What does it take 'to Believe'?

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Neighbor said:

I believe what Paul shared  and has become part of the Bible Christians state is inerrant in the original texts. I believe what is now called Romans 8:28 through 39

I am so glad I hardly know anything that is taught or talked or written about by other men. I believe with all my heart, Gods words are perfect and the only thing we can count on as being TRUTH.  If we fail to find Truth, it is because we have not rightly divided His words.    

Psalm 12
(To the chief Musician upon Sheminith, A Psalm of David.) Help, LORD; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men.

2They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.

3The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things:

4Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?

5For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him.

6The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

7Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

8The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.

I believe when you read them from the point of view of 'they are perfect' without any skepticism, it is easier to stay on the path... and for the Holy Spirit to lead and guide...  

[Neighbor]

23 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

I am so glad I hardly know anything that is taught or talked or written about by other men.

Hi, I'm sorry I do not follow.

Are you stating you do not read the Bible in it's entirety, not accepting it as inspired of God? Specifically rejecting in this case that written by Paul as being inspired by the Holy Spirit? 

Or are you writing about something else not in play yet, on this thread?

Or ???

 

[Neighbor]

36 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

If we fail to find Truth, it is because we have not rightly divided His words.    

When I fail to find truth to use in God's word it is often because I have read it without seeking corroboration elsewhere within the Bible, and /or I have not looked to  those that have scholarship credentials, have  had the time, interest, study, prayer, and wisdom, to read, think, pray, and be led by the Holy Spirit to share of what God has granted them in the way  of scholarship. 

 I do cherish not only the Bible's record of men's writings inspired by the Holy Spirit, but also the scholarship that others have been granted by God that has not been granted me.

Some ae given the gift of pastorship or teacher,  others have different gifts. If I am unteachable or unwilling to listen to a teacher, then pity the poor person granted by God gift of teacher, eh?

[kwikphilly]

On 3/15/2023 at 12:09 PM, DeighAnn said:

Yes. 

What should we name the thread?  

There it is- in one of your comments

"Predestined Outcome for God's ENTIRE PLAN"

Yes! Now that's not the typical predestination(Calvinist) debate now is it? That's a bit different,might be interesting and not so controversial as the usual.  .What do you think?❤️

[Selah7]

3 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

There it is- in one of your comments

"Predestined Outcome for God's ENTIRE PLAN"

Yes! Now that's not the typical predestination(Calvinist) debate now is it? That's a bit different,might be interesting and not so controversial as the usual.  .What do you think?❤️

Me?  I think our Father predestines on an individual and personal basis because of His intimate foreknowledge of each one of His kids.  

Just my very own take on it.    s e l a h

[Selah7]

And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

- Romans 8:28-30

[kwikphilly]

4 minutes ago, Selah7 said:

Me?  I think our Father predestines on an individual and personal basis because of His intimate foreknowledge of each one of His kids.  

Just my very own take on it.    s e l a h

Yes,we both know we disagree somewhere in there but not totally,lol---- if that makes any sense,although we probably would both agree on that,Ha!

Personally I do Believe that it is God's ForeKnowledge that comes into play where we could interpret as " predestination".    With His Omnipotent,Omnipresence outside the Boundaries of space and time He Most Certainly Knows each and every outcome and the decisions we will make- and that Leads me to Believe that His Entire Plan for each,every and all of us is Written,His Book of Life--- but is it predetermined? I don't Believe it is not our choice to serve God in Christs Love

It's a rather complex thing,isn't it- very difficult for our little finite minds to comprehend fully .  You know the expression " Ce sera sera". .  I do Believe it is true,what will be will be and God Knows Exactly what that is!

God Bless you Sister - Love, Kwik

[Selah7]

40 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Yes,we both know we disagree somewhere in there but not totally,lol---- if that makes any sense,although we probably would both agree on that,Ha!

Personally I do Believe that it is God's ForeKnowledge that comes into play where we could interpret as " predestination".    With His Omnipotent,Omnipresence outside the Boundaries of space and time He Most Certainly Knows each and every outcome and the decisions we will make- and that Leads me to Believe that His Entire Plan for each,every and all of us is Written,His Book of Life--- but is it predetermined? I don't Believe it is not our choice to serve God in Christs Love

It's a rather complex thing,isn't it- very difficult for our little finite minds to comprehend fully .  You know the expression " Ce sera sera". .  I do Believe it is true,what will be will be and God Knows Exactly what that is!

God Bless you Sister - Love, Kwik

Amen, and we know ….

THE BEST IS YET TO COME!

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

There it is- in one of your comments

"Predestined Outcome for God's ENTIRE PLAN"

Yes! Now that's not the typical predestination(Calvinist) debate now is it? That's a bit different,might be interesting and not so controversial as the usual.  .What do you think?❤️

Sorry, I don't retain what goes with what names so I am thinking Calvinist is the some are predestined others not?  OK, I have no idea, just guessing from the topic.  

So, should I start it or do you want to? 

[DeighAnn]

On 3/16/2023 at 9:38 AM, Neighbor said:

Hi, I'm sorry I do not follow.

Are you stating you do not read the Bible in it's entirety, not accepting it as inspired of God? Specifically rejecting in this case that written by Paul as being inspired by the Holy Spirit? 

Or are you writing about something else not in play yet, on this thread?

Or ???

 

Just the opposite.  I read the BIBLE in it's entirety, I believe the words of GOD are PURE and perfect and the ONLY TRUTH to be found.  I believe that is one of the reasons for the dead sea scrolls being found when they were.  I believe that is why all those who said computers would 'prove the bible wrong' had to shut their mouths.  I believe the reason we are not all on the same path is because of a lack of faith in that very pureness. 

 I DIDN'T read books or commentaries or watch movies or study other religions, or go to school, so I am almost completely ignorant of all the terms and 'isms' and whatever else comes of all that so I believe my dependance upon the Holy Spirit is more natural, for lack of a better way to say that.  Not to say I didn't have a library to which I could have.  I keep saying one day when I have finished with Gods words, I will start to venture out to see what other men have written, till then...

What I know is WHAT IS WRITTEN.  I have a TERRIBLE memory for many varied reasons.  It got even worse when I prayed for peace.  Peace went way up, memory went down to which I say THANK YOU GOD because you can't miss or think about or be distracted by what you don't remember.  Good riddance to bad rubbish.   

BECAUSE of that, when I started to really study the Bible, I already knew I wouldn't be able to keep what I read and learned in HIS WORDS separate from what I might read or learn from somewhere else, so I made a POINT to not stray. So besides reference books (concordance, dictionary, treasury of scripture...) and the Bible there wasn't anything else.  I did read one book called 'one mans destiny',  which I sometimes wish I would have read at the start...long story short, one day I noticed no new revelations and knew it was time to come out of 'monk' mode...and did that when I found the Christian forums...and WOW, what I found was NOT EXPECTED, to say the least.  

TMI?  Either way, that should clear that up.