The Battle of Gog of the Land of Magog

[Retrobyter]

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

The disciples asked for the sign of Jesus coming and he gave them the sign of his coming.

Shalom, Shilohsfoal.

That's not ALL for which they asked! Look at it again CAREFULLY!

Matthew 24:1-3 (KJV)

1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said unto them,

"See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying,

"Tell us, (1) when shall these things be? and (2) what shall be the sign of thy coming, and (3) (what shall be the sign) of the end of the world (Greek: tou aioonos = 'of-the age')?"

Yes, He DID give them the "sign of His coming," but He also gave them information as to WHEN the buildings of the Temple would be torn down (which was in 70 A.D.), and He also gave them the sign for the end of the age. Not everything He said in the Olivet Discourse was about His Second Coming!

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

He said the abomination of desolation which Daniel shows takes place at the time of the end,is a sign of his coming.

No, He told them that they THEMSELVES would SEE the signs leading up to the AoD! That was in the FIRST Century A.D! Then, He told them that there would be a great tribulation put upon them and AFTER the tribulation would come the sign of His Coming! One MUST read this correctly if one is going to understand it! And, even more importantly, he must read it correctly if he is going to TEACH it to others!

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

It is the major sign of his coming.Jesus was also quoting Daniel when he said what would happen when the abomination of desolation is placed .Here is a quote from the book of Daniel.

Mathew 24

²¹ For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

 

This quote taken from the book of Daniel takes place the same day that those who sleep in the dust are raised.This is called the resurrection of the dead by most people.

 

Daniel 12:1-2

And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.

And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt.

EXACTLY SO! However, one MUST understand that the messenger is telling Daniel MUCH in these couple of verses, summarizing them because they would not be personally important to Daniel himself. In fact, he is told to close the scroll and seal it for now (for then).

The problem is that many, MANY, MANY people have erroneously tied the "seventieth week" of years to the "great tribulation." They are NOT THE SAME THING! NOWHERE in Scripture will you find them equated! The great tribulation has been going on for almost 2,000 years now! The seventieth week was SPLIT IN HALF by the Messiah! The first three and a half years were BEFORE the great tribulation. It was the time when Yeeshuwa` offered the Kingdom to the Jews and they rejected Him. So, He left them "DESOLATE" until they can welcome Him back as GOD'S Messiah. The second three and a half years will occur AFTER the great tribulation, as the Messiah returns and offers them the Kingdom once again! The two halves of the seventieth week are like BOOKENDS to the great tribulation!

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Now you've made it sound as though you believe the resurrection is already past but these are signs of Jesus coming and these verses have not been fulfilled.

Nope. The resurrection is yet to come with the coming of the Messiah, which FOLLOWS the long and great tribulation.

[Shilohsfoal]

7 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Shilohsfoal.

That's not ALL for which they asked! Look at it again CAREFULLY!

Matthew 24:1-3 (KJV)

1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said unto them,

"See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying,

"Tell us, (1) when shall these things be? and (2) what shall be the sign of thy coming, and (3) (what shall be the sign) of the end of the world (Greek: tou aioonos = 'of-the age')?"

Yes, He DID give them the "sign of His coming," but He also gave them information as to WHEN the buildings of the Temple would be torn down (which was in 70 A.D.), and He also gave them the sign for the end of the age. Not everything He said in the Olivet Discourse was about His Second Coming!

No, He told them that they THEMSELVES would SEE the signs leading up to the AoD! That was in the FIRST Century A.D! Then, He told them that there would be a great tribulation put upon them and AFTER the tribulation would come the sign of His Coming! One MUST read this correctly if one is going to understand it! And, even more importantly, he must read it correctly if he is going to TEACH it to others!

EXACTLY SO! However, one MUST understand that the messenger is telling Daniel MUCH in these couple of verses, summarizing them because they would not be personally important to Daniel himself. In fact, he is told to close the scroll and seal it for now (for then).

The problem is that many, MANY, MANY people have erroneously tied the "seventieth week" of years to the "great tribulation." They are NOT THE SAME THING! NOWHERE in Scripture will you find them equated! The great tribulation has been going on for almost 2,000 years now! The seventieth week was SPLIT IN HALF by the Messiah! The first three and a half years were BEFORE the great tribulation. It was the time when Yeeshuwa` offered the Kingdom to the Jews and they rejected Him. So, He left them "DESOLATE" until they can welcome Him back as GOD'S Messiah. The second three and a half years will occur AFTER the great tribulation, as the Messiah returns and offers them the Kingdom once again! The two halves of the seventieth week are like BOOKENDS to the great tribulation!

Nope. The resurrection is yet to come with the coming of the Messiah, which FOLLOWS the long and great tribulation.

I recon Jesus hasn't said anything to you then.According to what you just said ,Jesus only spoke to his 12 disciples .

In the meantime,I've spent the last few decades watching the prophecy of Daniel 11 being fulfilled.And they continue to the time of the end which you believe has as already come and gone.

[Retrobyter]

6 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

I reckon Jesus hasn't said anything to you then.According to what you just said ,Jesus only spoke to his 12 disciples .

In the meantime,I've spent the last few decades watching the prophecy of Daniel 11 being fulfilled.And they continue to the time of the end which you believe has as already come and gone.

Shalom, Shilohsfoal.

If that's all you got from my last post, please go back and re-read it again (or maybe for the FIRST time).

No, Yeeshuwa` ("Jesus") was speaking to ALL of His disciples, but He DID have an audience in the first Century! You CANNOT neglect that! He wasn't JUST speaking into the air for us!

If you've been speinding the last few decades watching the prophecy of Daniel 11 being fulfilled, then you've misunderstood the prophecy of Daniel 11! The prophecy has BEEN FULFILLED and won't be repeated! It ENDED with the death of Herod the Great! And, this does NOT include the prophecy of Daniel 12:1-3. Those ARE (for the most part) yet to be fulfilled in our time and our future.

HOWEVER, there are OTHER prophecies that DO talk about the "beast" and the "man against the Torah." These ARE yet to be fulfilled! Spend your time on something that won't be a WASTE of your time!

[Shilohsfoal]

14 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Shilohsfoal.

If that's all you got from my last post, please go back and re-read it again (or maybe for the FIRST time).

No, Yeeshuwa` ("Jesus") was speaking to ALL of His disciples, but He DID have an audience in the first Century! You CANNOT neglect that! He wasn't JUST speaking into the air for us!

If you've been speinding the last few decades watching the prophecy of Daniel 11 being fulfilled, then you've misunderstood the prophecy of Daniel 11! The prophecy has BEEN FULFILLED and won't be repeated! It ENDED with the death of Herod the Great! And, this does NOT include the prophecy of Daniel 12:1-3. Those ARE (for the most part) yet to be fulfilled in our time and our future.

HOWEVER, there are OTHER prophecies that DO talk about the "beast" and the "man against the Torah." These ARE yet to be fulfilled! Spend your time on something that won't be a WASTE of your time!

No,Daniel 11 has not yet been completely fulfilled.It appears that is still has several more years to go.

Probably about 4 after Trump's reelection then that's it.

[Retrobyter]

12 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

No,Daniel 11 has not yet been completely fulfilled.It appears that is still has several more years to go.

Probably about 4 after Trump's reelection then that's it.

Trump's re-election is NOT found in Daniel 11! Neither was his FIRST election! If you're reading this into Daniel 11, then you MUST learn the difference between exegesis and eisegesis!

Personally, I don't think Trump will be re-elected. He has too many black marks against him to win. He MIGHT be able to win in the Republican Party, but I think another candidate, like Ron DeSantis, has a better chance at winning FOR the Republican Party in the national election.

As Adrian Monk used to say, "I could be wrong, but ... I'm not."

[Shilohsfoal]

Just now, Retrobyter said:

Trump's re-election is NOT found in Daniel 11! Neither was his FIRST election! If you're reading this into Daniel 11, then you MUST learn the difference between exegesis and eisegesis!

Personally, I don't think Trump will be re-elected. He has too many black marks against him to win. He MIGHT be able to win in the Republican Party, but I think another candidate, like Ron DeSantis, has a better chance at winning FOR the Republican Party in the national election.

As Adrian Monk used to say, "I could be wrong, but ... I'm not."

I said,I've been watching Daniel 11 being fulfilled for decades now.

The entire time you've been sleeping on the job.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

[Retrobyter]

16 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

I said,I've been watching Daniel 11 being fulfilled for decades now.

The entire time you've been sleeping on the job.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

Shalom, Shilohsfoal.

Sorry. I'm not a coffee drinker. I'm more a diet soda man myself (with caffeine, of course). 

Not been "sleeping on the job"; just not listening to the NONSENSE anymore!

[Shilohsfoal]

2 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Shilohsfoal.

Sorry. I'm not a coffee drinker. I'm more a diet soda man myself (with caffeine, of course). 

Not been "sleeping on the job"; just not listening to the NONSENSE anymore!

Sounds like you have listened to plenty of non sense.

You won't even do what Jesus said to do.

Watch.

[Revelation Man]

On 4/19/2023 at 8:29 PM, Charles R. Sabo said:

Ezekiel 38:4 And I will turn you back, and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you forth, and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armor, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords: The encounter that Gog is being turned back from is located within Daniel 11:40-43. As I had explained from Ezekiel 29-30, the end-times judgment against Egypt is weaved within Ezekiel 29:8-16, 30:1-9, and 30:12-19. Gog of the land of Magog is the “king of the north” within Daniel 11:40-45.

Daniel 11:40-43 s the End Time Anti-Christ, not Gog the Leader of a coalition including Russia, Turkey, Iran and a few North African nations which are mostly just tag-alongs without much power, but the land is seem as strategic outposts. This all happens BEFORE the Daniel 11:40-43 war, Daniel 11:36-45 is the full Anti-Christ picture, Dan. 11:40-43 is the actual war where he goes forth conquering, we see in Dan. 8:9 he conquers TOWARDS the South and TOWARDS the East and TOWARDS Israel, so that means he conquers from the Northwest Corridor of this Four General map, a simple four way directional map in reality. He conquers towards Turkey, towards Egypt and towards Israel. That is indeed the actual Dan. 11:40-43 war.

The Gog & Magog war chases Israel into the arms of the E.U. Leader or President, who is the Anti-Christ. Israel will join the E.U. that is the Covenant/AGREEMENT. Getting these wars crossed up will lead us down wrong paths and cul-de-sacs. It seems you pasted some commentary you like, but remember, we are living in the end times, a time when God promised to reveal all of His secrets unto us, so don't rely strictly on old commentary. 

On 4/19/2023 at 8:29 PM, Charles R. Sabo said:

 With the ancient post-flood migration map below, we can see that Magog settled north of the Caspian Sea, which looks to be Russia and Kazakhstan of the current day.

Gog is the "Leader" the word Magog came from around 2500 or so years ago from what I have been able to gather as per the mention in a write up via a famous historian of the time, of course the write ups always followed the stories back then so this probably happened a couple hundred years before. The Chinese called the people attacking them at the "ramparts" Magog, this led to them building the Great Wall of China because these men were "Great Horsemen" who could ride backwards on a horse whilst shooting the legend goes. So, that is where Magog comes from, hence the future leader in this same area (Over the Stepp mountains) was called Gog by Ezekiel because the people were called Magog by a well known historian of the time.

Trying to make Gog the Anti-Christ is an error. Gog chases Israel into the hands of the Anti-Christ, God thus places the hooks in his mouth to achieve that very purpose. God proves that when Israel are in fear they always look to anyone but Him for protection. 

 

 

 

[Retrobyter]

On 8/22/2023 at 11:01 AM, Shilohsfoal said:

Sounds like you have listened to plenty of non sense.

You won't even do what Jesus said to do.

Watch.

Shalom, Shilohsfoal.

I DO WATCH! I also PAY ATTENTION! I also GUARD the sayings in the book! These were commands in the Olivet Discourse, too!

One must understand to whom Yeeshuwa` was speaking and under what circumstances!

Here's an English translation of the Harmony of the Greek versions of Matthew 24:1-51 and 25:1-46, Mark 13:1-37, and Luke 21:5-36:

And Yeeshuwa` ("Jesus") coming out of the Temple departed, and as He was departing, one out of His disciples said to Him,

"Teacher, see what stones and what buildings!"

And, His disciples came to Him to show Him the buildings of the Temple. And, as some were speaking about the Temple that it was adorned with goodly stones and consecrated gifts, Yeeshuwa` answered and said to him,

"Do you see these things, the huge buildings?"

But, He responding to them all, said,

"Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, These things which ye are beholding the days will come in which not, surely not, shall be left a stone upon a stone that shall not, surely not, be torn down!"

And, He sat down upon the Mountain of the Olives, but as He was sitting upon the Mountain of the Olives opposite the Temple, the disciples Kefa ("Peter") and Ya`aqoV ("Jacob" or "James") and Yochanan ("John") and Andreas ("Andrew"), approached Him down privately, asking,

"Teacher, tell us when these things shall be, and what [is] the sign of thy revealing when all these things should about to become, and [what is the sign] of the entire completion of the age?"

But, Yeeshuwa` answering began to say to them,

"Take heed so surely not anyone misleads you and you be led astray! For many shall come upon my authority, saying, 'I am He, the Messiah, and the time has drawn near!' And, they will mislead many. Therefore, do not you go with them! But, when you shall attend and hear of wars and you discern clearly reports of wars, do not be frightened, and when you shall hear of revolutions, do not be terrified. For all these things must happen, but not immediately yet is the end."

Then He said to them,

"For nation shall awaken against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there shall be famines and pestilences and there shall be huge earthquakes and troubles down various locations, fearful sights, and also from [the] skies there shall be great signs, but all these things [are the] beginning of labor pains.

"But you look out for yourselves, and before all these things, they will lay their hands upon you. Then, you shall be surrendered into tribulation (pressure), and you shall be surrendered into sanhedrims, and they will persecute you, delivering you up into sanhedrims and you will be beaten into synagogues and into prisons, and they will bring you and you will be brought before governors and kings, and they shall kill you, on account of my name, but it shall turn out to you for a testimony to them. And first. the good message must be proclaimed into all the nations. But when they may lead you away, delivering up up, do not be careful beforehand what you should say nor mediate [your reply], but whatever the [thing] may be given to you in this hour, this speak, for you are not they who speak but the Holy Spirit. Therefore, settle into your heart not to premeditate to make a defense for I will give you a mouth and a wisdom to which all those opposing you shall not be able to reply nor to resist.

"But brother will deliver up brother into death and father [will deliver up] the child, and children will rise up against parents and deliver them to death. But, even you will be delivered up by parents and brothers [siblings] and relatives and friends, and they will put [some] from among you to death. And you will be hated by all the nations on account of my name, and a hair out of your head in no way may perish by your patient endurance you will gain your air-breathing creatures. And then many shall be skandalized and shall be betray one another and will hate one another. And many lying prophets will arise and will mislead many, and because the lawlessness will have been multiplied, the love of the many will grow cold. But, the one who endures into the conclusion he shall be rescued. And then, the good news of the Kingdom shall be heralded in all the habitable earth into a witness to all the nations and then the end shall come.

"But, when you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, then know that its destruction has drawn near. Therefore, you shall see the Abomination of the Desolation, the one which was spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in [the] holy place where it must not be. (Let the one who [is] reading this understand.) Then let those in Yhudah ('Judah' or 'Judaea') flee into the mountains. But let not the one upon the roof-top come down into the house nor go inside to take anything out of his house. And, let not the one in the field return into the [place] behind to take his garment, and let those in its middle depart out and let those in the countrysides/fields  not enter into it. For these are vengeance days that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

"But, OOAHEE! to those who are with a child in the belly and to those who nurse in those days! But pray that your flight may not be in winter nor on Shabbat. For then there shall be those days of pressure (tribulation) nor has been the like since [the] beginning of Creation of [the] world which God created until the present and not at all shall be! And, if [the] master had not shortened those days, there would not have been any body rescued. But, on account of the chosen [ones] whom He chose, those days shall be shortened. For great distress will be in the Land and violent passion in this people. And they shall fall by the sword's mouth and shall be led away captive into all the nations and Jerusalem shall be trodden down by [the] nations until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

"And then, if anyone says to you, 'Look! Here's the Messiah!' or 'Here [He is]!' or 'Look! There [He is]!' Do not believe it! For there will arise lying Messiahs and lying prophets and will give great signs and miracles for the deception so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen [ones]. But, you watch out! Look, I've told you all beforehand. Therefore, if they say to you, 'Look! He is in the wilderness!' Do not go out there! 'Look! He is in the chambers!' Do not believe it! For as the lightning flashes forth from [the] east and shines as far as [the] west, so shall the revealing of the Son of the man be! For wherever the carcase may be, there the eagles/vultures will be gathered together!

"But, in those days immediately after the pressure (tribulation) of those days, there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars that the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not shine its light, and the stars shall fall and be fallen out of the sky, and nations' distress [shall be] upon the Land in confusion, sea and waves roaring, men's hearst failing them from fear and dreading those things which are coming upon the habitable earth, and for the powers of the skies shall also be shaken!

"And then the sign of the Son of the man shall appear in the sky. And then all the families of the Land shall wail and they shall see the Son of the man coming above the clouds of the sky, coming in clouds, coming in a cloud, with great power and great brightness! And then He shall send His messengers with a loud trumpeting sound and they shall gather His chosen ones together out of the four winds, from a lower limit of earth to a lower limit of the sky to the other limit of the sky.

"But, [when] these things [are] beginning to come to pass, look up and raise up you heads for your redemption draws near!"

And He spake a parable to them:

"But learn the parable from the fig tree: Look at the fig tree and all the trees. When its branch is already beginning [to be] tender/green, and they shoot forth now, and they put forth the buds/leaves, you see for yourselves and know that summer is near. So also when you see all these things come to pass, you know that God's kingdom is near, at the doors.

"Truly I say to you that not ever will have passed this generation until each one of all these things be fulfilled, until the whole of these things be fulfilled. The sky and the earth shall pass by but my words shall not ever pass by. But, of that day and hour no one knows, not even those messengers of the sky in [the] sky, nor the Son, but only my one Father. 

"But like the days of Noach, in the same way the revealing of the Son of the man will be. For like they were those same in the day before the Flood they were munching and guzzling, marrying and arranging marriages until that day Noach entered into the box/ark. And, they were not aware until the Flood came and swept absolutely all away; so also shall the revealing of the Son of the man be. Then, two shall be in the field; the one shall be received near, but the other shall be sent away. Two shall be grinding at the millhouse; one shall be received near, and one shall be sent forth."

That takes us through Matthew 24:41, Mark 13:32, and Luke 21:33. I'll do more later.

I'll start again with Matthew 24:42, Mark 13:33, and Luke 21:34 next. In these verses there are SEVERAL verbs of command: Blepete, Agrupneite, proseuchesthe, prosechete, Greegoreite, and Katischuseete. That's 26 out of the 48 pages of this spreadsheet; so, I'm a little more than half way.

Edited August 29, 2023 by Retrobyter
to fix a spelling error