Replacement Theology

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1 minute ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

Just so you know, God chastises his “ Daughters “ as well,😉

He loves us as well.💗

Of course, sister.

:-)

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1 minute ago, Neighbor said:

..."sanctification is positional and instantaneous and should not be confused with progressive sanctification. This sanctification has to do with the believer’s standing, not his present walk or condition (Acts 20:32; 1 Corinthians 1:2, 30; 6:11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; Hebrews 2:11; 3:1; 10:10, 14; 13:12; 1 Peter 1:2)." Reference source: Grace Community Chapel statement of beliefs of this local body of Christ Jesus under the pastorship of John MacArthur; and is one of the things I still  find an unchanging agreement with after all these years.

 

Yes--there are a few things happening here. We are 'at once' set aside 'In Christ' and made holy and righteous as His Righteousness is imputed to us. So we are both 'set aside' and Righteous when in Christ of the Father.

Sanctification (hagiasmos) means purified, holy, dedicated to a purpose.

This is immediate, but there is an ongoing 'setting aside' that takes place in hearts and minds, as we abide in Him.

ἁγιασμός hagiasmos, hag-ee-as-mos´; from 37; properly, purification, i.e. (the state) purity; concretely (by Hebraism) a purifier: — holiness, sanctification.

1Cor. 1:30 (NKJVS) But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption—

1Th. 4:3 (NKJVS)   For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality; ⁴ that each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor,

2Th. 2:13 (NKJVS)   But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth,

1Pet. 1:2 (NKJVS) elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:   Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

Rom. 12:2 (NKJVS) And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

2Cor. 3:18 (NKJVS) But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.

 

[Sower]

18 minutes ago, George said:

What tends to happen is people get so wrapped up in their own merits ... they think that works justify, however the Scriptures are clear justification by faith alone.  But if we are truly in Him, we are directly connected to the vine, and in Him we should be producing good fruit!

"people get so wrapped up in their own merits"

"in Him we should be producing good fruit!"

(The branch(us) cannot produce any fruit-only bear it)

 

 

"Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in m".   John 15:4

"I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth  much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing"   John 15:5

"Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples"
John 15:8

Jesus is the vine, the true vine. He alone produces the fruit, not the branches.
Branches that abide only bear that which Jesus has produced.
Without abiding to the vine, the branch can do nothing, no fruit at all.

bear; (bringeth forth)
Definition: to bear, carry, bring forth
Usage: I carry, bear, bring; I conduct, lead; perhaps: I make publicly known.

To make visible what God has produced, to show the fruit, produced for others.
NOT the branch. (The only work to brag about is the abiding, not the fruit.
 He that produces the fruit is the vine, Jesus. Our privilege is to show what God is doing within us as we allow/submit (abide-controlled by) Him.

 

 

[Starise]

15 hours ago, George said:

SALVATION WAS OPENED TO THE GENTILES ... FOR WHAT REASON?  TO PROVOKE THE JEWISH PEOPLE BACK TO THEIR MESSIAH!

As a Gentile, I would also like to think God used the Jewish rejection as a way to save us because He loves us.

If the only reason Gentiles are saved is because God wanted the Jews to be jealous, I guess it's better than nothing, however if a man has a girl he has a crush on and she doesn't like him very much he might resort to attempting to make her jealous by meeting another girl. The man probably doesn't care very much for the girl he is using. See my point?

While jealousy is clearly one motive, I don't believe it was the only motive.

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Starise said:

As a Gentile, I would also like to think God used the Jewish rejection as a way to save us because He loves us.

If the only reason Gentiles are saved is because God wanted the Jews to be jealous, I guess it's better than nothing, however if a man has a girl he has a crush on and she doesn't like him very much he might resort to attempting to make her jealous by meeting another girl. The man probably doesn't care very much for the girl he is using. See my point?

While jealousy is clearly one motive, I don't believe it was the only motive.

 

 

 

For God so loved 'the world'.

[Starise]

I have been reading deeply into secret and open gnostic belief and organizations concerning the bloodlines of Jesus, and let me tell you it's a real rabbit hole.

The reason I bring it up is because lots of people have fed into, and believe a lot of it. These ideas feed directly into who some believe the "chosen" ones are.

What a lot of people don't realize is that there is an accompanying doctrine wholly contrived by Satan and believed with the same voracity as the true Christian doctrine. To a beliver this might seem unlikely, but I assure you, a lot of it is the engine a lot of what we are seeing happen in society runs on. They are effectively the "other side".

This goes back to Rome, Babylon, the knights Templar, the Masonic orders and all similar. 

According to their beliefs, Jesus had a wife, Mary Magdeline, who had several children who are the bloodlines that are now powerful royals and other highly positioned elites. This is where at least some of the "all Jews are evil" ideas come from. This is how we go from a Jewish saviour to royals and world leaders thinking they are elite or God's very blood.

Scripture has been contorted to the point that on their end it looks nothing like the truth. This would not be so bad if noone believed it, but MANY have bought into it.

Most European cathedrals, especially those in the gothic style are really shrines to mysticism. It's all like an onion. The layer they want you to see is supposed to be Christian. Go a few layers down and it's really magic, gnosticsm, mysticism and the occult.

Our enemy makes himself look good while demonizing true believers as non initiates of the order and not seeing the deeper things.

 

[Neighbor]

1 hour ago, Sower said:

(The branch(us) cannot produce any fruit-only bear it)

 

Hi, I suggest that it is an analogy, not science; and should be treated as such.

As science, a  repeatable exercise, the grafted on branch that flourishes upon the good root stock  does not produce a fruit different from what it did  when part of it's natural parent. It produces fruit of it's own kind.

The branch of an orange  grafted  on compatible root stock , say  a lime, will produce, on it's own branches , more oranges, it will not begin to bloom limes, nor will it make the natural branches  produce oranges instead of limes.

The graft  does not become the root, but it does flourish  greatly  upon a strong root stock that is compatible. If it is not compatible, it will never take at all. It will whither and die.

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3 hours ago, Neighbor said:

Hi, I suggest that it is an analogy, not science; and should be treated as such.

As science, a  repeatable exercise, the grafted on branch that flourishes upon the good root stock  does not produce a fruit different from what it did  when part of it's natural parent. It produces fruit of it's own kind.

The branch of an orange  grafted  on compatible root stock , say  a lime, will produce, on it's own branches , more oranges, it will not begin to bloom limes, nor will it make the natural branches  produce oranges instead of limes.

The graft  does not become the root, but it does flourish  greatly  upon a strong root stock that is compatible. If it is not compatible, it will never take at all. It will whither and die.

Thanks for your reply, Neighbor.

The scripture quoted speaks for itself.

Thanks for your science lesson...

God can graft an old saved branch like me into the vine, the creator of the universe.

 

 

 

[Neighbor]

3 hours ago, Sower said:

God can graft an old saved branch like me into the vine, the creator of the universe.

And He has hopefully.

[Mama Etna]

This thread is a good read.  It highlights why I detest anglo israelism.  It is another heresy that tries to replace Israel.  It is also very anti semitic.