How does one glorify that which is Glory?

[farouk]

27 minutes ago, Sower said:

 I can Glorify God the Father. You can Glorify God the Father.

"Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; "

 Jesus produces the fruit. We bear what He produced, IF we abide. This bearing Jesus' fruit Glorifies the Father!

We can do nothing, nothing, unless we abide in Christ.

 

John 15

"I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman .

Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he prunes it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

Abide in me, and I in you.   Jesus produces the fruit. We bear what He produced.

Abide in me, and I in you.   Jesus produces the fruit. We bear what He produced.

As the branch (us) cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit:

for without me ye can do nothing.

If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 11

These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

12This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you"

 

**To “abide” is a verb. It is active. Abiding in Christ is not a feeling or a belief, but something we do. It means to “remain” or “stay” and entails far more than the idea of continued belief in the Savior. John 15:5 further illustrates this abiding relationship with a parallel relationship of a vine and a branch.

Jesus is the vine that we, the branches, are attached to, and that produces all fruit that we can only bear,
yet that abiding we do is what bears fruit that GLORIFIES the Father!

So yes, Neighbor, you can GLORIFY God the Father!    cool, huh...........

 

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Thoughtful post......

[Sower]

39 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

Interesting, I will do a bit of a reread and then study a little later on  in the evening. Thanks!

That's cool, Neighbor. And below is a little understanding of my study, explaining my understanding.

John 15 is a chapter in scripture I have studied more than any other, because of initial misunderstanding.
Because as new believer  I read in the 2nd verse that God "purges" the branches that bears fruit. This bothered me.

Now why would our Father the vinedresser/tender "purge" us if we bore fruit. I thought that was punishment.
Then, a year or so later, I acquired a small living version new testament, and happened to read John 15, specifically the second verse.

It said God  "prunes" the branches that bear fruit.  The light bulb went off in  my mind! Prunes instead of purges.
It is the Father that 'prunes' the branches that are attached to the true vine, His Son, as He is the vine tender.

I learned how an actual vineyard has a vine tender whose job is to cut off all unnecessary growth on the branches. (us)
Where I live we have wild Mustang grape vines that have branches 20-40 foot long. And very little fruit!
They are so long and pervasive they can choke out an Oak tree to death, they are so wildly aggressive.

In an actual orchard the vine trunk is only 6-8 foot tall, and has 6-8 foot long branches, maybe 4-6 branches each side.
And the fruit clusters are very large. I have seen pictures of a cluster that took two men to carry one cluster on a pole.

My point is as we abide, we are being pruned, and sometimes it seems a lot of stuff is going wrong.
We may lose a job or a friend, or even our church, car break down, or an illness etc. Doesn't always mean chastisement.

Nor discipline, and could be simply us being pruned. Losing a friend that wasn't the best influence for a mentor.
Better church for our particular part. Smaller home but paid for, etc. Facilitating more fruit.
God's ways are not like we would always understand, usually till later, when we see the fruit.

The more we abide, the more fruit we bear. This fruit is produced by Jesus, and flows through us so as we are abiding, like the branch of the true vine,  we bear it. His fruit. Has nothing to do with our 'glory', but our obedience to abide.

We can do nothing without Christ. In Christ we can do all things. Not I but Christ. We bear His fruit. For others.

The fruit, coming from the Son, that you bear while abiding, making visible to others, Glorifies the Father.

That is what my bible tells me. And that's cool...:)

 

 

[Wayne222]

     I want to see Jesus glory. A light that would kill us now. We need our immortal bodies to see his glory. For some reason when we see his glory we will know him as he is. That will Glorified him by us seeing him as he is. 

[Neighbor]

On 3/9/2023 at 7:36 AM, Mr. M said:

43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory.

It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 

Abiding in the Holy Spirit insures that the Lord is glorified by our lives.

John 16:

 

So "Abiding in the Holy Spirit insures that the Lord is glorified by our lives." was not intended to  appear as a quotation of verse 43, but is your personal commentary is that right?

[Mr. M]

46 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

So "Abiding in the Holy Spirit insures that the Lord is glorified by our lives." was not intended to  appear as a quotation of verse 43, but is your personal commentary is that right?

The post was in two parts. Two personal comments, with a citation to support:

The Glory of the Saints is revealed at the Resurrection.

1 Corinthians 15:

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption,

it is raised in incorruption. 

43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory.

It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Abiding in the Holy Spirit insures that the Lord is glorified by our lives.

John 16:

13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth;

for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak;

and He will tell you things to come. 

14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 

 

Part One

The Glory of the Saints is revealed at the Resurrection.

1 Corinthians 15:43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory.

Part Two

Abiding in the Holy Spirit insures that the Lord is glorified by our lives.

John 16:14 He will glorify Me

 

[Vine Abider]

17 hours ago, Sower said:

 I can Glorify God the Father. You can Glorify God the Father.

"Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; "

 Jesus produces the fruit. We bear what He produced, IF we abide. This bearing Jesus' fruit Glorifies the Father!

We can do nothing, nothing, unless we abide in Christ.

 

John 15

"I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman .

Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he prunes it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

Abide in me, and I in you.   Jesus produces the fruit. We bear what He produced.

Abide in me, and I in you.   Jesus produces the fruit. We bear what He produced.

As the branch (us) cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit:

for without me ye can do nothing.

If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 11

These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

12This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you"

 

**To “abide” is a verb. It is active. Abiding in Christ is not a feeling or a belief, but something we do. It means to “remain” or “stay” and entails far more than the idea of continued belief in the Savior. John 15:5 further illustrates this abiding relationship with a parallel relationship of a vine and a branch.

Jesus is the vine that we, the branches, are attached to, and that produces all fruit that we can only bear,
yet that abiding we do is what bears fruit that GLORIFIES the Father!

So yes, Neighbor, you can GLORIFY God the Father!    cool, huh...........

 

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I'll piggy-back on this, as I think it's a correct focus.  I heard once that "Gods glory is God expressed."  We bear His image and likeness to express Him.  How do we do that in the new covenant?  He lives in us.  So the question is, how much do we deny the self and let Him live through us?

This verse comes to mind:

"We all with unveiled face, beholding (and reflecting) as in a mirror, the glory of the Lord are being transformed into the same image, from glory to glory, even as from the Lord the Spirit."  2 Corinthians 3:18

Without His life abiding in us and also being expressed through us, how can He be glorified? (not by our efforts)

Edited March 10, 2023 by Vine Abider
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[Sower]

4 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

I'll piggy-back on this, as I think it's a correct focus.  I heard once that "Gods glory is God expressed."  We bear His image and likeness to express Him.  How do we do that in the new covenant?  He lives in us.  So the question is, how much do we deny the self and let Him live through us?

This verse comes to mind:

"We all with unveiled face, beholding (and reflecting) as in a mirror, the glory of the Lord are being transformed into the same image, from glory to glory, even as from the Lord the Spirit."  2 Corinthians 3:18

Without His life abiding in us and also being expressed through us, how can He be glorified? (not by our efforts)

I suppose VA, for me it is a no brainer, and cannot understand why others do not understand what simple scripture says.

Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself,
unless it abides in the vine,
neither can you, unless you abide in me.

“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit;
apart from me you can do nothing.

"By this my Father is glorified,

that you bear much fruit

and so prove to be my disciples"      John 15

We cannot produce fruit, only bear the fruit that Jesus produces, and gives to those who are abiding in Him,
only to bear, or make visible, not consume upon ourselves,  but for others.

The point is we can do nothing without having the mind of Christ, abiding, and not in sin.
If we confess our sin,(yes, they are all already forgiven) we are agreeing with God we have not met  His mark.
This programs/inserts true data, truth, hidden in our hearts that we may not miss his mark again. (sin)
The first tiny obedience is the will of God, and we press on, ABIDING.

Sin creates loss, repentance restores. Quenches the spirit. Grieves the spirit.

Obedience maintains abiding, without which, no fruit from Jesus. (Not abiding)

Only man made flesh produced spoiled fruit.
 

[Vine Abider]

56 minutes ago, Sower said:

I suppose VA, for me it is a no brainer, and cannot understand why others do not understand what simple scripture says.

Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself,
unless it abides in the vine,
neither can you, unless you abide in me.

“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit;
apart from me you can do nothing.

"By this my Father is glorified,

that you bear much fruit

and so prove to be my disciples"      John 15

We cannot produce fruit, only bear the fruit that Jesus produces, and gives to those who are abiding in Him,
only to bear, or make visible, not consume upon ourselves,  but for others.

The point is we can do nothing without having the mind of Christ, abiding, and not in sin.
If we confess our sin,(yes, they are all already forgiven) we are agreeing with God we have not met  His mark.
This programs/inserts true data, truth, hidden in our hearts that we may not miss his mark again. (sin)
The first tiny obedience is the will of God, and we press on, ABIDING.

Sin creates loss, repentance restores. Obedience maintains abiding, without which, no fruit from Jesus. (Not abiding)

Only man made flesh produced spoiled fruit.
 

Yes, fruit only happens if the branch abides/remains in the vine as its source!  It is only this way that the life flows through the branches, and this life produces fruit.  The fruit is the glory/expression of the plant.  Oh taste and see!

[Michael37]

On 3/10/2023 at 1:02 AM, Neighbor said:

Glorify God. Ah okay. I understand I think  praise God, but in present day terms seeking glory is a strongly selfish thing, more  a goal of establishing a personal legacy, is it not?

God is Glory, He already is that which is perfect and cannot abide that which is not. All I could rub off on God is my sin, and I guess that too has been done already, as I am even now covered in the shed Blood of Jesus, washed white as snow in the site of God, and am made aware by the Holy Spirit.

It is pretty obvious, to me at least, that I am not glorious and cannot  rub off glory to much  of anything, never mind that which is Glory itself.

 I can be blessed by God's Glory, and hopefully be a blessing to Him. But praise, does that bring glory to Glory?

 I love to praise God, selfishly I am lifted to celebration when I do. I am blessed feeling God's Glory when I do. Yet glorify God? The English as I presently understand it just doesn't seem to work out with a proper meaning when I say  or read glorify God.

Have any thoughts on it or is it just my hang up?

You could write a Psalm that glorifies God.

I'm glorifying God right now by doing something that expresses appreciation of His attributes.

Sin doesn't glorify God, hence the call to "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand".

[Selah7]

On 3/9/2023 at 6:02 AM, Neighbor said:

Glorify God. Ah okay. I understand I think  praise God, but in present day terms seeking glory is a strongly selfish thing, more  a goal of establishing a personal legacy, is it not?

God is Glory, He already is that which is perfect and cannot abide that which is not. All I could rub off on God is my sin, and I guess that too has been done already, as I am even now covered in the shed Blood of Jesus, washed white as snow in the site of God, and am made aware by the Holy Spirit.

It is pretty obvious, to me at least, that I am not glorious and cannot  rub off glory to much  of anything, never mind that which is Glory itself.

 I can be blessed by God's Glory, and hopefully be a blessing to Him. But praise, does that bring glory to Glory?

 I love to praise God, selfishly I am lifted to celebration when I do. I am blessed feeling God's Glory when I do. Yet glorify God? The English as I presently understand it just doesn't seem to work out with a proper meaning when I say  or read glorify God.

Have any thoughts on it or is it just my hang up?

Blessings, Neighbor.  Here’s how I understand this.  In other words, don’t glorify anyone or anything but the LORD.  Only glorify God—because only from Him comes our salvation.