The 6th Seal

[Revelation Man]

On 4/11/2023 at 1:24 PM, Biblican said:

You understand the book of Revelation as you have interpreted it. It may or not be correct. I already explained what the seals represent and they are not active judgments which shows me you haven't been paying attention. The first four seals represent the persecutors of the church, the fifth seal the martyrs and the six seal their future vindication.

Well, those are still ACTIONS, not merely Locks on a Closet Door. The Seals merely lock up a Scroll of Judgments, that is why they are LOOSED !! Which means taken off. They have not yet happened, with each Seal Jesus is merely telling us what the Trumps will bring to pass via the DOTL. Part of God's Judgment is an Asteroid (Mountain on fire) but another Judgment is the coming Anti-Christ, who is not allowed to go forth conquering until the exact middle of the 70th week, at the same time the Asteroid hits, so the Asteroid is only a PART of the Wrath of God, Him allowing the Anti-Christ to 1.) Conquer (Israel and the MSR) 2.) Take away Peace/Bring Wars for 42 months 3.) Which allows his rule to bring Famine 4.) And thus his 42 months of rule over that area (Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region) will bring Sickness, Death and the Grave. 5.) He will Martyr those who refuse to take the Mark of the Beast and who become Christians during the 70th week. 

So, those Seals are not going on, they only start via the 7 Trumpet Judgments, God is not going to change this just because men do not understand it. I understand the BoR, period. You are trying to agree the Seals are not Judgments, by saying they are indeed actions that go on via the Church. Meanwhile the Church is in Heaven (Rev. 4:4) before the Seals are ever opened. So, you took a wrong path on those Seals somewhere down the road sister.

On 4/11/2023 at 1:24 PM, Biblican said:

The seventh seal is a picture of the church, the remnant 144,000 that are sealed for their protection and the overcoming church that goes through the tribulation. Again, because of the symbolism of Manasseh replacing Dan we are being told that the 144,000 are not only Jews. You can't ignore this symbolism because it is crucial to the interpretation. if it was meant to show us that they are all Jews, all twelve tribes would be represented and Dan would not be missing.

The 144,000 are the Jews who Repent, not the Church. God refused to use Dan's name, those people are still the Tribe of Dan. The 144,000 = ALL Jews who Repent, that is it, period.

On 4/11/2023 at 1:24 PM, Biblican said:

The seven churches represent the spiritual conditions of the church in every age cumulating to the last generation before Jesus returns. All spiritual conditions can operate in one church. The great lesson from that is that only Philadelphia is promised to be protected. The rest of the church goes through the tribulation unless they repent of their errors. This is very important to understand this principle because many Christians will be left behind if they don't repent.

 

No, these are 7 TYPES of Churches which are seen all throughout the Church Age, all of Christendom will be Raptured Pre Trib, if they are alive, and have the holy spirit. The Seals are opened in Heaven in the presence of the Raptured Church.

On 4/11/2023 at 1:24 PM, Biblican said:

Of course John is being shown a picture of the overcoming church in Rev. 4. Those before the thrown are the patriarchs and the founding apostles. John would be seeing himself among them.

No, that is the Raptured Church, NO ONE Goes to Heaven until the Rapture, 1 Cor 15 tells us this, the Dead are RAISED at the exact same time as those of us who are still alive and remain, there are no people in Heaven as we speak, save Moses and Elijah.

On 4/11/2023 at 1:26 PM, Biblican said:

John was shown specifically from the Lord that Candlesticks represent churches in Revelation 1:20. You are ignoring the meaning and changing it because you did not understand the symbolism.

The Two-witnesses do not represent a Church, they bring light ONLY to the Jews, Rev. 11:1-3 tells you this, if you read it very carefully this can clearly be seen.

 

Edited April 13, 2023 by Revelation Man

[Biblican]

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Well, those are still ACTIONS, not merely Locks on a Closet Door. The Seals merely lock up a Scroll of Judgments, that is why they are LOOSED !! Which means taken off. They have not yet happened, with each Seal Jesus is merely telling us what the Trumps will bring to pass via the DOTL. Part of God's Judgment is an Asteroid (Mountain on fire) but another Judgment is the coming Anti-Christ, who is not allowed to go forth conquering until the exact middle of the 70th week, at the same time the Asteroid hits, so the Asteroid is only a PART of the Wrath of God, Him allowing the Anti-Christ to 1.) Conquer (Israel and the MSR) 2.) Take away Peace/Bring Wars for 42 months 3.) Which allows his rule to bring Famine 4.) And thus his 42 months of rule over that area (Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region) will bring Sickness, Death and the Grave. 5.) He will Martyr those who refuse to take the Mark of the Beast and who become Christians during the 70th week. 

So, those Seals are not goin g on, they only start via the 7 Trumpet Judgments, God is nit going to change this just because men do not understand it. I understand the BoR, period. You are trying to agree the Seals are not Judgments, by saying they are indeed actions that go on via the Church. Meanwhile the Church is in Heaven (Rev. 4:4) before the Seals are ever opened. So, you took a wrong path on those Seals somewhere down the road sister.

The 144,000 are the Jews who Repent, not the Church. God refused to use Dan's name, those people are still the Tribe of Dan. The 144,000 = ALL Jews who Repent, that is it, period.

No, these are 7 TYPES of Churches which are seen all throughout the Church Age, all of Christendom will be Raptured Pre Trib, if the are alive. The Seals are opened in Heaven in the presence of the Raptured Church.

No, that is the Raptured Church, NO ONE Goes to Heaven until the Rapture, 1 Cor 15 tells us this, the Dead are RAISED at the exact same time as those of us who are still alive and remain, there are no people in Heaven as we speak, save Moses and Elijah.

The Two-witnesses do not represent a Church, they bring light ONLY to the Jews, Rev. 11:1-3 tells you this, if you read it very carefully this can clearly be seen.

 

Your entire interpretation of Revelation is off because you cannot acknowledge or understand prophetic symbolism which you have demonstrated consistently. 

One of the most damaging misinterpretations that is parroted by many including yourself is that the entire church is going to be raptured pre trib when the Lord very specifically tells Jezebel's followers that they will go through tribulation unless they repent. Therefore many Christians are being deceived and will not examine themselves to see if they are in the Philadelphian remnant category that is promised protection. 

I do not agree with your interpretation as it contradicts the prophetic clues that are crucial to a proper understanding of the visions, and as I have said before we will have to agree to disagree. Meanwhile go have  a nap and a cookie it may help.

[Revelation Man]

On 4/11/2023 at 9:46 PM, Biblican said:

One of the most damaging misinterpretations that is parroted by many including yourself is that the entire church is going to be raptured pre trib when the Lord very specifically tells Jezebel's followers that they will go through tribulation unless they repent. Therefore many Christians are being deceived and will not examine themselves to see if they are in the Philadelphian remnant category that is promised protection. 

This tells me you understand nothing about the End Times nor Prophecy, this is not hard to digest, if you can't get the simple Pre Trib Rapture right then I would not heed anything you say about the End Times sister.

[Biblican]

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

This tells me you understand nothing about the End Times nor Prophecy, this is not hard to digest, if you can't get the simple Pre Trib Rapture right then I would not heed anything you say about the End Times sister.

Why don't you just study what the scriptures are actually saying instead of making up your own explanations?

[Revelation Man]

17 hours ago, Biblican said:

Why don't you just study what the scriptures are actually saying instead of making up your own explanations?

I do understand what the scriptures are saying, especially prophetic scriptures, you don't. 

[Biblican]

6 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I do understand what the scriptures are saying, especially prophetic scriptures, you don't. 

Again, we will have to agree to disagree.