Is the Church Christ?

[Marilyn C]

2 hours ago, 1to3 said:

 

Exactly, no one is taking literally that Jesus is a rock any more than a believer will start having branches come our their bodies bearing fruit like grapes, or that we all become of the female sex and end up  consummating our relationship with Christ Jesus  ( God forbid) in a sexual manner  or that we become a literal branch or a vine or for that matter that Christ Jesus is a bleating bah bad farm animal waking on four legs.

My goodness, were are you coming up with ideas like that?

No one on this thread has made any such claims as you seem to be alluding to. .

Perhaps you where the one who misinterpreted what your friend from the land of oz was referring too? unless of course she was clicking her heals and taking about Munchkin Country.lol.

 

Did you read @George post? Do you think @George thinks Christ Jesus is a literal rock or that >the bride means we all become of the female sex and end up sexually consummating (God forbid) our relationship with our Lord and Savior ChristJesus?

 

https://www.worthydevotions.com/christian-devotional/prepare-to-be-married#respond

 

Hi 1to3,

Glad you don`t think that. Over here people are calling certain songs, `Jesus my boyfriend songs.` 

So, we know from God`s word that there are no marriages in heaven -

`Jesus answered.....For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like the angels in heaven.`  (Matt. 22: 30)

So....what do you mean when you say that you will marry Jesus or words to that affect?

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Marathoner said:

I haven't been paying any attention to whatever is going on, my friend. I've been accused of many things over the years, and I learned not to answer accusers. 

I don't have to be too sensitive and I expect that no everyone is taking the time to think thoroughly the proper words they need to Express themselves and some times their vocabulary is not rich...and I let it go..it's no a big deal and I do not want to make it a big deal...

I understand people are not perfect... but we still need to carry a conversation...

Some things we need to leave them to Jesus...

 

Edited February 4, 2023 by Your closest friendnt

[Your closest friendnt]

8 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi 1to3,

Glad you don`t think that. Over here people are calling certain songs, `Jesus my boyfriend songs.` 

So, we know from God`s word that there are no marriages in heaven -

`Jesus answered.....For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like the angels in heaven.`  (Matt. 22: 30)

So....what do you mean when you say that you will marry Jesus or words to that affect?

There is a passage from Paul in Roman's that it has been misused. 

Paul said love your wives the way the Lord loves the church...

In other words Paul wants to comunicate to believers who had learn to see Jesus as the Lord in the Sinai Covenant...an eye against and eye and a tooth against a tooth and an arm against an arm...and stone the adulterer and stone the old man who has alzheimers and does not know it is the Sabbath day....Paul is telling them that the Lord cares for you and he is forgiving and he turns the other chick...that he is love...

Next the parable of the ten virgins the endurance of the bride...who went out to meet the bridegroom as it was their custom..

They say that the ten virgins they were the ten brides of the bridegroom...and they were to marry the bridegroom...

They were the "brides maids" part of the bride's weding party...

The scriptures also are giving instructions to the believers to prepared them selves in a similar way the bride makes her self attractive for the groom....meaning not to sin and to forgive...thank you for asking..

Edited February 4, 2023 by Your closest friendnt

[Vine Abider]

So here we are - more than 2 or 3 gathered together having a conversation about "Is the church Christ?". Would anyone looking upon this conversation see Christ clearly?  Probably not. 

But that's OK - we're just like the larger church.  That is, by sight it pretty much looks a mess, but by faith, we see Jesus!

(and in the words of that famous street prognosticator from the 90s, Rodney King, "Can't we all jus' git along!?")

Edited February 5, 2023 by Vine Abider
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[1to3]

11 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi 1to3,

 

So....what do you mean when you say that you will marry Jesus or words to that affect?

 

Hello @Marilyn C;

 So what I mean? lol I already wrote as best I could what I mean, please I suggest you go back and re-read to better understand, and then ask me again what you do not understand from what I wrote.  If you do not care to re-read what I already wrote here in this post then please read

 @Georgepage on the subject matter?

https://www.worthydevotions.com/christian-devotional/prepare-to-be-married#respond

 

After reading @Georges page on the subject matter, please let me know what seems still unclear to you or what you don't agree with in @George post on the subject matter.

I really would like to know.

Thanks;

1to3

Edited February 4, 2023 by 1to3
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[farouk]

10 hours ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

God is the rock on what we stand, “ His Word”....that’s my interpretation of God is our rock...also in “ HIS STRENGTH “everything can only be done in the Lords strength.the flesh profits “ nothing”  I’m still learning about that darn flesh, I’m open to correction if in error.

No one can erase his word, once planted by God in the heart of his child.

God’s word will never die...

1 I love you, LORD, my strength. 

2 The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.

 

Psalm 71:3 ESV / 13 helpful votes

Be to me a rock of refuge, to which I may continually come; you have given the command to save me, for you are my rock and my fortress.

John 14:6 ESV / 7 helpful votes

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Matthew 7:26 ESV / 6 helpful votes

And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.

Similar to Psalm 46....... @Rosie1jack2pauline3

[1to3]

9 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Over here people are calling certain songs, `Jesus my boyfriend songs.` 

 

There is absolutely no reference at all in Gods Word of us having a romantic-sexual relationship with our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus.

This is a very twisted demonic thinking that comes from satan.

Anyone thinking of us having a romantic-sexual relationship with our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus.  is in an apostate demonic church.

Your comment Marylin just shows how twisted the Word of God is to those lacking the Holy Spirit of God within them.

Also I do not know how lacking the educational system has gotten in your land of oz or anywhere else for that matter , to not be able to SEE a Parable for what it is.

 

For those reading who do not know what a parable is:

. a parable expresses abstract points of argument through concrete narratives in the story.

. A parable is a powerful literary device that uses human characters to communicate a moral lesson. Found throughout the Old Testament and New Testament, there are numerous examples of parables in the Bible that are used to communicate a spiritual lesson.

The Parables of Jesus are scattered throughout the Bible. Examples include the Parable of the Sower, the Parable of the Yeast, the Parable of the Hidden Treasure, and the Parable of the Mustard Seed.

. An

• allegory is a broad literary device. It is used as a metaphor and sends a broader message about morals to the reader. In contrast, a parable is usually shorter, brief, and direct. The meaning of a parable is not usually hidden.
• An allegory commonly uses the forces of nature, inanimate objects, plants, and characters to tell a story. In contrast, human characters directly communicate the moral lesson in a parable.
• Parables are usually closely associated with religious works. Allegories are not necessarily limited to religion.

Both allegories and parables are powerful literary tools that are used to communicate important messages and meanings

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Edited February 4, 2023 by 1to3

[existential mabel]

19 hours ago, farouk said:

I think I remember you quoting from C R Rolls before, @Marilyn C...

yes lol i thought Maz was meaning RC Sproul lol  anyway i found out that RC Sproul is a Calvinist.

@Marilyn C how can i find C R Rolls on the internet? cant find him...thanks

Edited February 4, 2023 by existential mabel

[DeighAnn]

On 1/26/2023 at 12:23 PM, Vine Abider said:

I read something in a devotional last week that I've been wanting to post and I've done that below.  After I read it, I also thought of a few verses (in blue) that seem to support the idea that the church really is Christ.  Of course, when we believers look at each other, we usually see all kinds of things less heavenly . .  .  But what would the body be if the one Spirit wasn't in us all?  We would be just another organization or collection, not one organic body.

What do you think saints? 

"Unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain." John 12:24

"But when God . . . was pleased o reveal His Son in me."  Galatians 1:15-16

"God put everything under His feet and made Him head over everything for the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all."  Ephesians 1:22-23

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"For as the body is one and has many members, but all the
members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is
Christ." 1 CORINTHIANS 12:12

Not only is Christ the Christian life, but He is also the reality
of the church life. Apart from Him there is no church. We must
understand that the practice of the church issues from the centrality
of Christ. Christ is our relationship with one another (Col. 3:11).
Because He is in all of us, we are related to each other in Him. We
do not need to "join" the church. We do not sign up to become
members of the church. The church comes into our spirit when we
receive Christ. The church is in all of us because the church is Christ.
We recognize Christ! When we recognize Christ, we recognize the
church! The reality of the church is a Person. It is not a doctrine. It
is not a way. It is not a man. It is Christ Himself. So wherever Christ
is, there is the church. The best we can do is simply to see it,
acknowledge it, receive one another, and say "Amen."

We receive one another because we have all been received by
God (Rom. 14:3). We have been redeemed by the same blood. We
have the same one Father (Eph. 4:6). There is only one "Abba," one
Father, and He is in all of us (Rom. 8:15; Gal. 4:6). So what do we
do? We say, "We are in the same family!" This is the church. It is
so simple.

There is something already existing between us. God put it into
us. It is called the oneness of the Spirit (Eph. 4:3). We learn to
recognize this oneness of the Spirit between us and to keep it in our
relationships. This oneness is so precious because it is made up of
the oneness of the Father and the Son. The oneness between the
Father and the Son is now embodied in the Spirit. Thus, through
Christ as the life-giving Spirit entering into us, we have been
admitted into Their oneness! Because of Christ, Their oneness has
now become our oneness. This is the church.

 

Instead of Christ walking around in person, 

all of us, AS A COLLECTIVE do.   God refers to 'the collective' as 'the church'.  

God loves the collective.  Loves His people.  Has expectations of His people.  There is power in numbers.  He loves us like we would a spouse in that taking care of us is very important.  He wants us to love Him like we would a spouse in that we put HIM number one in our life.  

We are the children of God no different that the OT children of God, carrying forward under grace rather than by law.  

When it comes to death and/or resurrection, IT WILL NEVER be done as a group called 'the church' until Christs return as LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS

and even then we aren't called 

the church

but the ALIVE and REMAINING.  Individuals who have overcome the one sent to overcome. 



Even to the messages to the CHURCHES are plural, yet every message ended the same

to HIM that...to the individual that...


To make a 'doctrine' out of the word Church and give it meaning outside of what is written is a really bad idea, to teach such a thing will end up causing one to be found naked.  

[Marilyn C]

6 hours ago, existential mabel said:

yes lol i thought Maz was meaning RC Sproul lol  anyway i found out that RC Sproul is a Calvinist.

@Marilyn C how can i find C R Rolls on the internet? cant find him...thanks

Hi mabel,

He is on Wikipedia as to who he is, but I don`t know of any videos of his on the internet.  

Just found 2 audio tapes.

https://voicesforchrist.org/speakers/show/333

Charles J Rolls, Missionary in India for ten years, Dean of the New Zealand Bible Training Institute, Auckland, N. Z., Dean of Education, The Kansas City Bible College, Missouri, U.S.A., Dean of the Missionary and Bible College, Sydney, was the author of several helpful books, many of which are still in print.