Beast. So all of this made me think, well, this could be the False Prophet taking orders from afar just like Hitler mandated things from afar before he conquered peoples.

The problem with that scenario logically is that the false prophet will deceive the whole world. He also will have supernatural powers. If either the beast or the false prophet were too Jewish up front, how would they appeal to the whole world? It seems the new religion of the world will be far from accepting or promoting Jewish practices.

 

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Thus the Anti-Christ could CAUSE this at the 1290, which is 30 days BEFORE he goes forth conquering at the 1260 events. But what is the 1335 Blessing I wondered !! Then it hit me? How will Israel know to flee Judea at the 1290 ? The Anti-Christ has not even conquered them, what sets them off? Jesus said it was the AoD sign, but if they have not yet repented how could they understand the SIGN to flee Judea? They do not read Matt. 24:15-17 I thought.I also thought of something else that had always bothered me, this 1290 not being the A.C./Beast would give Israel 30 days to flee Judea, and it always bothered me that the got conquered by the A.C. before they were given a sign to flee, and that just made NO SENSE, but the 1290 being 30 days BEFORE the get conquered made perfect sense. Hmm I thought, making more and more sense means its passing the test so far on all accounts.

The days count forward not backwards. FROM this point there will be so many days...  You are counting from the end backwards. How will Israel know? Forget that, He is talking to believers! When YOU see the abomination, then flee so fast you don't even go back in the house, kind of like as if it was on fire. That fast. Your scenario seems to be based on an idea all Israel are believers half way through the seven years. No. The events of the Great Tribulation show us quite the opposite.

 

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Why or how do the Jews suddenly turn  unto God?

When they see Him is one clue in Zec. Sounds like it is a last minute thing when they all (remnant still alive) get saved. They are not saved back in the abomination of desolation being set up time.

Soon as they believe God from heaven kills all their enemies! That was all He was waiting for to protect them and restore them.

 

 

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

So, you keep saying I am just guessing, I do not just guess. The 1335 is the Two-witnesses, the 1290 is the False Prophet like unto Jason and the 1290 who comes last is the Anti-Christ. And I tested it all out, to my surprise God gave this unto me, I thought it was a whispered untruth to start with tbh. Bur everything FITS.

You are guessing and it is not a good guess. You seem to build it upon a wrong notion that all Israel is saved when the AC sets up the abomination. No. Then you insert events to try and fit the scheme such as the two witnesses being killed or whatever. That is an exercise in frivolity. The 1335 days is this, an extra 75 days after Jesus returns for something to get done. What we don't know for sure. It has to do with that little period of time when He returns and takes care of business and judges nations, starts to rule the nations etc etc. There is lots of room for guesses there. Your guesses though are out to lunch and not even in the ballpark.

 

Edited May 27, 2023 by dad2

[Shilohsfoal]

8 hours ago, dad2 said:

If Satan id the beast and also the final world leader is called the beast, there is no fit there.

Scripture does not call the beast from the sea a world leader.

It says the world followed after it.Just like all the Jews in Israel who followed it from every nation ,tongue and peoples.

Edited May 28, 2023 by Shilohsfoal