'Jewish', a single mention in all the words of God?

[kwikphilly]

6 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Many of the Jews believed in Jesus Christ but how can one tell the Jews who had believe in Jesus and those who did not believe...the same situation existed with the Galileans who believed in Jesus and those who did not believe or they were following the old...

To the strangers they all looked the same they cannot tell one of the other by just looking at them. 

But then the time came for the pilgrims to go off to Jerusalem for the religious Holidays...and the strangers and the nominal Jews or Galileans pointed to some groups of Jewish discend or Galilean discend who were not interested to make the trip to Jerusalem and they wondering why (?)...

So the answer was at first that they are Jews or Galileans from a different persuasion than the traditional one...and as they identified themselves in the faith of Jesus Christ and the Atonement of Jesus Christ as the Lamb of God for the forgiveness of their sins...

The nominal Jews to protect their integrity they separated them selves from them and they call them Christians...

That they were Jews and or Galileans who intensify with them in the looks and they way they dressed and in the accent of speach and even in the way of preparing their foods..

So to tell the difference between them and the new order of the Jews who were not following their religious traditions...and to warn people from being fool by their looks and avoid to go to their meetings ...they called them by some derogatory terms meaning that they were cut off from their traditional faith of their Fathers...certainly they could not call them "Idolaters" or "Samaritans" but they called them "Christians" a term giving a warning as the term "Samaritans" to warn people that those people were cut off from the Temple of God in Jerusalem...and the Atonement and other religious celebrations that took place there...like the four mandatory presentation before the Lord each year...

It meant to be a term to warn the nominal Jews and or Galatians that they are looking like a Jew or a Galilean and they speak like them and they come from families who were traditional Jewish or Galileans but themselves has abandoned the Covenant of Sinai and do not follow the teachings of Moses and have trade them for the teachings of Jesus Christ their claimed Messiah of God...they prozected them as being cut off from the Law and the people of God and the community of the traditional people who keep the Law...not abiding on the worships on the Temple..headed by the High Priest...

I tried my best... hope I did drive the point to where it had to go...

They look like a duck they sound like a duck they lay eggs like a duck but their offsprings they do not look like the other ducklings...they are a new breed of Ducklings...telling that their parents had the appearance of the ducts and the speech and the manner but they were not like the other ducks...a new breed of bird was under the appearance of the Duck. 

Calling them Christians denotes that they were a mix breed much like the Samaritans but not in the blood but in what they believe in the blood of their Atonement for the forgiveness of their sins. 

Huh? Have no idea what that has to do with me asking OP for her clarification.    But thanks anyway

[kwikphilly]

18 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

I give up, I'm sorry, I don't know how.  But, after many attempts, I have settled on these.  Don't know if they will help much but it isn't from a lack of trying.  

Do you think using the word Jewish is just another way to keep ALL Israel hidden like ALL were blinded, to keep the 'church' separate for the pre trib rapture theory?  
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Why are we using words in ways God didn't use them and why are we NOT using the ones He did? 



 

Well I'm glad you took a moment to condense everything in such a clear & concise way,for me- thank you!

Don't feel like that D" I give up".....sometimes we just have to try a couple of different ways to communicate our thoughts in how some can understand better... It takes some doing at times and probably because we don't have the luxury of looking at each other expressions & hearing each other's tone etc....It can be difficult to read and just not even know what you just finished reading because it all seems to be so,err " beige".... Lol,if you know what I mean❤️

So,yeah I do think it's a way of " separating" and it's highly likely there's an agenda,spiritual warfare of course.I don't know that it pertains to the " pre- trip rapture" theory ( which btw I don't subscribe to) but it is certainly a means to separate.

What I think we must consider is that God DID/ Does make certain separations though ."We" are the Called Out ones,a peculiar people- not OF the world but " separate".... The only 2 groups that I can see being " separate" according to God Himself is the Believer vs the unbeliever.... No matter Greek,Gentile,Jew,Slave or Free......

I don't Believe that it makes any difference what " the world" does or says to attempt to keep all of Israel hidden or blind from God's Truth if in fact that is the agenda - Holy Spirit Will open the Eyes of the heart of everyone who is " Called out"..... Then they are without excuse,they choose & will either stand with the Chosen or remain in darkness.

Thank you for the acknowledgement,I appreciate your consideration- be Blessed

In His Love,Kwik

[Deborah_]

On 1/5/2023 at 8:03 PM, DeighAnn said:

Why are we using words in ways God didn't use them and why are we NOT using the ones He did?

God spoke in the language that was being used at the time.

But language is constantly evolving, and words often change their meaning over decades and centuries. And when you translate from Hebrew or Greek into another language, the vocabulary often doesn't have exact equivalents anyway. 

One thing I've learned over 45 years of Bible study is that you can't put words into a straitjacket and force them to mean what you think they ought to mean. You have to look at the author's original circumstances and intentions, and then at the immediate context. And that does entail learning some of the history and background.

[DeighAnn]

4 hours ago, Deborah_ said:

God spoke in the language that was being used at the time.

But language is constantly evolving, and words often change their meaning over decades and centuries. And when you translate from Hebrew or Greek into another language, the vocabulary often doesn't have exact equivalents anyway. 

One thing I've learned over 45 years of Bible study is that you can't put words into a straitjacket and force them to mean what you think they ought to mean. You have to look at the author's original circumstances and intentions, and then at the immediate context. And that does entail learning some of the history and background.

From what I understand that is one of the reasons we have been given the Holy Spirit..  To keep us from 'the letter' and in the Spirit of Truth.  The ways of man and the ways of the world are some of the tools the Adversary uses to keep us blind.  

But yes, some words like 'comely' aren't at all the same, but context and precept on precept will work all that out.  BUT that takes study and seeking and well, as MOST Christians today will tell you, just confess His name, repent and saved forever.  TO BAD that isn't true

So, the problem I am having isn't with all the words BUT it is with the use of the word Jewish 'ALL ENCOMPASSING'S use.  Jewish is used for the Jews.  Jewish is used for Israel.  Jewish is used for the House of Judah.  Jewish is used for the House of Israel.  If all those things were the same, I would say OK, no problem.  BUT they aren't.  GOD MADE THE DISTINCTIONS so who are we to un-make them.  THEY tried to make them all one again and GOD SAID NO.  Why doesn't that matter?  Because we allow the word Jewish ourselves like it doesn't matter.  Sure,  it isn't going to matter to those of the world, but those seeking God, it does, and it will. Especially when 'works go up in flame' because not built upon a solid foundation. 
SO I am saying something. I am doing as commanded and I am rebuking the practice and those who do it and those who allow it. 

So, I'm just standing on the wall, giving a shout, and keeping the blood off myself.  I see every day as possibly my last day, my 'judgment' day and when I stand in front of the Lord and He inquires, 'Did you or did you NOT receive that conviction upon your heart and mind' and I say Yes, I surely don't want to follow it up with
'I thought it might not be received very well' so I just didn't say anything at all.  I wanted everyone to like me MORE than follow your command.  Could you imagine?  Nah, I am going to be hated in this world and I am going to be hated by those who think IT IS EASY to receive the gift of Salvation.  They think they can come to FAITH without any knowledge.  How does one know?  How does one tell the difference?  

Christians skip the 'schoolmaster' and go right to Christ.  Using the word Jewish is the result.  I can't tell you how many problems I have run into by the lack of the foundation in the Law and prophets, the 'wisdom and knowledge' of God and our heritage, but its A LOT.  I truly believe if 'the church' would have followed the ways Paul taught, using THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS AKA keeping the Old Test important as the New so as to KNOW what we were being told rather than try to keep us like 'babes', that we wouldn't even HAVE some of the 'theories' we have today that blind the seekers of  Gods truth and ultimately is going to be the reason for the FALLING AWAY of the daily sacrifices to GOD.  

OK, this is not a personal response to YOU at all, but to the question in general. I was asked to give more detail yesterday, which I couldn't really do, but seems ever since, I am finding more clarity.  So though you may not thank me, I do thank you for your response.  And I am just going to pray God bless you with a wonderful day.