The End of this Age

[FreeGrace]

12 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

FreeGrace said: 

Please note who has been IN the LOF for 1,000 years already:  "the beast and FP".  They are human beings.  And carefully note the final sentence, which begins with "THEY".  Who are the "they"?  Beast, FP and Satan.

 a 7 headed man, with that, I take leave of the conversation.   

Generally what happens when one's theory gets refuted by Scripture;  incoherent words, and then bowing out.

[FreeGrace]

12 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Your are correct, there is A WAY in which to twist what is written to make itsay something else

Please show me what verses I've twisted to make it say something else.  That's the least you should do, given your claim.  iow, evidence please.

12 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Consuming fires consume. Man has a part.  AND STILL NO SCRIPTURES FROM YOU.  I'll wait.  

I did give them and you don't like them.  Simple enough.  And yes, a consuming fire WILL absolutely consume a mortal body.

But will absolutely NOT consume an immortal soul.

Why any professing believer would ignore or worse, reject Rev 20:10 is beyond me.

[FreeGrace]

12 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Changed yes, resurrected no.  One needs to be dead to be resurrected.  Those in 1 Thes 4:17 are Alive in Christ (they go up in the Rapture), not Dead in Christ.  These Dead in Christ are the first individuals to be changed and immediately next are those Alive in Christ which are changed.

OK, if you want to split hairs.  But my point is that both the dead saints that ARE resurrected AND the living saints who are changed will receive the EXACT SAME KIND OF BODY, which we all call a resurrection body.  

So regardless of whether dead or alive "when He comes" ALL believers will take part in receiving a glorified immortal body.  

12 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Gal 2:20 - I have been crucified with Christ, Rom 8:10,11 - But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness.  And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.

This is the Church's, (the Body of Christ) Resurrection.  It has already happened.  Our resurrection is complete because of the Spirit who lives in us, we just have not received are new transformed bodies.

See above.

You don't have to buy it.

If one has not been crucified with Christ, and the Spirit who lives in you has not given your dead mortal sinful body life, you have not experienced a resurrection.

But if one has been crucified with Christ, and the Spirit who lives in us has given our dead sinful mortal body life, We have been Resurrected.  There is the Church, Spirit filled.  Then there are those of Israel, not Spirit filled yet, and the rest of the Just, not Spirit filled yet.  Different resurrections for the Just at different times.

In Christ

Montana Marv

I suppose there is a point in all this, but you didn't make note of it.  Great passage!

[FreeGrace]

12 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Thank you for proving my point. The multiple harvest teaching here was from The Light, not me.

Interesting comment, since I never proved your point, which I strongly disagree with.

12 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Rev. 20 says nothing about the Tribulation. That is purely your spec, without any evidence. The only GT reference in Rev. is in Rev. 7, right after the 6th Seal events. Where it should be.

Did I say Rev 20 is about the Tribulation?  Can you show me any quote of mine where I did?  Obviously Rev 20 is AFTER the tribulation.  I DID mention martyrs FROM the tribulation, becaused Rev 20:4 SAYS it.  Maybe that confused you.

12 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Ditto. You make unsupported claims, then demand proof from others. But you have provided no coherent argument for Rev. 4-20 as a whole, rather just lock on to a short passage in 20 as being sufficient for your claims.

Every claim I make has Scripture to support it.  What you do with the evidence is on you.  

brtw, regarding Rev 4-20, I've never addressed all those chapters as a whole, so your comment is bizarre.  I've provided NO ARGUMENT, yet you call it "not coherent" when there isn't even any.

OK, show me from my comments about Rev 20 what isn't accurate.

[FreeGrace]

8 hours ago, kenny2212 said:

You've not responded to my post. Please respond to my post. Respond to this -

Yes I did.

8 hours ago, kenny2212 said:

"Of what use is Jesus' sharing of this information if God is never going to do the information?

I answered this.

8 hours ago, kenny2212 said:

You're contradicting yourself. Why should we fear God for something he won't do?

No, I'm not.  I answered this too.

8 hours ago, kenny2212 said:

You said "As I already pointed out, God never wastes words.  He IS able to destroy both body and soul.  But will He?  Where does the Bible SAY that He will?  Where does the Bible show that He will?  Do you have any evidence for that action?""

So, where is YOUR evidence for God actually destroying souls?  That's what I asked for.

[kenny2212]

30 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Yes I did.

I answered this.

No, I'm not.  I answered this too.

So, where is YOUR evidence for God actually destroying souls?  That's what I asked for.

Answered it where? Didn't see anything.

My evidence - Why should we fear God over what he won't do? + If God will not do what he said in Matthew 10:28 then God is wasting words.

Edited March 17, 2023 by kenny2212

[FreeGrace]

25 minutes ago, kenny2212 said:

Answered it where? Didn't see anything.

My evidence - Why should we fear God over what he won't do? + If God will not do what he said in Matthew 10:28 then God is wasting words.

Re-check my posts to you.  I answer everything in order.

I will re-state the point I already made.  God has ultimate power.  That's why we should fear/respect Him.   Again, there are no wasted words.

btw, how come you haven't given any evidence that God WILL destroy souls?  Do you have any such evidence?  
That is also the point.  You don't have any.

[kenny2212]

16 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Re-check my posts to you.  I answer everything in order.

I will re-state the point I already made.  God has ultimate power.  That's why we should fear/respect Him.   Again, there are no wasted words.

btw, how come you haven't given any evidence that God WILL destroy souls?  Do you have any such evidence?  
That is also the point.  You don't have any.

Absolutely, God has ultimate power and we need to fear him and He knows we need to fear him without him having to say anything. So Jesus wouldn't have said what he said if there was no need to.

I don't think you're here to learn. You just want to be right. Arguing for 42 pages although saying rubbish. May God have mercy on you.

[WilliamL]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

14 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Thank you for proving my point. The multiple harvest teaching here was from The Light, not me.

Interesting comment, since I never proved your point, which I strongly disagree with.

My point was that you didn't listen to what I had actually said. Again. And your above statement shows that you did it again!! You project onto me things I have not said; just like you project your own beliefs into the scriptures! You are living in your own alternate reality.

2 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Did I say Rev 20 is about the Tribulation?  Can you show me any quote of mine where I did?  Obviously Rev 20 is AFTER the tribulation.  I DID mention martyrs FROM the tribulation, becaused Rev 20:4 SAYS it.

Rev 20:4 never mentions the word "tribulation." Again, you project your views into the Word.

2 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

regarding Rev 4-20, I've never addressed all those chapters as a whole, so your comment is bizarre.  I've provided NO ARGUMENT, yet you call it "not coherent" when there isn't even any.

And again, you use quote marks -- "not coherent" -- for a phrase I did not use. You are living in your own alternate reality.

[FreeGrace]

41 minutes ago, kenny2212 said:

Absolutely, God has ultimate power and we need to fear him and He knows we need to fear him without him having to say anything.

Of course He has to make the point.  Why would you think everyone would know that?

41 minutes ago, kenny2212 said:

So Jesus wouldn't have said what he said if there was no need to.

I don't think you're here to learn. You just want to be right. Arguing for 42 pages although saying rubbish. May God have mercy on you.

I'm here to defend truth.  Doesn't everyone "want to be right"?  Do you not want to be right?  

Can you actually prove your claim that I only "say rubbish"?  If not, then you need to take it back.  But we'll see what comes  of this.