The 5th Seal : Global martyrdom of Christians and destruction of Christianity

[R. Hartono]

The 5th Seal opened by Jesus revealed there will be global martyrdom of Christians in the great tribulation. The 7 Seals have already been opened to reveal the secret of end times to the church, which has not happenned yet.

Rev. 6 ⁹ And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held.

John saw 2 group of people in heaven, one is the raptured great multitude of Rev 7, another group are martyrs found under the Altar.

However, the global martyrdom of Christians will happen only in the 7 years (a little season) of Great Tribulation :

Revelation 6 ¹¹ And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Please advise your opinion of what exactly is the cause of global martyrdom of Christians in the great tribulation ?

Imho the 5th Seal is caused by RADICALISM of religion.

Radicalism does not happen in one day, it has been planted, nourished and grown by the people behind the scene.

Such as ISIS :

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/11/politics/donald-trump-hugh-hewitt-obama-founder-isis/index.html

This is only the shadow, the omen of what will happen to Christianity in the Great Tribulation

https://cufi.org/issue/horror-as-isis-kills-250-christian-children-by-kneading-them-to-death-in-bread-machine/ji

The hidden power that be has created systematically the radicalism long before isis. They have end times agenda to promote the 2nd Beast of Revelation who will make fire come down on the earth in Jerusalem temple mount, but he brings his own religion.

https://www.israel365news.com/323202/did-the-quran-come-to-replace-the-torah/

Rev 13 ¹³ And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

This picture could be the typical radicalism of the 2nd beast of Revelation and he may force radicalism /Khilafah as the ONE WORLD RELIGION that causes global martyrdom. Resistants will end up as revealed by the 5th Seal.

Edited September 20, 2023 by R. Hartono

[DeighAnn]

There is a 'falling away' and there are fellowservants.  The GREAT tribulation comes upon all who take the mark of the beast, both those who have fallen away and those who have always been of the world.  

11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Doesn't say EVERYONE but those who SHOULD BE KILLED AS THEY WERE.  

What do you see as taking place SPIRITUALLY, as it is a spiritual war, rather than this CARNAL side put forth, as far as death is concerned? 

[Selah7]

7 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

There is a 'falling away' and there are fellowservants.  The GREAT tribulation comes upon all who take the mark of the beast, both those who have fallen away and those who have always been of the world.  

11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Doesn't say EVERYONE but those who SHOULD BE KILLED AS THEY WERE.  

What do you see as taking place SPIRITUALLY, as it is a spiritual war, rather than this CARNAL side put forth, as far as death is concerned? 

Yes,

and the falling away is the great apostasy.  In one instant, Christians who have been going to church all their lives will be deceived by the AC and begin worshiping him—just like that!  Woe; they have just taken the mark of the beast.  Folks, our Messiah returns after the antichrist (Satan).  There’s no pretrib rapture going to happen.  Don’t be deceived.

Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

- 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

[DeighAnn]

2 minutes ago, Selah7 said:

and the falling away is the great apostasy.  In one instant, Christians who have been going to church all their lives will be deceived by the AC and begin worshiping him—just like that!  Woe; they have just taken the mark of the beast.  Folks, our Messiah returns after the antichrist (Satan).  There’s no pretrib rapture going to happen.  Don’t be deceived.

Couple quick questions,

27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: 

Do you see that as being when Rev 13

1And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.



 and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,

Do you believe the worshipping of the image is the end of 'sacrifice and oblation' to God?






 

[Selah7]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

Couple quick questions,

27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: 

Do you see that as being when Rev 13

1And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.



 and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,

Do you believe the worshipping of the image is the end of 'sacrifice and oblation' to God?






 

Yes, I do.

Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?"

- Revelation 13:1-4 (NKJV)

The first beast that comes out of the sea (peoples) mentioned in Revelation 13 is the one-world system.  And we know one of its heads (a nation) will receive a deadly wound which the second beast in verse 4, the one that the world marvels and follows after, is Satan/the AC (the dragon).

And when the AC causes the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, people will worship him (the image/AC) instead, believing his lies and blasphemous claims that he is Jesus—apostasy!  

[DeighAnn]

54 minutes ago, Selah7 said:

 

The first beast that comes out of the sea (peoples) mentioned in Revelation 13 is the one-world system.  And we know one of its heads (a nation) will receive a deadly wound which the second beast in verse 4, the one that the world marvels and follows after, is Satan/the AC (the dragon).

And when the AC causes the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, people will worship him (the image/AC) instead, believing his lies and blasphemous claims that he is Jesus—apostasy!  

Thank you, I agree.  

[truth7t7]

8 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

The 5th Seal opened by Jesus revealed there will be global martyrdom of Christians in the great tribulation. The 7 Seals have already been opened to reveal the secret of end times to the church, which has not happenned yet.

Rev. 6 ⁹ And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held.

John saw 2 group of people in heaven, one is the raptured great multitude of Rev 7, another group are martyrs found under the Altar.

However, the global martyrdom of Christians will happen only in the 7 years (a little season) of Great Tribulation :

Revelation 6 ¹¹ And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Please advise your opinion of what exactly is the cause of global martyrdom of Christians in the great tribulation ?

Imho the 5th Seal is caused by RADICALISM of religion.

Radicalism does not happen in one day, it has been planted, nourished and grown by the people behind the scene.

Such as ISIS :

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/11/politics/donald-trump-hugh-hewitt-obama-founder-isis/index.html

This is only the shadow, the omen of what will happen to Christianity in the Great Tribulation

https://cufi.org/issue/horror-as-isis-kills-250-christian-children-by-kneading-them-to-death-in-bread-machine/ji

The hidden power that be has created systematically the radicalism long before isis. They have end times agenda to promote the 2nd Beast of Revelation who will make fire come down on the earth in Jerusalem temple mount, but he brings his own religion.

Rev 13 ¹³ And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

This picture could be the typical radicalism of the 2nd beast of Revelation and he may force radicalism as the ONE WORLD RELIGION that cause global martyrdom. Resistants will end up as revealed by the 5th Seal.

The Two Witnesses Will Dominate The Entire Tribulation, Something Many Disregard As Non-Existent

Try Reading Exodus And The Plagues Upon Pharaoh And Egypt, It's Going To Be A Complete Replay

God's Divine Protection, "Open Your Ears"

(Revelation) 13:9-10KJV

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

God's Divine Protection During The Final Hour Of Earth's Temptation, Just Like The Passover In Egypt, "Open Your Ears"

Isaiah 26:20-21KJV

20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

The Great Trib Will Be Upon The Antichrist And Wicked, The Church Is Protected, Dont Be Deceived

There's Going To Be An End Times Persecution, The Beast And His Kingdom Are The Target Of God's Empowered (Two Witnesses)

The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected

The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees

All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30

Ephesians 1:13KJV

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV

30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal Will Be Tormented, The Sealed Church Is Protected

Revelation 9:3-6KJV

3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:3-6

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 16:1-11KJV

1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.

5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.

6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.

8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

[Selah7]

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

The Two Witnesses Will Dominate The Entire Tribulation, Something Many Disregard As Non-Existent

Try Reading Exodus And The Plagues Upon Pharaoh And Egypt, It's Going To Be A Complete Replay

God's Divine Protection, "Open Your Ears"

(Revelation) 13:9-10KJV

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

God's Divine Protection During The Final Hour Of Earth's Temptation, Just Like The Passover In Egypt, "Open Your Ears"

Isaiah 26:20-21KJV

20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

The Great Trib Will Be Upon The Antichrist And Wicked, The Church Is Protected, Dont Be Deceived

There's Going To Be An End Times Persecution, The Beast And His Kingdom Are The Target Of God's Empowered (Two Witnesses)

The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected

The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees

All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30

Ephesians 1:13KJV

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV

30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal Will Be Tormented, The Sealed Church Is Protected

Revelation 9:3-6KJV

3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:3-6

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 16:1-11KJV

1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.

5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.

6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.

8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

Sounds good; I agree. 

Revelation 11:3  And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

According to the verse above, the two witnesses have one thousand two hundred and threescore days which = 3 1/2 years.  Notice that it’s days, not moons.  This is the last half of the 3 1/2 year period shortened to 2 1/2 months if we consider Revelation 9:5:  And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months. Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man.

Since 1260 days are longer than 42 months, it follows that the two witnesses will arrive in Jerusalem a few days before the Antichrist.  The two witnesses should therefore be spotted around two and a half months into the locusts' five-month period.  

and there’s my  

[R. Hartono]

4 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

The Two Witnesses Will Dominate The Entire Tribulation, Something Many Disregard As Non-Existent

Try Reading Exodus And The Plagues Upon Pharaoh And Egypt, It's Going To Be A Complete Replay

God's Divine Protection, "Open Your Ears"

(Revelation) 13:9-10KJV

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

God's Divine Protection During The Final Hour Of Earth's Temptation, Just Like The Passover In Egypt, "Open Your Ears"

Isaiah 26:20-21KJV

20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

The Great Trib Will Be Upon The Antichrist And Wicked, The Church Is Protected, Dont Be Deceived

There's Going To Be An End Times Persecution, The Beast And His Kingdom Are The Target Of God's Empowered (Two Witnesses)

The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected

The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees

All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30

Ephesians 1:13KJV

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV

30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal Will Be Tormented, The Sealed Church Is Protected

Revelation 9:3-6KJV

3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:3-6

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 16:1-11KJV

1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.

5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.

6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.

8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

The 2 Witnesses do not save people who believe their Gospel testimony from being martyred.

Edited April 30, 2023 by R. Hartono

[Revelation Man]

On 4/30/2023 at 4:59 AM, R. Hartono said:

The 5th Seal opened by Jesus revealed there will be global martyrdom of Christians in the great tribulation. The 7 Seals have already been opened to reveal the secret of end times to the church, which has not happenned yet.

 

Still traveling down that wrong path rabbit hole I see. No Seals have been opened, the Seals DO NOTHING anyway, they are only to give us an IMAGERY of Jesus opening up the Scrolls that hold the Wrath, with each Seal that (WOW) have the Scrolls still SEALED, Jesus prophesies what will soon come when the 7th Seal is finally opened up, hence it is over in Rev. 8. The church in general is so confused, no wonder we have no unity, no power.

 

On 4/30/2023 at 4:59 AM, R. Hartono said:

Rev. 6 ⁹ And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held.

John saw 2 group of people in heaven, one is the raptured great multitude of Rev 7, another group are martyrs found under the Altar.

However, the global martyrdom of Christians will happen only in the 7 years (a little season) of Great Tribulation :

 

1.) The Church will not be on earth, anyone who can't see tat I trust nothing they say about Eschatology in general. If you can't get the very simple things right why would I listen about the more complex issues?

2.) Those John saw in Rev. 7 came out of the Church Age which was great tribulation, just not the greatest ever.

3.) Those the A.C. kill are born again  after the Pre Trib Rapture, and he only rules of the E.U. and the Mediterranean Sea Region.

On 4/30/2023 at 4:59 AM, R. Hartono said:

Revelation 6 ¹¹ And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

 

Meaning no ne can be Raptured during the 70th week and Rev. 20:4 agrees with this.

On 4/30/2023 at 4:59 AM, R. Hartono said:

Please advise your opinion of what exactly is the cause of global martyrdom of Christians in the great tribulation ?

Imho the 5th Seal is caused by RADICALISM of religion.

 

The Anti-Christ will wipe out Islam and ALL False Religion, and Martyr all who refuse to accept the Mark of the Beast, but he only rules in the E.U. and the Mediterranean Sea Region he conquers.

Come on brother, reread this stuff and pray for guidance. 

Edited May 1, 2023 by Revelation Man