Jesus miracles

[Wayne222]

          The Lord did a lot of miracles. Walking on water. Feeding hundreds with a few fish and bread. Raising a dead man. Giving sight to a completely blind man. The Apostles did miracles too. Could it be either God is working different now or we don't have the gift of miracles and healing like they did. I personally feel it was to authentic the office they held. Which no one holds today. God also did mighty miracles with Moses as a shepherd and prophet of Isarel. It's the office that God gives signs and wonders to authentic as proof of God's working through. God will do miracles now still as needed. He will send Angels if he wills. But not like back then. Those offices are already fulfilled. When the two witnesses come they will do miracles. They hold the office of prophets of God. You will not generally walk into a church and see a pastor do miracles or real miracles. Not his office like a Moses or our Lord Jesus. 

[OneLight]

1 hour ago, Wayne222 said:

          The Lord did a lot of miracles. Walking on water. Feeding hundreds with a few fish and bread. Raising a dead man. Giving sight to a completely blind man. The Apostles did miracles too. Could it be either God is working different now or we don't have the gift of miracles and healing like they did. I personally feel it was to authentic the office they held. Which no one holds today. God also did mighty miracles with Moses as a shepherd and prophet of Isarel. It's the office that God gives signs and wonders to authentic as proof of God's working through. God will do miracles now still as needed. He will send Angels if he wills. But not like back then. Those offices are already fulfilled. When the two witnesses come they will do miracles. They hold the office of prophets of God. You will not generally walk into a church and see a pastor do miracles or real miracles. Not his office like a Moses or our Lord Jesus. 

Are you saying that you do not believe the Gifts of the Spirit are active today?

1 Corinthians 12:4-11

There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.  There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord.  And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all.  But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.  But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.

Do you believe the ministries have also ceased?

1 Corinthians 12:27-31

Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually.  And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.  Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles?  Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?  But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way.

If you believe they are no longer for the church today, when were they removed and why?  I have yet to find the answer to these questions in scripture.

[R. Hartono]

9 hours ago, Wayne222 said:

          The Lord did a lot of miracles. Walking on water. Feeding hundreds with a few fish and bread. Raising a dead man. Giving sight to a completely blind man. The Apostles did miracles too. Could it be either God is working different now or we don't have the gift of miracles and healing like they did. I personally feel it was to authentic the office they held. Which no one holds today. God also did mighty miracles with Moses as a shepherd and prophet of Isarel. It's the office that God gives signs and wonders to authentic as proof of God's working through. God will do miracles now still as needed. He will send Angels if he wills. But not like back then. Those offices are already fulfilled. When the two witnesses come they will do miracles. They hold the office of prophets of God. You will not generally walk into a church and see a pastor do miracles or real miracles. Not his office like a Moses or our Lord Jesus.

Are you saying the office of Holy Spirit already closed just because nobody is used for healing in your city ? Look at pastor Joshua in Nigeria, he was used to HEAL people around the world, just died last year. 

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

There are no Prophets or Apostles today,  but God DEFINITELY does miracles today. I think he does them in secret. God isn't trying to get on the news and does most miracles in secret.

[Jaydub]

4 hours ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:

There are no Prophets or Apostles today,  but God DEFINITELY does miracles today. I think he does them in secret. God isn't trying to get on the news and does most miracles in secret.

I am curious as to why you think this, In Joel and acts we are told prophesy will still happen, so I am curious as to why you feel there are no prophets

As for apostles I have no opinion and would just like to know why you feel this way, thanks

 

Joel 2

“And afterward,
    I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
    your old men will dream dreams,
    your young men will see visions.
²⁹ Even on my servants, both men and women,
    I will pour out my Spirit in those days.
³⁰ I will show wonders in the heavens
    and on the earth,
    blood and fire and billows of smoke.
³¹ The sun will be turned to darkness
    and the moon to blood
    before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.

[OneLight]

6 hours ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:

There are no Prophets or Apostles today ... snip

I don't believe this is an open and shut case like you present it.  I do believe that God cannot find anyone who's heart is right for these positions today, not that the offices are closed.  God may appoint someone to these positions in the future.  Many of those who claim to hold these offices today are self appointed.

[Wayne222]

18 hours ago, OneLight said:

Are you saying that you do not believe the Gifts of the Spirit are active today?

1 Corinthians 12:4-11

There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.  There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord.  And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all.  But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.  But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.

Do you believe the ministries have also ceased?

1 Corinthians 12:27-31

Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually.  And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.  Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles?  Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?  But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way.

If you believe they are no longer for the church today, when were they removed and why?  I have yet to find the answer to these questions in scripture.

Hi One light. I also like you, believe in the gifts. But there is a big difference in the way God works in his Apostles and in Jesus then in the gifts to the body of Christ. Every person who came to Jesus was healed. Except in his home town because they did not believe in him. 

[Wayne222]

10 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Are you saying the office of Holy Spirit already closed just because nobody is used for healing in your city ? Look at pastor Joshua in Nigeria, he was used to HEAL people around the world, just died last year. 

I know people are still healed. But not many. I mean true cases. 

[R. Hartono]

44 minutes ago, Wayne222 said:

I know people are still healed. But not many. I mean true cases. 

True.

Many healing are only fake suggestive healing performed by cons.

[OneLight]

40 minutes ago, Wayne222 said:

Hi One light. I also like you, believe in the gifts. But there is a big difference in the way God works in his Apostles and in Jesus then in the gifts to the body of Christ. Every person who came to Jesus was healed. Except in his home town because they did not believe in him. 

First, Jesus is God even when He was a man.  Fully God/Fully Man.  You will find nobody ever that could do what he did.  Remember though, we only know of what is in scripture.

I am sure God would appoint prophets and apostles today if He found one who was fit for those offices.  Remember what Jesus himself said in Luke 18:8b

Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?

I do believe that the condition of the heart in the most devout Christian today would not compare to the hearts of those who were Prophets and Apostles.  God would not just appoint people to an office just to fill it.  If it's empty, there is a reason, not that it is closed.