Four questions for YECs - (and a little history of creationism vs evolution)

[dad2]

3 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

If you have to make up new and completely undetectable laws of nature for which there is no evidence whatever, to make your imagined events work, isn't that a pretty good clue for you?

 

To claim we know nature was the same or will be in the millennium is making stuff up.

[dad2]

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He said that Adam had become like him.  

You seem to be conflating what Satan said with what God said!

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But as you know, scripture never said that Adam was immortal, and God acknowledges that he was not. 

Only if they choose to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil could and would they die. That means they would not die if they did not.

 

God said this

 

Genesis 2:17

 

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

 

Satan said this

Genesis 3:1

 

Now the serpent -- said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Genesis 3:5

 

For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

You see it was Satan that said they would be as gods, NOT God.

Edited July 28, 2023 by dad2

[The Barbarian]

8 hours ago, dad2 said:

To claim we know nature was the same or will be in the millennium is making stuff up.

To claim that nature was different is to make up fairy tales to fit your wishes.    There's no scriptural basis for your new doctrines, nor is there any evidence to support them.   But the evidence does show that nature worked the same way in the past.   Would you like to learn how we know?

 

[The Barbarian]

9 hours ago, dad2 said:

To claim we know nature was the same or will be in the millennium is making stuff up.

No, that's wrong.   For example, we know that the speed of light hasn't changed significantly for billions of years.   Would you like to know how we know that?

 

[dad2]

6 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

To claim that nature was different is to make up fairy tales to fit your wishes.    There's no scriptural basis for your new doctrines, nor is there any evidence to support them.   But the evidence does show that nature worked the same way in the past.   Would you like to learn how we know?

 

To claim we believe in the bible while denying the realities it records in the past is delusion. To deny that science cannot and does not know either the state of the future or past is delusional.

[dad2]

18 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

He said that Adam had become like him.   But as you know, scripture never said that Adam was immortal, and God acknowledges that he was not. 

I know how much you want scripture to say that Adam was immortal.   But it doesn't.   Find a way to accept God's word as it is.

 

Lurkers here is who said that, actually

Genesis 3:5

 

For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

 

(Satan speaking)

 

[dad2]

4 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

No, that's wrong.   For example, we know that the speed of light hasn't changed significantly for billions of years.   Would you like to know how we know that?

 

No one said the speed of light changed. The speed light can travel depends on the nature of the medium it exists in.

[The Barbarian]

16 minutes ago, dad2 said:

No one said the speed of light changed.

So what do you think has changed?

 

[The Barbarian]

24 minutes ago, dad2 said:

Lurkers here is who said that, actually

Genesis 3:5

 

For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

 

(Satan speaking)

Genesis 3:22 And he said: Behold Adam is become as one of us, knowing good and evil: now, therefore, lest perhaps he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.

(God speaking)

I believe Him.   You should, too.   Your problem is you don't appreciate how devious satan can be.   It is his specialty to deceive by telling part of the truth.   You see, satan is a Biblical literalist.   Adam and Eve did not die physically that day.    They died spiritually.  But satan dishonestly interpreted it as a physical death to deceive them.

He still does that.   And it works surprisingly well for him.

 

 

Edited July 28, 2023 by The Barbarian

[Retrobyter]

On 5/30/2023 at 9:23 PM, ChristB4us said:

Unlike Chronicles & Kings, more of a "historical footnote" ( in a form of a Book ) on Jehu more than a testimony of God's dealings with Jehu.

Shalom, ChristB4us.

It's also important because Jehu was one one the few kings of Israel (the Northern Kingdom) during the reign of Shalmanezer III of Ashuwr (Assyria) mentioned in the records of Assyria.

I personally LIKE what was said of Jehu:

King Jehu was a man who had served for years as a commander in the army of Israel (2 Kings 9:5), and was infamous for the ferocious way he drove his chariot (2 Kings 9:20). One day, while in a council of war, a prophet arrived and anointed him king of Israel, and gave him a message from the Lord: “You shall strike down the house of Ahab your master, so that I may avenge on Jezebel the blood of my servants the prophets, and the blood of all the servants of the LORD” (2 Kings 9:7). In the bloody coup that followed, Jehu killed Joram, king of Israel, Ahaziah, king of Judah, and Jezebel, the Queen mother. He further arranged for the murder of “all who remained of the house of Ahab in Jezreel, all his great men and his close friends and his priests, until he left him none remaining.” (2 Kings 10:11). Then, Jehu deceitfully called for a solemn assembly for Baal, at which he slaughtered the prophets, priests and worshipers, and demolished the temple of Baal. (2 Kings 10:25-27). Having secured the throne, Jehu reigned over Israel for 28 years from ca. 841-814 BC.

See King Jehu an Archaeological Biography.

THAT'S "a man after God's own heart!"