What does this passage mean?

[Last Daze]

4 hours ago, Mr. M said:

To endure unto the end is more than succumbing

to evil, but also to not give in to complacency.

Zephaniah 1:12 And it shall come to pass at that time
That I will search Jerusalem with lamps,
And punish the men
Who are settled in complacency,
Who say in their heart,
The Lord will not do good,
Nor will He do evil.

Revelation 2:4 Nevertheless I have this against you,

that you have left your first love. 

Many interpret this to mean lack of devotion to

the Lord Himself. I would contend that this is 

leaving devotion to Christ, i.e. one another, His Body.

1 John 4:20 If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother,

he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen,

 how can he love God whom he has not seen? 

21 And this commandment we have from Him:

that he who loves God must love his brother also.

Thanks for your thoughts.  I don't disagree with you here, or with the others who have stated a similar view.  My point is that the enduring that Jesus states in Matthew 24 is specific to the end times.  That enduring has been identified to be the war against the saints brought about by the man of sin through the image and the mark.

Stay awake and be on the alert.

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, Last Daze said:

That enduring has been identified to be the war against the saints brought about by the man of sin through the image and the mark.

Stay awake and be on the alert.

War against the saints as in "The Church?

Where is this teaching found in scripture?

[Shilohsfoal]

9 hours ago, WilliamL said:

It is not either/or, it is both/and. Angels and saints at the Parousia.

The heavenly saints must return with Jesus to be rejoined with their resurrected and purified bodies. 1 Thes. 4:14

Jesus will use the angels to gather the earthly elect unto Himself.

I don't remember Jesus taking any saints with him when he left.If I'm.not mistaken ,Jesus is the only one that has ascended to God's throne.

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

War against the saints as in "The Church?

Where is this teaching found in scripture?

I think about anyone who is familiar with scripture knows where war against the saints can be found.

[WilliamL]

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

I don't remember Jesus taking any saints with him when he left.If I'm.not mistaken ,Jesus is the only one that has ascended to God's throne.

The 24 elders are there right now.

Paul wrote that when he died he would "be together with Christ." Phil. 1:23

Edited May 10, 2023 by WilliamL

[Shilohsfoal]

4 hours ago, Last Daze said:

Thanks for your thoughts.  I don't disagree with you here, or with the others who have stated a similar view.  My point is that the enduring that Jesus states in Matthew 24 is specific to the end times.  That enduring has been identified to be the war against the saints brought about by the man of sin through the image and the mark.

Stay awake and be on the alert.

How often have you compared Daniels prophecies concerning the end times to revelation?

Things like this,

 

Revelation 13:7

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
 

Daniel 7:21

I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

 

 

 

And then you have the host given to the little horn.

 

 

 

Daniel 8:12

And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

Daniel 11:31

“His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.

Revelation 13

It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.

And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people.

 

 

 

It reminds me of 2000 years ago when Jesus was walking around Israel.The gentile military occupying Israel.And as the Jewish leaders condemned Jesus to death by their laws,the gentiles carried out the punishment.

It's truly a stunning revelation.

 

Edited May 10, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Shilohsfoal]

17 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

The 24 elders are there right now.

Really,who are they and are they resurected in the first resurection of the dead or the last resurrection of the dead?

Or have they never died and been resurected?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 10, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[WilliamL]

55 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

56 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

The 24 elders are there right now.

Paul wrote that when he died he would "be together with Christ." Phil. 1:23

Really,who are they and are they resurected in the first resurection of the dead or the last resurrection of the dead?

Or have they never died and been resurected?

They likely are the ones risen from the dead shortly after Jesus was. Matt. 27:52-53 

Or, they may be in the same state as Paul.

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

I think about anyone who is familiar with scripture knows where war against the saints can be found.

Please show the forum, where are these saints you claim are the Church, waiting?

[Shilohsfoal]

6 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Please show the forum, where are these saints you claim are the Church, waiting?

I already have.Open your eyes.