Women Pastors

[Neighbor]

23 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Would it be correct to say he is saying the only way a woman can be saved is in childbearing?  All those not bearing children are out?  I don't think so.

Hi, Perhaps "saved", in this context, doesn't refer to eternal salvation with and from God at all.

p.s. If it does then one might have to reconsider a lot of Latter Day Saints Of Jesus Christ doctrine.

p.ps.  I suppose one gets into all sorts of splitting of hairs type issues if barenness prohibits salvation- might one adopt and be saved? Might one be a good auntie and be saved ? Etc. Hmm guess in a sense salvation then becomes a matter of works afterall. Etc. Plus what of the woman "stuck" with a man that cannot impregnate a female for whatever reason is she cast away? ???  Yet there is the statement, in English.

So saved from what might be a valid question to consider?

[Neighbor]

More directly as to female pastors. I have one in my own family, well I did;  she was defrocked by her denom. Unfortunately she became entangled with the senior pastor at her local church body, that led to a couple of divorces.  Bad stuff happens, doesn't seem to matter, whether male or female. It happens. The flesh is weak.

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Neighbor said:

Hi, Perhaps "saved", in this context, doesn't refer to eternal salvation with and from God at all.

p.s. If it does then one might have to reconsider a lot of Latter Day Saints Of Jesus Christ doctrine.

p.ps.  I suppose one gets into all sorts of splitting of hairs type issues if barenness prohibits salvation- might one adopt and be saved? Might one be a good auntie and be saved ? Etc. Hmm guess in a sense salvation then becomes a matter of works afterall. Etc. Plus what of the woman "stuck" with a man that cannot impregnate a female for whatever reason is she cast away? ???  Yet there is the statement, in English.

So saved from what might be a valid question to consider?

Salvation can never be a matter of works.  It comes before we even set about doing any works.  Silly would be to try and go to work for something you already have, right?  

And the Latter Day Saints 'doctrine' I would never have to re consider, as I have never considered it in the first place.  I have no idea what it is, never have never will.  

Did you possibly miss the 'I don't think so' at the end?  

Edited March 27, 2023 by DeighAnn

[Neighbor]

46 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Salvation can never be a matter of works.  It comes before we even set about doing any works.  Silly would be to try and go to work for something you already have, right?  

And the Latter Day Saints 'doctrine' I would never have to re consider, as I have never considered it in the first place.  I have no idea what it is, never have never will.  

Did you possibly miss the 'I don't think so' at the end?  

No I didn't attribute that to your thinking.

 I just very recently came across the presentation that saved in that context did not mean salvation, but saved from deception, but that made no sense to me either.

I do not buy the idea that Paul was saying a woman must bear children or be damned, even though it was evidently a serious shame per the Bible accounts for a woman to suffer not having provided children for her husband; however if it is what Paul meant then I have some very  dire and serious sadness for immediate family that do not have children. It simply makes no sense, -that statement standing alone, without some qualifying factors to aid comprhension.

My God is not a trickster either, so I conclude that I simply do not understand that one.

As to the other hot button issue on the board right now, that of female pastors; well Paul certainly made it very clear and hit that one right on the head (  Humor button on). Though come to think of it, I have learned some pretty vital lessons on practical application of Biblical  principles from women. Two especially that I  am humbly grateful to have been enabled to serve alongside for many years.

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Neighbor said:

No I didn't attribute that to your thinking.

 I just very recently came across the presentation that saved in that context did not mean salvation, but saved from deception, but that made no sense to me either.

I do not buy the idea that Paul was saying a woman must bear children or be damned, even though it was evidently a serious shame per the Bible accounts for a woman to suffer not having provided children for her husband; however if it is what Paul meant then I have some very  dire and serious sadness for immediate family that do not have children. It simply makes no sense, -that statement standing alone, without some qualifying factors to aid comprhension.

My God is not a trickster either, so I conclude that I simply do not understand that one.

As to the other hot button issue on the board right now, that of female pastors; well Paul certainly made it very clear and hit that one right on the head (  Humor button on). Though come to think of it, I have learned some pretty vital lessons on practical application of Biblical  principles from women. Two especially that I  am humbly grateful to have been enabled to serve alongside for many years.

Thank you very much.  

[TheBlade]

Knowing the time in which this was written really matters here. I doubt Christ still thinks the Children's bread is not for the "dogs". Does He speak like this today? There are woman prophets and teachers and blah blah blah today. If some believer today does not agree lol changes nothing. Whom He calls He equips....OT 'Then Moses said to the Lord, “O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither before nor since You have spoken to Your servant; but I am slow of speech and slow of tongue.” So the Lord said to him, “Who has made man’s mouth? Or who makes the mute, the deaf, the seeing, or the blind? Have not I, the Lord? Now therefore, go, and I will be with your mouth and teach you what you shall say.”

This is so cool. Well think about this Moses was talking to who? GOD! God telling him to go and I will help you speak. HAHA praise God Moses still said "please send someone else" "So the anger of the LORD was kindled against Moses, and He said: “Is not Aaron the Levite your brother? I know that he can speak well. And look, he is also coming out to meet you. When he sees you, he will be glad in his heart."

Who ever you are that desire came from Him.. that desire is the confirmation the destination is there. He would not put it there if it was going no where.  So you can't see or feel it so walk by faith He will open every door. Don't listen to man.