The 6th Seal

[bloom]

11 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

"Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn." Matthew 13:30 KJV

same time


When you are responding to me could you hit the quote button at the bottom of my post please?  Thank you

7th seal 7th trump 7th vial right.

[DeighAnn]

10 minutes ago, bloom said:

7th seal 7th trump 7th vial right.

Absolutely.  

[Revelation Man]

10 hours ago, Biblican said:

Ruth was a Moabite and became part of Jesus' lineage and Joseph's wife was a Gentile so to say Jewish blood is Jewish blood is not quite accurate. To be a Jew the mother had to be a Jew.

Actually the lineage comes from the Father in name, that is why Jesus is God the Son/Redeemer, but the point is that no Tribes were ever lost, none of those Norther Tribes who were carried off will be a part of the End Time Jews who repent, God forsook them, now they thus BECAME Gentiles, God disowned them, but just like other Gentiles, they can (of course) be saved, but their portion will not be the Kingdom Age. But you are missing the whole point, no tribes were ever lost, when the Jews got toted off in 70 AD, it was ALL 12 Tribes. When God brought them back, he brought back ALL 12 Tribes, he says so in Ezekiel 37, that He brought back the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel, and God can not lie. People who think tribes were ever lost are wrong, people who think the Church replaced Israel are wrong.

 

10 hours ago, Biblican said:

Jacob told Joseph that his children would be Jews even though their mother was a Gentile.

You miss his overall point, its just the opposite of what you are saying, it was OBVIOUS back then that without a Male Jew you would have no Jewish Lineage, and likewise with no Female Jewish mother, but exceptions were made but only via a Jewish father with a gentile woman, not the other way around. But now that we are in Grace, and not under the Law, I am pretty sure that anyone with Jewish blood will be accepted, as long as they come unto Christ Jesus, BUT............That is irrelevant to the whole point, God know who they are, and they were NEVER LOST !! That is the point, when God brought back Israel He brought back the WHOLE HOUSE or ALL 12 Tribes at the same time. It changes nothing, 1/3 of the End Time Jews will still repent, AND they are all 12 Tribes. You can go off the end arguing semantics sister, God stated in Ezekiel tat He brought back the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel, and God can not lie, and 1/3 of those End Time Israelis will repent.

10 hours ago, Biblican said:

That is why Manasseh is used to replace Dan in Revelation. I said that we have to understand prophetic symbolism in order to understand Revelation properly. The insertion of Manasseh is designed to show us that these are not the literal 12 tribes, they represent the remnant church that is sealed for their protection from the tribulation. They are the Philadelphians.

No i6 is not Dan simply went EVIL on us, God is not going to have one of the 12 Tribes named after a man in hell. Who loved Satan more than he loved God. He does not get named for that reason. In Ezekiel 37 God told us He did bring all 12 tribes, that the end of the debate on tat really, unless God lied. You sister are trying to replace Israel with the Church. That is a big ole NO NO. 

As I stated above, somewhere, the Remnant is the Remnant Church, it can not be Jews. The Pre Trib Rapture takes the Church to Heaven thus the believes who come to Jesus after the Rapture are the Remnant Church.

10 hours ago, Biblican said:

As I also said, the early church saw themselves as the true Jews and Justin Marty's statement, which is found in his "Dialogue with Trypho" just confirms this fact. Paul was very clear when he said the Jews have been cut off and the Gentiles have been grafted in.

Sister you can not quote a person with HALF a quote, that also is a NO NO, and you know better than that.

Rom. 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. (IN PART simply means individual Jews, of course, can be saved during the Gentile Church Age, but Israel as a Nation CAN NOT and WILL NOT repent as a Nation unto after the Pre Trib Rapture/"Time of the Gentiles" is come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written(Isaiah prophesied this, Paul just quoted Isaiah), There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.(The 144,000/The Woman/ 3.5-5 Million Jews)

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. (Israel has to set up the Kingdom Age with Jesus for 1000 years)

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. {{They come to know God and Jesus via the Churches loving mercy, in the end times, after we are Raptured they SEE everything we said and spoke about, COMES TRUE !! Thus they expect the Two-witnesses of Revelation to show up, and when they do they lead the Jews to Jesus, Amen}}

So, with me knowing the bible, leaving scriptures off sister is not going to ever win you a debate point. We can see that Paul states emphatically that ALL Israel repents. 

10 hours ago, Biblican said:

That is what we are shown in Rev. the grafting in of the Gentiles and the cutting off of the unbelieving Jews (Romans 11:17-22) represented by Dan, the tribe that did not receive their inheritance. Likewise no one can receive their inheritance in God unless they receive Jesus.

No its not sister. This is simply you misreading/misunderstanding the texts. Israel will share in the Kingdom Age with Jesus.

 

Now I have to go see why Dee has started a PRINTING PRESS. I do not get it. God Bless

[Revelation Man]

11 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Silly me, believing WHAT IS WRITTEN about the BOOK NOT BEING OPENED until the end,

MAYBE you ought to stop and THINK, there are people all over the earth, and who lived in times past, who read the same bible as you and I do and have led cults, with the very same words you read, people like Jim Jones, David Koresh, people like Joseph Smith who founded the cult Mormons, the Seventh Day Adventists, who were all led astray by devils, but who thought they knew the word, but of course didn't, so excuse me if I do not but the thought process you are putting firth than anyone who reads English can understand the bible, God has to reveal Himself and His word, and people always have to listen, and they have to learn how to hear the holy spirit by being still and quiet.

You do not understand Prophecy, period, and that is because God has different callings for different people, but those same people can go down wrong paths, if they refuse to hear the voice of the Lord, they get tune deaf, or tunnel vision. Just because you can read English doesn't mean you can understand Prophecy,  God only calls whom he calls unto Prophecy. 

12 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Are you called?  then teach in the manner THE PERSON LEARNS, not in the your own way or comfort zone 

People can not learn when they "already know it all". 

12 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

1.  Why would Gods wrath take 3.5 years?  With all the choices on how an 'HOUR' is used...why that one?

Well, see, here is why you can not be reading my POSTS, else you wouldn't ask this question again. Revelation is an ENCODED MESSAGE. In Rev. 18:8 & 10 we see Judgment comes in ONE DAY and in ONE HOUR. The Day of the Lord lasts 42 months and as Rev. 17:12 says the 10 kings rule ONE HOUR with the Beast, so the ONE HOUR reference means 42 months also. You simply take in what you agree with and flush everything else. That is tunnel vision sister.

12 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

2.  Do you believe Gods Wrath is poured out before or after Christ returns?

Daniel 12:7 tells us when, if you will listen, EVERYTHING is centered around the Middle of the week 1260 event for a reason, the Two-witnesses have a 1260 day ministry because the Beast is allowed to rule over Israel for 1260 days, Satan chase the Woman Israel for 1260 days for a reason, God's Wrath lasts for 1260 days fir a reason, all of these 1260 events are no coincidence. God Wrath stars in the middle of the 70th week, ONLY THEN is the coming Anti-Christ allowed to go forth conquering. A part of God's Wrath involves giving Israel the king they desired, like they got with Saul, when God wanted David. 

So, God placed Israel under a 70 week 490 year Judgment, God suspended that Judgment when He tore the temple asunder at Jesus' death, He then gave the Gospel unto the Gentile Church, we will get Raptured when the 70 week judgment is about to resume, what happens to kick this off again, why is God's Wrath rekindled? Israel will join the E.U. ceding, in so many words, their land to the European Union, that is the AGREEMENT they enter into with the E.U. President (Anti-Christ), Covenant in Hebrew sim ply means agreement. After three years of feigned peace, God's wrath falls when he promises it will fall, at the 1260, the Asteroid Apophis will wipe out North and South America, IMHO, that adds up to 1/3 and the Anti-Christ will conquer Israel JUST LIKE the Man in Linen (Jesus) says in Dan. 12:7. The Angel asks when will all these things (Dan. 11:36-45) END, and Jesus tells him how many days it will be from the time this Anti-Christ conquers Israel until his rule will end or be broken [by Jesus]. 

6 And one said to the man clothed in linen(Jesus), which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever(Jesus SWORE by God the Father) that it shall be for a time, times, and an half(1260 days); and when he(Anti-Christ) shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.(So, the Anti-Christ conquers ad rules of Israel for 1260 days, halfway into his agreement that allows Israel to become an E.U. Member State.

This man RULES for 1260 days, Satan is cast down at the 1260, the Two-witnesses first TURN Israel back unto God then PRAY DOWN every plague, and they day after praying down the 3rd Woe, but they die before it ever hits, Since they die 75 days before the 7th Vial sees Jesus coming, thus we see God's Wrath lingers for the two-witnesses 1260 days, the 3rd Woe lasts for 5 months, go read it in Rev. 9, The Seals are all pointing unto a soon to come 42 month time of God's Wrath and great tribulation on this earth.

God's Wrath is poured out starting in Rev. via ONE ASTEROID, which is the first four trumps. Then continues with Woe #1 that lasts for5 months, with Woe #2 and finally Woe #3 which comes forty via the 7th Trump. The 200 Million on horses is not MEN, its Angels, go look, they DELIVER God's plagues, it says so in like Revelation 9:20 or 21. Then it ends with Rev. 16:19 the 2nd Coming

12 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

I will read up to the first comment I find to be offensive to my person, knowledge or understanding or the mention of pre trib in anyway shape or form.  

Just a good way to dodge sister. 

[Kaio-Ken]

Coming in at the tail of things to quote scripture.

Quote

Matthew 12:36

Acts 5:38

[DeighAnn]

12 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Just a good way to dodge sister. 

I'll take that as a NO YOU CAN'T.  Thanks for your time

[Revelation Man]

On 4/2/2023 at 2:09 PM, DeighAnn said:

I'll take that as a NO YOU CAN'T.  Thanks for your time

Can't answer anything hey? I get it, a bible study with no push back is what you wanted. 

 

God Bless

[DeighAnn]

6 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Can't answer anything hey? I get it, a bible study with no push back is what you wanted. 

 

God Bless

If you ever wish to discuss WHAT IS WRITTEN as being WHAT GOD MEANS, not a problem, but I don't discuss the theories and doctrines of men, that make void the words of God.

There are 2 paths 

NOT GATHERED UNTIL AFTER  or  the delusion that causes one to perish 

One is written so clearly IT CAN'T BE MISTAKEN for anything else and has several written witnesses also proclaiming Christs return AFTER

while the other IS 100% INVISIBLE, making that one of UNRIGHTEOUS and causing ONE TO PERISH. 






 

[Biblican]

On 4/1/2023 at 3:53 PM, DeighAnn said:

4These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.


ARE you saying you believe there will be MANY MANY Christians going around the world and they will BE ABLE TO

5And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Surely puts a new perspective on

10Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.


Do you really believe that is TRUER to the truth than

10And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.


 

The two prophets are candlesticks. They have to represent churches for there is no other application for the word candlestick in Revelation. If the word candlestick was not there then that would mean they are just two individuals. In dreams these clues are extremely important. Most likely they represent the spiritual conditions of the two churches that receive no correction from the Lord. They represent the remnant. We are dealing with prophetic symbolism like dreams. The remnant does have the power to send the fire of God's corrective word (Jer. 5:14) against their enemies and have power by prayer to affect the environment, etc. I personally know people whom God has answered their prayers in a similar manner. The plagues they send by prayer are constructive not destructive.

[Biblican]

On 4/1/2023 at 11:50 PM, Revelation Man said:

Actually the lineage comes from the Father in name, that is why Jesus is God the Son/Redeemer, but the point is that no Tribes were ever lost, none of those Norther Tribes who were carried off will be a part of the End Time Jews who repent, God forsook them, now they thus BECAME Gentiles, God disowned them, but just like other Gentiles, they can (of course) be saved, but their portion will not be the Kingdom Age. But you are missing the whole point, no tribes were ever lost, when the Jews got toted off in 70 AD, it was ALL 12 Tribes. When God brought them back, he brought back ALL 12 Tribes, he says so in Ezekiel 37, that He brought back the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel, and God can not lie. People who think tribes were ever lost are wrong, people who think the Church replaced Israel are wrong.

 

I think you have missed my point. I never said I believed that the tribes were lost. I said that the early Christians saw themselves as the true Jews. They have been grafted in and the Jews who have not accepted the New Covenant were cut off. They can be grafted in when they accept Christ and all Israel will be saved when Jesus returns. Christians do not replace the Jews we become Jews.  What makes a true Jew is not their race but their relationship with God. No one can have a relationship with God unless they come to Him through Jesus in the New Covenant.

The point I was making is that because the Jews do not consider someone a Jew unless their mother is a Jew (not the father, the father is the tribe); Joseph's wife was accepted as a Jew just because she was married to Joseph, a similitude of Jesus. This is the Biblical precedent for the Gentiles being grafted in through the Messiah and why the symbolism in Rev. 7 is so important, where Manasseh replaces Dan, "the Jews who say they are Jews and are not" because they have rejected Jesus' atonement. Again, unless you understand prophetic symbolism and how it works, any interpretation of Revelation is going to be inaccurate. The description of the woman Babylon begins by telling us she is a whore. That description matches apostate Israel in the Old Testament. Any apostate compromised Christian is seated on the beast being carried by the world and not the Holy Spirit. She formicates with the kings showing us she prefers to be one with the world and not Jesus. After she is used by the beast the apostate church is attacked by the beast. This carries a very potent message to those compromised Christians today who need to repent and "Come out of her" before it is too late. Again. if we ignore the prophetic details we are going to miss the point of what God is trying to tell us, the lessons that are so important for us to know now.