Chosen to Salvation

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Just now, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

Ok, that makes more sense.

Unfortunately I wasn’t brought to Jesus that way...God did the choosing, drawing, and birthing....a supernatural act from God....

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There are many other situations as the situation the Gentiles had found them selves into.. For Generations they had been called derogatory and insulting names by the Jews like pigs or filthy animals broad up or born to destruction and to receive the wrath of God without any hope for them and then we have some "Jews " because they show the disciples of Jesus Christ as Jews who are preaching the Gospel to them and they were telling them that God wants them to believe very much as he wanted the Jews to believe in him...

That's where the disciples had to invite them to believe and persuade them that Jesus Christ wants them to believe because on the other hand at the same time were other Jews believers who were preaching that Jesus Christ is only for the Jews and he is going to set up the Kingdom for the Jews only...the Jewish kingdom and the Gentiles are not included...

That takes a lot of invitation and a lot of persuasion to let them know that they are now are loved by God and the past is gone and the new has come that God's children the most of them are from Gentile background...

This takes a lot of spiritual warfare...to come against that Spirit that does not want the Gentiles to believe...

Paul beg them to believe sort of...by telling them that he will bring the Gospel to the Gentiles because that what Jesus Christ was telling him to be a light to the Gentiles that God wanted to have children from the Gentile Nations. 

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8 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Because . . . ?

1 Peter 1:1-2
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

foreknowledge
NT:4267
proginosko (prog-in-oce'-ko); from NT:4253 and NT:1097; to know beforehand, i.e. foresee:
KJV - foreknow (ordain), know (before).

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2 hours ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

Good morning YCF,Be invited to believe in him, so he invites?

I have no understanding of any of that, as I wasn’t invited, I get extremely frustrated at times, because, I don’t understand this invitation or choosing, it just doesn’t speak to my heart,..

So Billy Graham et al got it wrong.

Like millions of people the world over I grew up attending and participating in evangelistic/evangelical meetings and services where the Gospel was preached and immediately followed by THE INVITATION to ACCEPT CHRIST.

Christ Himself makes THE INVITATION as the Gospel is preached.

  Mat 11:28-30
(28)  “Come to me, all you who labor and are heavily burdened, and I will give you rest.
(29)  Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart; and you will find rest for your souls.
(30)  For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

Joh 6:35
(35)  Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will not be hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.

Joh 7:37-39
(37)  Now on the last and greatest day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink!
(38)  He who believes in me, as the Scripture has said, from within him will flow rivers of living water.”
(39)  But he said this about the Spirit, which those believing in him were to receive. For the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus wasn’t yet glorified.
 

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30 minutes ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

Can you please explain, Billy Graham et all got it wrong, who is he?

Billy Graham was very direct and straightforward in his preaching of the Gospel. Other ministers said he didn't go deep into theology, nor was he particularly charismatic as a man, but the one thing he had in abundance was an anointing to lead millions to Christ through his "crusades" as they were called, not a term considered politically correct now for some time.

It seems you have some homework to do @Rosie1jack2pauline3

Billy Graham - Wikipedia

William Franklin Graham Jr. (November 7, 1918 – February 21, 2018) was an American evangelist and an ordained Southern Baptist minister who became well known internationally in the late 1940s. He was a prominent evangelical Christian figure, and according to a biographer, was "among the most influential Christian leaders" of the 20th century.^[2]

[FreeGrace]

12 hours ago, David1701 said:

Election (and predestination) are always positive, in the Bible; however, if God wants everyone to be saved, why did Jesus speak to many in parables, so that they would not understand?

Because not everyone wants to be saved.  The Jews all thought that their own works would save them.  Jesus spoke in parables to fulfill Scripture and speak truth to those who weren't interested and weren't listening.  John 6:45

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58 minutes ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

Found this an interesting read.

Looks like it’s the Father’s decision on who gets saved.

Of course.  Salvation of humans is His plan.  And 1 Cor 1:21 tells us specifically who God will save:  For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

God saves those who believe.  

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1 hour ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

Found this an interesting read.

Looks like it’s the Father’s decision on who gets saved.

What does it mean that God the Father gave people to the Son?

by Matt Slick | Jan 31, 2015 | Doctrine, Questions

Jesus said in John 6:37, “All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out.”  So, who are the ones who were given to the Son by the Father? 

It means God gives ALL believers to His Son.  Those are the ones who are saved.

What it doesn't mean is that God determines or chooses who will believe.

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4 minutes ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

God draws us to believe in Jesus, there was no way I could believe in Jesus, it sounds complicated, but it wasn’t, drawn  to belief, then regenerated, then faith....unless  one says  belief is faith, then yes, belief first then regeneration....

Unless one has clear verses that teach what they SAY, there is no reason to accept wht they SAY.  

We need to do what the Bereans did with Paul's preaching:  "search the Scriptures daily to see if what Paul SAID was true".

iow, did Paul's preaching match the Scriptures?

We know from the account of Lydia, WHY God "opened her heart to believe".  She was a "worshiper of God".

iow, she, like Cornelius, learned from what God revealed to everyone (Rom 1:1-19-21) and responded to it.  She believed that God existed as Creator and worshiped Him the only way she could.  So God gave her the means by which to understand the gospel, and she and Cornelius both believed when they were presented the gospel.

There is no evidence for either Lydia or Cornelius that God "made" or "caused" either one to believe what they wouldn't have otherwise believed.

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58 minutes ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

God draws all believers to his Son.

 

Bible > John > Chapter 6 > Verse 44 ◄ John 6:44 ►  Context    Crossref    Comment    Greek

And John 6:45 tells us who will actuallly come to Jesus:  those who have listened and learned from the Father.

 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.

It's always about choice.  Some have chosen to listen and learn from the Father, just like Lydia and Cornelius.

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57 minutes ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

God draws us to his Son to believe in him, he chooses,he draws and he births...right from birth I was being drawn to Jesus by God...belief comes from God,100% faith comes from God, which is a supernatural act, it’s called saving faith...he opens our eyes and heart, just like he did Lydia, he also testifies with our spirit that we are his child, an amazing act of mercy and grace.

There are no verses that say that "belief comes from God".  In fact, Rom 10:10 says very plainly that "man believes from the heart".  Not from God.

Let's just stick with what the Bible says.