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[ChristB4us]

On 4/9/2023 at 4:24 PM, Andrewoder1999 said:

Hello I am not a born again Christian. I have committed the unpardonable sin countless times in thought. Those thoughts ARE deliberate. It’s weird I have no pangs of guilt, just wickedness. I have NO remorse over my sin. I remember about a decade ago learning about this sin and WAS afraid of it. I’ve almost always most of my life have been a self centered person. I’ve never had a drawing from God before. I’ve always just known Him From the outside. I will die any day as none of us are promised tomorrow and have anxiety about dying. Man oh man if I could go back in time and repent I could. I’ve been praying to Jesus for several months now and it seems like I’m just wasting my time and I should accept my fate (hellfire). God has hardened my heart and turned me over to a reprobate mind. I have to go to hell now.

In context of what is actually considered the unpardonable sin;  as verse 30 is the reason why Jesus is saying verse 31 by the use of "wherefore".

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. 

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

What the Pharisees were doing was scattering potential believers away from Jesus Christ, thus they, themselves were resisting believing in Jesus Christ.

The only unpardonable sin that a sinner will be convicted of after death is never having believed in Jesus Christ.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

So that means you and other sinners are free and clear to come to Jesus Christ to believe in Him to be saved.

Indeed, the Father would not bother to draw you unto the Son to reveal His Son to you so you can believe in Him to be saved is you really had committed the unpardonable sin.  Our believing in Him is the work of God for why we should give the Father thanks in Jesus's name.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

So rejoice brother for by believing in Jesus Christ, the Father has drawn you unto the Son to reveal His Son to you so you can believe in Jesus Christ for God to save you.

[Neighbor]

3 hours ago, Selah7 said:

The way I understand it, only a born again person can commit the unpardonable sin because it is a sin against the Holy Spirit and unbelievers don’t have the Holy Spirit.  Please remember in your heart of hearts the MERCY of your Father.  Repent now.  Do not harden your heart.  God loves you so much.  

s e l a h

Hi, 

As to this sin that is unpardonable I do think a very short presentation that is available on Got Questions  now as a video may be  of definite help. 

It is now placed  on WCF unnder Videos, Bible Topics.

[Retrobyter]

On 4/9/2023 at 4:24 PM, Andrewoder1999 said:

Hello I am not a born again Christian. I have committed the unpardonable sin countless times in thought. Those thoughts ARE deliberate. It’s weird I have no pangs of guilt, just wickedness. I have NO remorse over my sin. I remember about a decade ago learning about this sin and WAS afraid of it. I’ve almost always most of my life have been a self centered person. I’ve never had a drawing from God before. I’ve always just known Him From the outside. I will die any day as none of us are promised tomorrow and have anxiety about dying. Man oh man if I could go back in time and repent I could. I’ve been praying to Jesus for several months now and it seems like I’m just wasting my time and I should accept my fate (hellfire). God has hardened my heart and turned me over to a reprobate mind. I have to go to hell now.

Shalom, Andrew.

Peace to you.

The "unpardonable sin" is a sin from which there is no pardon PHYSICALLY. That person is on death's row for something like murder. There's no coming back from that. Someone may be trying desperately on your behalf to get an appeal, but if things don't change, when the time runs out, you are killed. In today's society, it is done painlessly (supposedly), but it is final.

Pardon me for being blunt, but if you truly have no "pangs of guilt, just wickedness," WHY ARE YOU HERE?!

See, I don't believe that you have none, or you wouldn't be so fearful.

NO ONE can undo his or her past. It is what it is. I've sinned against God in the past, and I will probably sin against God in the future, too. I don't want to do so, but ... hey... I'm human! HOWEVER, God can forgive EVERY sin, no matter how big one thinks it is! The only sin He cannot forgive is the one that He is never asked to forgive! Let me ask you a few questions:

1. How many sins had you committed when Yeeshuwa` ("Jesus") died on the cross?

2. So, how many of your sins were in the future when Yeeshuwa` died on the cross?

3. Can God forgive the sins a person commits in his or her past, that were still in the future when Yeeshuwa` died on the cross?

4. If so, then can God forgive the sins a person commits in his or her future, that were still in the future when Yeeshuwa` died on the cross?

See, the thing you don't understand is this: When God forgives a person of all his or her sins, He forgives him or her for ALL of his or her sins! There's no "half-way" stuff with Him! He doesn't just forgive the sins of the past; He forgives the SINNER!

The term the Bible uses is "justified." That person is "JUSTIFIED" by God. One doesn't have to get cleaned up before he or she comes to God; one comes to God just as he or she is! GOD does all the work! He names ALL of your sins, "Jesus," and remembers that He KILLED your sins when He KILLED "Jesus."

Yeeshuwa` (Jesus) said in Luke 18:10-14 (NIV),

10“Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

13“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

14“I tell you that this man (the tax collector), rather than the other, went home JUSTIFIED BEFORE GOD. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

Paul told us this in 2 Corinthians 5:21:

21 God made Him (Jesus) who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

So, now, you have the opportunity to do this:

Isaiah 53:10-11 (NKJV)

10Yet it pleased the LORD (God) to bruise Him (Jesus);
HE (God) has put Him (Jesus) to grief.
WHEN YOU MAKE HIS SOUL (JESUS' SOUL) AN OFFERING FOR SIN,
He (God) shall see His seed (Jesus' children), He shall prolong His days (Jesus' days),
And the pleasure of the LORD (God) shall prosper in His hand (Jesus' hand).
11He (God) shall see the labor of His soul (Jesus' soul), and be satisfied.

BY HIS KNOWLEDGE MY RIGHTEOUS SERVANT (JESUS) SHALL JUSTIFY MANY, FOR HE SHALL BEAR THEIR INIQUITIES.

And, when you make His soul YOUR offering for sin, then God looks at you and sees His RIGHTEOUSNESS instead, the RIGHTEOUSNESS in Jesus! You no longer become a "sinner" but a TROPHY to His Son!

You CAN'T clean yourself up with anything you do! That's GOD'S business! Instead, make Yeeshuwa` (Jesus) YOUR offering for sin, and God will JUSTIFY you - DECLARE you to be "Righteousness!"

[Andrewoder1999]

Edited April 12, 2023 by Andrewoder1999
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[Dave-regenerated]

1 minute ago, Andrewoder1999 said:

The Pharisees committed it. They were not true believers. They were just religious.

God is justice, mercy, love, holy, pure, and perfect.  You are not. Why are you identifying yourself as a pharisee unless you are actually trolling people here?  Having 666 upside down as part of your username is really just advertising.

[Andrewoder1999]

11 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Andrew.

Peace to you.

The "unpardonable sin" is a sin from which there is no pardon PHYSICALLY. That person is on death's row for something like murder. There's no coming back from that. Someone may be trying desperately on your behalf to get an appeal, but if things don't change, when the time runs out, you are killed. In today's society, it is done painlessly (supposedly), but it is final.

Pardon me for being blunt, but if you truly have no "pangs of guilt, just wickedness," WHY ARE YOU HERE?!

See, I don't believe that you have none, or you wouldn't be so fearful.

NO ONE can undo his or her past. It is what it is. I've sinned against God in the past, and I will probably sin against God in the future, too. I don't want to do so, but ... hey... I'm human! HOWEVER, God can forgive EVERY sin, no matter how big one thinks it is! The only sin He cannot forgive is the one that He is never asked to forgive! Let me ask you a few questions:

1. How many sins had you committed when Yeeshuwa` ("Jesus") died on the cross?

2. So, how many of your sins were in the future when Yeeshuwa` died on the cross?

3. Can God forgive the sins a person commits in his or her past, that were still in the future when Yeeshuwa` died on the cross?

4. If so, then can God forgive the sins a person commits in his or her future, that were still in the future when Yeeshuwa` died on the cross?

See, the thing you don't understand is this: When God forgives a person of all his or her sins, He forgives him or her for ALL of his or her sins! There's no "half-way" stuff with Him! He doesn't just forgive the sins of the past; He forgives the SINNER!

The term the Bible uses is "justified." That person is "JUSTIFIED" by God. One doesn't have to get cleaned up before he or she comes to God; one comes to God just as he or she is! GOD does all the work! He names ALL of your sins, "Jesus," and remembers that He KILLED your sins when He KILLED "Jesus."

Yeeshuwa` (Jesus) said in Luke 18:10-14 (NIV),

10“Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

13“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

14“I tell you that this man (the tax collector), rather than the other, went home JUSTIFIED BEFORE GOD. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

Paul told us this in 2 Corinthians 5:21:

21 God made Him (Jesus) who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

So, now, you have the opportunity to do this:

Isaiah 53:10-11 (NKJV)

10Yet it pleased the LORD (God) to bruise Him (Jesus);
HE (God) has put Him (Jesus) to grief.
WHEN YOU MAKE HIS SOUL (JESUS' SOUL) AN OFFERING FOR SIN,
He (God) shall see His seed (Jesus' children), He shall prolong His days (Jesus' days),
And the pleasure of the LORD (God) shall prosper in His hand (Jesus' hand).
11He (God) shall see the labor of His soul (Jesus' soul), and be satisfied.

BY HIS KNOWLEDGE MY RIGHTEOUS SERVANT (JESUS) SHALL JUSTIFY MANY, FOR HE SHALL BEAR THEIR INIQUITIES.

And, when you make His soul YOUR offering for sin, then God looks at you and sees His RIGHTEOUSNESS instead, the RIGHTEOUSNESS in Jesus! You no longer become a "sinner" but a TROPHY to His Son!

You CAN'T clean yourself up with anything you do! That's GOD'S business! Instead, make Yeeshuwa` (Jesus) YOUR offering for sin, and God will JUSTIFY you - DECLARE you to be "Righteousness!"

Thanks for the advice. I will try to stop focusing on myself and focus on Christ and what He did for me.

[Retrobyter]

3 minutes ago, Andrewoder1999 said:

Thanks for the advice. I will try to stop focusing on myself and focus on Christ and what He did for me.

Shalom, Andrew.

Good idea. I might add, remember what Yeeshuwa` (Jesus) said in Luke 18, and be like the tax collector. Just come to God and ask Him to be merciful to you, acknowledging that you (like all of us) are just a sinner.

 

[Andrewoder1999]

2 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

In context of what is actually considered the unpardonable sin;  as verse 30 is the reason why Jesus is saying verse 31 by the use of "wherefore".

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. 

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

What the Pharisees were doing was scattering potential believers away from Jesus Christ, thus they, themselves were resisting believing in Jesus Christ.

The only unpardonable sin that a sinner will be convicted of after death is never having believed in Jesus Christ.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

So that means you and other sinners are free and clear to come to Jesus Christ to believe in Him to be saved.

Indeed, the Father would not bother to draw you unto the Son to reveal His Son to you so you can believe in Him to be saved is you really had committed the unpardonable sin.  Our believing in Him is the work of God for why we should give the Father thanks in Jesus's name.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

So rejoice brother for by believing in Jesus Christ, the Father has drawn you unto the Son to reveal His Son to you so you can believe in Jesus Christ for God to save you.

But the verse in mark about the unforgivable sin teaches that it is unforgivable because they deliberately spoke against the Spirit.

[ChristB4us]

22 minutes ago, Andrewoder1999 said:

But the verse in mark about the unforgivable sin teaches that it is unforgivable because they deliberately spoke against the Spirit.

I'd go with Matthew's reference as Wherefore is what He is talking about as what that sin is that is being committed against the Holy Ghost.

Matthew 12:29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. 

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Between the two references, Mark is not really citing that actual sin.  This can occur in other gospels where they include more of His words whereas the others did not.  

Matthew's has the full meaning by citing what that sin against the Holy Ghost was.

Mark 3:27 No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house. 28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

[Retrobyter]

31 minutes ago, Andrewoder1999 said:

But the verse in mark about the unforgivable sin teaches that it is unforgivable because they deliberately spoke against the Spirit.

Shalom, Andrew.

The verse in Matthew is about blasphemy against the Holy Spirit of God. It's an IRONIC passage, because of what the word "blasphemy" means.

This English word is a TRANSLITERATION of the Greek word, not a translation. A transliteration is where they simply exchange English letters for Greek letters. The Greek word is "blaspheemia" or actually "βλασφημία." It means, "From blaspheemos; vilification (especially against God) -- blasphemy, evil speaking, railing."

But, who uses "vilification" anymore, right? The dictionary says, it's "abusively disparaging speech," and "disparaging" means "expressing the opinion that something is of little worth; derogatory." So, someone is saying that God is "something of little worth." Therefore, it means to say that God isn't big enough - isn't important enough. Another dictionary adds the words "slander, insulting, belittling."

Here's what's ironic: If God isn't big enough to forgive sins, then who's left who can?!

THAT'S why it is "unforgivable!" If someone's sin is so great that God can't forgive it, then there's no one left to forgive it! Just remember that God is the CREATOR of the Universe, and He is MORE than capable of forgiving sins, and then God can forgive ANY sinner! It's also a form of self-idolatry: One is saying "my sin is so huge, even GOD can't forgive it!" It's PRIDE! And, it's wrong.