Did God restore Israel in 1948?

[Shilohsfoal]

8 hours ago, dad2 said:

If Satan id the beast and also the final world leader is called the beast, there is no fit there.

And just so you know.The Jews who founded Israel arrived from the sea.

[dad2]

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Scripture does not call the beast from the sea a world leader.

It says the world followed after it.Just like all the Jews in Israel who followed it from every nation ,tongue and peoples.

Look again

Rev 13:

 And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast; they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?” There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him. And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven. It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him. All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

 

Yes a leader of the world worshiped by all nations the great leader no one could make war with.

 

 

[dad2]

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

And just so you know.The Jews who founded Israel arrived from the sea.

So? The world did not worship Manachem Begin or any of the others. The sea also represents people. Try not to 'debate' like a bot.

[Revelation Man]

10 hours ago, dad2 said:

So basically you are calling the Great Tribulation the day of the Lord. Why?

The millennium is also the day of the Lord. I would think the Rapture kicks off the day of the Lord.

11 hours ago, dad2 said:

So basically you are calling the Great Tribulation the day of the Lord. Why?

The millennium is also the day of the Lord. I would think the Rapture kicks off the day of the Lord.

FIXED THE SPELLING ETC. ABOVE......was tired at the time.

Yes, the Greatest Ever Troubles is Jacob's Troubles. It is what pushes them to repent, the whole plan was a punishment to bring Israel unto repentance, since they refuse to repent even for John the Baptist and Jesus the Messiah they were PUT OFF until the Church Age had competed (Fulness of the Gentiles). Then they join the E.U. or make an Agreement with the HE of Dan. 9:27, whom is the prince to come of Dan. 9:26. Since this man only turns on Israel at the midway point, and conquers them at the 1260 like Dan. 12:7 says, why does anyone think the whole 70th week is the Greatest Ever Troubles?

Jesus clearly says the Greatest Troubles starts at the AoD, which is the 1290, which is 30 days before the 1260. All of God's Plans center around this 1260 event. Satan is cast down to earth and chases the Woman (Israel) for exactly 1260 days, the Anti-Christ is not allowed to go forth conquering until day 1260, thus he rules as a Beast for only 1260 days. The Rev. 8 Asteroid thus brings the Wrath of God, only when this event happens does God allow the A.C. to go forth, that or else God knows he will not go forth until his path is clear, and God clears it fir him by wiping out a godless USA after the Rapture with the Apophis asteroid, either way, he only rules for 1260 days.

The Rapture happens 7 years before Jesus' Second Coming. The 70t week kicks off at the Rapture, OR......It might just be that Israel giving their "Land Away" (God's land) is what triggers the Rapture, I think so, I think people have had it backwards. So, Israel joins the E.U. and that is the 7 Year Agreement (Covenant in Hebrew simply means agreement). In the middle of that 70th week is when God's Wrath falls, He allows the A.C. to go forth conquering, thus he becomes The Beast in that he rules over Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region as the other 6 Heads did. Just as the other Four Beasts of Daniel did. They are the same, save Egypt and Assyria being left off of Daniel's list because they had already fallen. The 1000 years is also a part of the Day of the Lord, THAT DAY is just ONE DAY, in which God starts taking back his title deed to Earth by Wrath and by force. That DAY continues for 1000 years, after all our Lord is ruling right? 
 

11 hours ago, dad2 said:

That relates to the topic how? It seems your guess or hunch is that the final world leader will have a Jewish sidekick. OK, who knows? The problem there is that this regime kills Jews en masse. If you were right it would have to be one heck of a traitor.

Not really, remember, most orthodox Jews despise Jewish Jesus types, or lets just say Messianic Jews. So, if 3.5-5 million Jews accepted Jesus and started coming to the Temple to worship Jesus this would rile a bunch of orthodox Jews up, imho. Remember, they do not understand the E.U. President is the Anti-Christ, heck they don't believe in Christ (snickers/laughs/guffaws). So, when the High Priest says no Jesus worship, yes he is going along with the E.U. President, who in some manner is throwing off on "Christians" not Jews per se. And this High Priest places an Image or Statue of the E.U. President up in the temple. They may not perceive this as a bad thing, they are by this time a part of the E.U. and if a Church in the USA placed lets say a Lincoln or George Washington Statue up in the temple no one would think twice, but the Temple of God is different, it his God's House, where God the Father dwells at, in the Holy of holies. I think this man just eschews Messianic Jews, but he goes full tilt anti God before its over. He will throw in, in full, with the Anti-Christ, as the Second Beast or Religious Beast. 

11 hours ago, dad2 said:

Well, it isn't like the best is going to ask or try to take it away in a fashion they would like or agree with.

 

I assume you meant Beast instead of best above. The point is the Anti-Christ is not even The Beast (which means he has Conquered and RULES over Israel) at the 1290, thus it can only be the False Prophet who takes away THE SACRIFICE (Jesus Worship) and places THE IMAGE. 

11 hours ago, dad2 said:

The tribulation does end when Jesus returns. Pretty basic stuff.

 

Yes indeed. But understanding THE TIMING is very important. Both when it starts and how long it lasts.

11 hours ago, dad2 said:

Basically they all go to the time Jesus comes and then there is an extra time for unknown reasons as well added on.

12 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

NOT SO........They are each THAT MANY DAYS, until the Second Coming, meaning the 1335 COMES FIRST, the 1290 comes NEXT and the 1260 comes last out of the three. LIKE THIS:

The Two-witnesses show up 1335 days before the 2nd coming.

The False Prophet places the AoD image and takes away Jesus worship, 1290 days before the 2nd coming. 

The A.C. becomes The Beast 1260 days before the 2nd coming.

So, the Two-witnesses show up 75 days before the A.C. becomes the Beast. The False Prophets AoD actions happen 45 days after the Two-witnesses show up and 30 days before the Beast shows up. Only when one grasps this can he understand all of the coming end times in full.

11 hours ago, dad2 said:

There are different opinions. My opinion is that they represent things that happen after He returns. There is the judgment of nations, the destruction of the enemies,restoring Israel to the land, the start of the millennium, etc etc. It probably marks a few important events after the return of Jesus.

 By the way, it does not say that the AntiChrist 'comes to power' the same afternoon that he has the abomination set up! So forget some big countdown from the time the guy starts to rule that is also unknown. He could and likely is already in power before he orders the attack on Israel's holy place. The only marking point we have when the day count begins is the abomination being set up. It goes forward from there. Jesus returns in 1260 days. Then to really finish things up a few added little periods are given. Nothing to do with how long the AC is in power.

There is only ONE FACT, opinions do not matter to me. I only do opinions when I do not already understand something in full. Those ideas you have, are like others guesses, I show exactly why everything I state is factual via all of the TIMELINES, and how it all adds up. Again, the SYMMETRY is not changing in the same passage. The 1290 CAN NOT be the Anti-Christ, why would God give the Jews a SIGN after they are Conquered, it just makes zero sense at all. But a 30 day period to flee makes perfect sense!! Also, the Two-witnesses DIE before the Beast DIES, thus they have show up before the A.C. becomes the Beast. That is why both have 1260 day offices. That is the only reason the Two-witnesses are allowed to die so we can JUXTAPOSE their timelines. Hence, since they die at he end of the 2nd Woe and show up 75 days before the Beast, we know the 3rd Woe lasts for 75 days. 

Matters not when the A.C. comes to power in the E.U. only when he becomes THE BEAST (Conquers Israel/Jerusalem) in the middle of the week. That is how we JUXTAPOSE the timelines of the Beast against the Two-witnesses. The AoD has nothing to do with the Beast who can only become the Beast 30 days later.

11 hours ago, dad2 said:

The problem with that scenario logically is that the false prophet will deceive the whole world. He also will have supernatural powers. If either the beast or the false prophet were too Jewish up front, how would they appeal to the whole world? It seems the new religion of the world will be far from accepting or promoting Jewish practices.

The WHOLE WORLD does not factor in, the Beast ONLY Conquers Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region, like Dan. 11:40-43 shows us. When it states the whole earth, its speaking of the GROUND being spoken about, where every Beast arose out of the Great Sea or Mediterranean Sea. Its not a World Wide Kingdom, nor a world wide religion, North And South America (the 1/3 of Rev. 8) will be destroyed. He will rule from the E.U. and conquer Israel, her neighbors and all of North Africa, that will be his total kingdom. Remember, both Nebuchadnezzar and Alexander the Great was said to rule the WHOE WORLD also, but it just meant the Mediterranean Sea Region. The Super Natural powers only come after Satan is cast down at the 1260, which is 30 days after the 1290 AoD event.

 

12 hours ago, dad2 said:

The days count forward not backwards. FROM this point there will be so many days...  You are counting from the end backwards. How will Israel know? Forget that, He is talking to believers! When YOU see the abomination, then flee so fast you don't even go back in the house, kind of like as if it was on fire. That fast. Your scenario seems to be based on an idea all Israel are believers half way through the seven years. No. The events of the Great Tribulation show us quite the opposite.

The time counts anyway God wants it to count. Why isn't the 1260 BACKWARDS also then? He is saying from the time Israel is conquered until all these things END there will be 1260 days !! So, its not really counting backwards at all. You, and others, just miss the fact that each number counts THAT MANY DAYS FORWARD, until Jesus' 2nd Coming ends all of these wonders. The 1260 is juxtaposed against Jesus' 2nd coming and you get that, but fail to get the other two are also juxtaposed against Jesus' 2nd Coming mainly because its been pushed on us that the A.C. has to be the 1290, he is not. This confuses people, because if he is the 1290, then it has to come after the 1260 where he first shows up, LOL, see my point? Like trained seals we see what we've been taught. 

Israel are BELIVERS at the 1335, which is 75 days before the A.C. becomes the Beast by conquering Israel. 1/3 or 3.5-5 million Jews repent, the will have 30 days to flee Judea BUT......not everyone repents at the same time right? Some may come to Christ 2 or 3 days before the 1260, the may have this not understood thew 1290 AoD and now its the 1263, so they have three days left to flee Judea. Thus Jesus says GO.....Don't look back. 

12 hours ago, dad2 said:

When they see Him is one clue in Zec. Sounds like it is a last minute thing when they all (remnant still alive) get saved. They are not saved back in the abomination of desolation being set up time.

Soon as they believe God from heaven kills all their enemies! That was all He was waiting for to protect them and restore them.

Zech. 13:8-9 happens BEFORE the DOTL which starts at the 1260, middle of the week events. The Jews indeed are saved at the AoD that is how the understand to Flee Judea. 

12 hours ago, dad2 said:

You are guessing and it is not a good guess. You seem to build it upon a wrong notion that all Israel is saved when the AC sets up the abomination. No. Then you insert events to try and fit the scheme such as the two witnesses being killed or whatever. That is an exercise in frivolity. The 1335 days is this, an extra 75 days after Jesus returns for something to get done. What we don't know for sure. It has to do with that little period of time when He returns and takes care of business and judges nations, starts to rule the nations etc etc. There is lots of room for guesses there. Your guesses though are out to lunch and not even in the ballpark.

No, I am telling you what it actually means, since this throws off everything you have ever understood you can't accept it. The 1335 is exactly what I state, the Two-witnesses are THE BLESSING, they DIE FIRST, thus they have to SHOW UP FIRST. You see it but refuse to accept it. 

God Bless

[dad2]

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

 

 

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 Since this man only turns on Israel at the midway point, and conquers them at the 1260 like Dan. 12:7 says, why does anyone think the whole 70th week is the Greatest Ever Troubles?

How is the midpoint of the seven years the '1260"?

 

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Jesus clearly says the Greatest Troubles starts at the AoD, which is the 1290, which is 30 days before the 1260

The abomination is set up in the middle of the week. That is not '1290'

 

 

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. All of God's Plans center around this 1260 event.

Says who?

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Satan is cast down to earth and chases the Woman (Israel) for exactly 1260 days, the Anti-Christ is not allowed to go forth conquering until day 1260, thus he rules as a Beast for only 1260 days.

That would be because the Great Tribulation lasts that long and after 1260 days Jesus returns. The midpoint is not given as days. The period FROM the mid point is given in days.

 

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The Rev. 8 Asteroid thus brings the Wrath of God,

The first trumpet in that chapter is not an asteroid.

Revelation 8:7

The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

 

Some say that is a limited nuclear war. Others have different guesses. You stating matter of factly that it is an asteroid is elevating your weak guess to a ridiculous level.

 

 

 

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only when this event happens does God allow the A.C. to go forth, that or else God knows he will not go forth until his path is clear, and God clears it fir him by wiping out a godless USA after the Rapture with the Apophis asteroid, either way, he only rules for 1260 days.

You read all that in.You also are off on the time. It is the midst of the week as the bible says.

 

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The Rapture happens 7 years before Jesus' Second Coming. The 70t week kicks off at the Rapture, OR......It might just be that Israel giving their "Land Away" (God's land) is what triggers the Rapture, I think so, I think people have had it backwards.

Or it might be God is fed up with them molesting children with sex changes, or etc etc etc. Basically He has a time and that's it. We don't know why.

 

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So, Israel joins the E.U.

Total conjecture that you ramble on and on about as if it had some sort of validity to it. Why douse prophesy with 99 parts baseless opinion and claim it is somehow biblical?
 

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. The point is the Anti-Christ is not even The Beast (which means he has Conquered and RULES over Israel) at the 1290, thus it can only be the False Prophet who takes away THE SACRIFICE (Jesus Worship) and places THE IMAGE. 

No the beast means God called the evil leader a beast. The final leader is the beast. Watch-

Revelation 19:20

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone

 

You are wrong.

 

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NOT SO........They are each THAT MANY DAYS, until the Second Coming, meaning the 1335 COMES FIRST, the 1290 comes NEXT and the 1260 comes last out of the three. LIKE THIS:

No.

Daniel 12:11

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

 

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The Two-witnesses show up 1335 days before the 2nd coming.

In your guess. You simply misapply the 1335 days. The days start at the abomination set up. 1260. Additional time after that is also after that.

 

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The A.C. becomes The Beast 1260 days before the 2nd coming.

Any leader that moves into Israel militarily, and destroys their worship system did not come to power that morning before coffee. Presenting an opinion that he did renders your words opinionated and worthless.

 

 

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There is only ONE FACT, opinions do not matter to me. I only do opinions when I do not already understand something in full. Those ideas you have, are like others guesses, I show exactly why everything I state is factual via all of the TIMELINES, and how it all adds up.

Calling you unsound hunches fact is a waste of words and time.

 

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Again, the SYMMETRY is not changing in the same passage. The 1290 CAN NOT be the Anti-Christ,

The 1290 was given after we already had the days till Jesus returns. It is an extra month. So after Jesus returns, another month is involved till some important point. Your attempts to backtrace this before the start point of the abomination are not valid at all. Then you build your entire prophetic 'understanding' on that premise as if you were some great one who had special knowledge. All it shows is that you do not have the honesty to admit you have it all truly muddled and confused.

 

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why would God give the Jews a SIGN after they are Conquered, it just makes zero sense at all.

What sign are you referring to?

 

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  the Two-witnesses DIE before the Beast DIES, thus they have show up before the A.C. becomes the Beast.

Regardless of when people die, that does not mean they have to show up anywhere last or first. That is foolishness.

 

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That is why both have 1260 day offices.

Name the verse that says the 2 witnesses appear and preach on some particular year or day? Why make stuff up?

 

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That is the only reason the Two-witnesses are allowed to die so we can JUXTAPOSE their timelines.

Insanity

 

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Hence, since they die at he end of the 2nd Woe and show up 75 days before the Beast, we know the 3rd Woe lasts for 75 days. 

Made up hooey. Why pretend?

 

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Matters not when the A.C. comes to power in the E.U. only when he becomes THE BEAST (Conquers Israel/Jerusalem) in the middle of the week.

Name the verse that says the last king only becomes what he is after he conquers Israel?

 

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The AoD has nothing to do with the Beast who can only become the Beast 30 days later.

Steaming pile of cultish hunches.

 

 

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The WHOLE WORLD does not factor in,

The bible says it does. He rules over and deceives the whole world. Not like you get a vote.

 

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the Beast ONLY Conquers Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region, like Dan. 11:40-43 shows us. When it states the whole earth, its speaking of the GROUND being spoken about, where every Beast arose out of the Great Sea or Mediterranean Sea. Its not a World Wide Kingdom

Simple outright false words.

 

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 Why isn't the 1260 BACKWARDS also then?

Because we read it id FROM a certain time. Not backwards to a time. Nothing else works.

If there are 1260 days from the abomination till Jesus returns, then that is how long it is. If additional days are noted on top of that 1260 days, that puts them after! Not before. Each number is after the 1260 days. You do not get to sneak way back to the middle of the seven years and try to tack a month before the abomination was set up and insert some made up event in there (such as saying that is when the 2 witnesses have to have started preaching)

 

 

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Israel are BELIVERS at the 1335,

 

There is no end to this foolishness. Israel gets saved near the very end. Nothing to do with 1335. (the 1335 days is some event after Jesus returns)

You have lost all credibility and are preaching twisted confused opinions that have zero bible support or common sense.

[Revelation Man]

10 minutes ago, Slibhin said:

*Pokes head in, deeply regrets doing so and backs out slowly*

 Up there somewhere I say how 3.5-5 million Jewish people are going to turn to Christ Jesus, Hmmmm, that is good news, but only when one understand Jesus is the Messiah. Until then it is seen by Orthodox Jews a billy goat fodder. (I get it).

But remember, we as Christians still love Israel and the Jewish peoples, not all, but most truly do.

Psstt, REMEMBER, after you see 1 Billion or so Christians all DIE AT ONCE (the Rapture) to come back here and read all my posts, it will be like a Roadmap for what Messianic Jewish coverts need to do. Also by that time, (REMEMER THIS) Israel will be a part of the European Union (MARK IT DOWN). 

Edited May 28, 2023 by Revelation Man

[Shilohsfoal]

11 hours ago, dad2 said:

Look again

Rev 13:

 And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast; they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?” There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him. And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven. It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him. All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

 

Yes a leader of the world worshiped by all nations the great leader no one could make war with.

 

 

No,he is worshiped by those who followed after him.

And just a bit of Information you may not be familiar with . The word"ghay" can simply mean a country and not the entire world.

Edited May 28, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Shilohsfoal]

11 hours ago, dad2 said:

So? The world did not worship Manachem Begin or any of the others. The sea also represents people. Try not to 'debate' like a bot.

The sea as in the people of All nations found in Israel,?

 

You do understand that the people of Israel who followed the beast there are from all over the world ,I'm sure.

 

Edited May 28, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[dad2]

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

No,he is worshiped by those who followed after him.

He causes all the world to get his mark. No one buys or sells without it. Not just his followers. He causes all who refuse to die.

 

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

And just a bit of Information you may not be familiar with . The word"ghay" can simply mean a country and not the entire world.

Context.

Revelation 14:6

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

 

It is not some country that takes his mark, but every nation. All nations.

[dad2]

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

The sea as in the people of All nations found in Israel,?

 

You do understand that the people of Israel who followed the beast there are from all over the world ,I'm sure.

 

It does not matter where people from all nations originally came from or if Israel also has a multicultural population.