The 6th Seal

[DeighAnn]

9And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


here comes that little season they are waiting for to come to an end, the TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS

12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Is it the day
or
is the day come? 

Has wrath been poured out
or
is wrath going to be poured out. 

Is the sun in sackcloth and the moon become blood
or
is the sun dim and the moon not giving light?

BEFORE THE DAY OF THE LORD the moon becomes as blood.  

If the moon is as blood in the 6th Seal, and the moon is as blood BEFORE THE DAY OF THE LORD,

THEN how can the LORD COME IN THE 6TH SEAL?  


IF WE can't even keep things AS THE ARE WRITTEN as they are written THEN HOW CAN WE ever see anything the same???


"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come." Joel 2:31 KJV


"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:" Acts 2:20 KJV






WHAT else takes place before the great and the terrible day of day of the Lord come?   Here are Random verses from random places in (somewhat) random order - 


And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
 

And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.

And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
 

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
 

And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

CERTAINLY not everyone agrees.  BUT if you do, put them in the order you see fit, so we can discuss the differences. 

[R. Hartono]

@Jaydub

Edited March 28, 2023 by R. Hartono

[DeighAnn]

5th Seal - WAIT A SEASON

6th Seal - Satan's little season  - 

SUN ruler of day puts on sackcloth  (so do the witnesses)

MOON ruler of night becomes blood - war  (Satan and his angels)

7th Seal - Christ returns, destroys Satan with His Brightness

[Jaydub]

22 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

THEN how can the LORD COME IN THE 6TH SEAL?  

What do you do with the rest of the chapter?

12I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

this also looks like 2cd peter 3

But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and its works will be laid bare.

[DeighAnn]

1 minute ago, Jaydub said:

What do you do with the rest of the chapter?

12I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

this also looks like 2cd peter 3

But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and its works will be laid bare.

When do we read of earthquakes?  When the heavens open up for some reason.  Not only are the two witnesses sent by God to earth, ALSO Satan and his angels are cast to earth.  

The sun and the moon are given for signs.  

So, the 'signs' are not only for the GOOD coming upon the world but also for the bad.  Do you see CHRISTS COMING as being like 'stars that fall from heaven'?  or untimely figs being shaken in a strong wind?  

EVERY MOUNTAIN will be moved because Satan is taking control.  The 'kings' who rule with him an hour will be taking over for the kingdoms that were raised up for that specific purpose.  

WHEN will the

15And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?


NOT UNTIL THEY SEE the heavens opened and the two witnesses rise up and HEAR GOD. 

THAT is when FEAR falls upon them.  That is when Christ comes AS A THIEF to THEM

because all their merchandise, their commerce, their ships, their city, IS TAKEN, their 'god', all the treasures they have STORED UP upon the earth thinking they were forever set, 

GONE in an hour. 

LIKE A THIEF IN THE NIGHT is how Christ comes, NOT TO THOSE WHO KNOW HIM and have stayed out of the ways of the world, but to those who don't.  Do we know what hour HE WILL COME?  STILL DON'T.  We know the season, and we will know the exact time when the witnesses are killed but not until then.  


So, that is how I see it.  HOW DO YOU?

[Jaydub]

I agree with some of what you are saying, but I see the sixth seal as the day of the Lord

 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, ¹³ and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. ¹⁴ The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

2Peter 3:10

 

10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 

I agree the sun and moon are sign

[DeighAnn]

8 hours ago, Jaydub said:

I agree with some of what you are saying, but I see the sixth seal as the day of the Lord

 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, ¹³ and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. ¹⁴ The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

2Peter 3:10

 

10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 

I agree the sun and moon are sign

OK.  Let's try it from this point of view.  

How many times is heaven going to OPEN UP and SEND angels to the earth?  

Would you agree that for the MOST PART those things would be written in a SIMILAR FASHION although the DETAILS would be different?  

We know there will be changes to the sun and moon

We know stars will be falling

Pretty sure there are earthquakes

We know mountains move, (changing of powers)

THERE ARE EFFECTS UPON the earth EVERYTIME.  




SO there is a TRIBULATION (Satan coming to deceive)

and IMMEDIATELY AFTER THAT tribulation is another. (Brightness of Christ destroying)

One is for deception, the other is to illuminate THE DECEPTION that has just taken place.  


I'll let you see if you can spot the differences IN THE DETAILS.  What would help MOST is if you use the Greek, you'll see why.  

If not, thank you for the response, and I wish you nothing but the best 



 

[Revelation Man]

On 3/25/2023 at 12:38 PM, DeighAnn said:

9And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


here comes that little season they are waiting for to come to an end, the TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS

12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Is it the day
or
is the day come? 

Has wrath been poured out
or
is wrath going to be poured out. 

Is the sun in sackcloth and the moon become blood
or
is the sun dim and the moon not giving light?

BEFORE THE DAY OF THE LORD the moon becomes as blood.  

The BEFORE means in a the face (presence of) as before a kings presence. 

We have to study the original root words, as a Prophecy guy called into that field 37 years ago, closing in on 38, I but the grunt work in because I understand we can not read the English and just assume the translation is proper, gay, even English words morph over time, gay in 1935 meant happy go lucky, not it means a sodomite perverted person. So, what did BEFORE actually mean? Well, in most cases it meant in the presence of.

Malachi 4:5 Behold, x2009 I x595 will send 7971 z8802 you x853 ´Ëliyyà אֵלִיָּה 452 the prophet 5030 before 6440 the coming 935 z8800 of the great 1419 and dreadful 3372 z8737 day 3117 of Yähwè יָהוֶה: 3068

  #6440 פָּנִים paniym {paw-neem'}

—Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) face 1a) face, faces 1b) presence, person 1c) face (of seraphim or cherubim) 1d) face (of animals) 1e) face, surface (of ground) 1f) as adv of loc/temp 1f1) before and behind, toward, in front of, forward, formerly, from beforetime, before 1g) with prep 1g1) in front of, before, to the front of, in the presence of, in the face of, at the face or front of, from the presence of, from before, from before the face of

—Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)

Plural (but always used as a singular) of an unused noun (פָּנֶה paneh, {paw-neh'}; from H6437); the face (as the part that turns); used in a great variety of applications (literally and figuratively); also (with prepositional prefix) as a preposition (before, etc.):

—Strong's (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament)

So, as one who was BEFORE the PRESENCE or a King, or an Angel, this word becomes obvious when we study what it really means, its not BEFORE TIME, its BEFORE TGE FACE, or in the presence of, so the Two Witnesses will be sent back and will be in the PRESENCE OF the Day of the Lord. The Two-witnesses pray down all of the Plagues, just like Moses told Pharoah beforehand what was coming. 

So, everything you are hinging as BEFORE means in the Presence of not BEFORE, see sister how getting the words meaning correct matters so much? No one can understand God's holy scriptures, in full, without doing a deep dive on the original meaning of words.

So, when we see that the Sun and Moon goes dark, that is God's Wrath, those people will be in the presence of God's 42 months of wrath. Now lets look at The Seals, the Trumps & the Vials. How they are introduced is KEY.

Rev. 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. 2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

So, here, in every Seal except #7 where we see silence because no vision is given, a somber Wrath is finally at hand, the heavens are thus silent. But in the first 6 Seals we see COME AND SEE, COME AND SEE over and over, John is being shown the soon to come future. But with the Trumps it is totally different. 

Trumpet Judgments which start God's Wrath

Rev. 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. 3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. 5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth(Asteroid Impact INCOMING): and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound(an ACTION).

7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea(Asteroid Impact that causues the EARTHQUAKE): and the third part of the sea became blood;

Vial Judgments which ends God's Wrath

Rev. 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. 2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea. 4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.

So, via the Seals we get "COME AND SEE", "COME AND SEE" with the Trumpet Judgments, and the Vial Judgments we see the Trumpets SOUND and the Wrath comes, then via the Vials we see them POURED OUT and the Wrath comes. All of these Judgments were merely being shown via the Seals hence the "COME AND SEE". 

In order to understand the bible in general, deep word dives are of a great value, however with Prophecy it is on a MUST NEEDS BASIS. Words like before actually have to be understood or you handicap yourself sister. Maybe this is also why you cant see the Pre Trib Rapture clearly.

 

God Bless

 

[DeighAnn]

23 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

In order to understand the bible in general, deep word dives are of a great value, however with Prophecy it is on a MUST NEEDS BASIS. Words like before actually have to be understood or you handicap yourself sister. Maybe this is also why you cant see the Pre Trib Rapture clearly.

What I do see is

"But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep." John 10:12 KJV

 

22Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.

23And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

24For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

And I am supposed to BELIEVE there are 'secret or hidden messages' written in the SAME BOOK that I can't see that say for ONE SPECIFIC MOMENT IN TIME, THERE WILL BE ONE GROUP to which NOTHING APPLIES the same as it does to EVERYONE ELSE.   


Pre trib from beginning to end - Just more of YEA hath God said? brought forth through the wisdom and conclusions of men. 

Who would instead of

5For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

6For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

7But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

8We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;

9Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;

10Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

11For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
 

 

5Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

6And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

7For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

 

[DeighAnn]

"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:" Acts 2:20 KJV



4250. prin 
Strong's Concordance
prin: before
Original Word: πρίν
Part of Speech: Adverb
Transliteration: prin
Phonetic Spelling: (prin)
Definition: before
Usage: formerly, before.

before, ere.
Adverb from pro; prior, sooner -- before (that), ere.



18Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

34Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.


26And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.

47When he heard that Jesus was come out of Judaea into Galilee, he went unto him, and besought him that he would come down, and heal his son: for he was at the point of death.

48Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

49The nobleman saith unto him, Sir, come down ere my child die.

 

58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

 

27Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

28Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

29And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

30Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

31But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.


20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:


2And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran,

 

16To whom I answered, It is not the manner of the Romans to deliver any man to die, before that he which is accused have the accusers face to face, and have licence to answer for himself concerning the crime laid against him