This One Thing Will Make You Believe in Noah’s Flood

[teddyv]

17 minutes ago, LiveWire said:

But this Verse shows us, Science, is DEAD Wrong!

Are you referring to Day-Age interpretation? It's not a theory by definition of the word, unless you are using that in a more colloquial sense.

[LiveWire]

8 minutes ago, teddyv said:

Are you referring to Day-Age interpretation? It's not a theory by definition of the word, unless you are using that in a more colloquial sense.

I love Science and Mathematics, like Galileo claimed, the Two Staples belong together because one proves the other.  Not the other way around, but one set of proof is solid enough.   The Big Bang Theory, has no Mathematical Proofs and was a offered up suggestion that could not be proven nor dis-proven and has just remained.   Really, that leaves us with only the Bible.   Even when Measuring the Universe Spectrum, we conveniently skip over red-lines and other factors that determine the Universe is much younger than 13 Billion years old.

 

The Holy Spirit really nailed it in these Verses.  Actually, places Man up almost to Creation itself.   That is my Barometer of truth.

Edited June 9, 2023 by LiveWire

[teddyv]

1 hour ago, LiveWire said:

I love Science and Mathematics, like Galileo claimed, the Two Staples belong together because one proves the other.  Not the other way around, but one set of proof is solid enough.   The Big Bang Theory, has no Mathematical Proofs and was a offered up suggestion that could not be proven nor dis-proven and has just remained.   Really, that leaves us with only the Bible.   Even when Measuring the Universe Spectrum, we conveniently skip over red-lines and other factors that determine the Universe is much younger than 13 Billion years old.

No scientific theory is proven. There are some mathematical constructs for the Bib Bang theory, which I won't pretend to understand. Only that they do exist.

The Bible is fantastic for revealing God's role in human history and the means of salvation and serving him. It is not a text book on the "how it happened". He has given us the means to discover our place in the universe.

1 hour ago, LiveWire said:

 

The Holy Spirit really nailed it in these Verses.  Actually, places Man up almost to Creation itself.   That is my Barometer of truth.

This is an assumption of history that is framed within Modernity and rationality from the last couple of hundred years; not what the initial audience would have heard or taken away.

[ChristB4us]

18 hours ago, BeyondET said:

A good experiment to test some of things the author is saying.

Would be to make a rock out of wet soil. How long does it take for soft dirt to turn to harden rock.

There are places quite similar to the Grand Canyon like Valles Marineris on Mars the largest known canyon in the solar system.

Certainly there was no flood on Mars, so looking at the Grand Canyon as a product of a global flood isn't logical. Canyons are a natural feature on earth and other planets.

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Let us examine the cause of the global flood.

Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. 12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. 

What is the significance of these fountains of the deep?

Genesis 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

The mid-Atlantic Mountain range, which is now underwater, was believed by scientists that it developed from water coming out of the ground as hydro-thermal field vents are found still active along that ridge.  See link ----> Mid-Atlantic Ridge

Now believing the Bible, then the craters on the moon and all those asteroids impact on earth happened at the time of the global flood as breaking up the fountains of the great deep.  Such impact would cause a flood of water to gush out of those vents and the impact on the moon can be the cause of what started it to move slowly away from the earth as measured by science for why that mist that covered the earth would condense into clouds and rain for the first time.

Now picture that global calamity of all those impacts hitting the earth at the time of the flood, causing earthquakes and super volcanos as well as volcanos.  Not to mention tsunamis from that sea where the water was originally all in one place.

You got all that debris and ashes in the air and the rain bringing it down to the earth and the deluge of the flood, that you are going to have a settling as described in the video.

[ChristB4us]

17 hours ago, Daniel Marsh said:

https://ncse.ngo/impossible-voyage-noahs-ark

The Impossible Voyage of Noah's Ark.
Moore, Robert A.
Creation/Evolution, v4 n1 Win 1983

Simple Problem 8 people caring for animals within 16 hours.

Allowing 2 hours for personal needs gives them 14 hours. 

840 mintues.   Allowing 10 Mintues per animal mean 84 animals times 8

Thus 672 animals on the ark.  Divide by 2 = 336 pairs of animals.   YEC claims there were 6,744 animals

https://arkencounter.com/animals/how-they-fit/

https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/ken-ham/2022/09/08/how-many-animals-were-noahs-ark/

 

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One of the things I have noticed is what the cold does to living things as some animals & reptiles do hibernate.  Do Lizards Hibernate?  

Young dinosaurs aside, if we look at the variety of dogs, we would only need one kind of dog from which all other breeds may have come from.  Thing is, what is considered clean where they can be taken by sevens from what is considered unclean where they are taken by twos?  Where does the dog fall under?  Not sure.

Genesis 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. 3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

I noticed also on rainy days how people as well as animals are prone to just rest as if too tired to do anything else.

I suspect that at the time of the global flood, the chaos that was once the greenhouse type world as it was undergoing weather changes dramatically switching from hot to cold was how those ice layers were being formed with the "rings" in them as layers upon layers had to be developed over days, if not hours.  For the duration & after the flood waters receded, is how that Ice Age "shelf" was created, the weather would gradually deposit layers of debris in the air still as that Ice Shelf was being formed.

So I would apply with all that debris in the atmosphere for how science say the Ice Age came, it would be cold for the people and the animals on the ark.  Cuddling with their mates is the best way to stay warm.  Would they be eating less while hibernating?

I do not know but if science put their brains to the task, they may find those answers in plain sight.

The thing is, science is basing all of their dating methods on the faulty assumption that there has been no global calamity for the last 55,000 years.  is it any wonder why they are getting errant dating results like a living mollusks carbon dated as 2,300 years old dead?  So when science stops looking at everything through the lens of the evolution theory and start using their brains to figure out the truth in what we see in what the Bible says, they may just see God's words coming true after all.

When Jesus validated the global flood Luke 17:26-37  and Peter did also in 2 Peter 3:3-14 then science is a fool to ignore the obvious.

So rather than looking for excuses not to believe, let us look to Jesus to help us see & find the truth in our world that science may be looking right at it but missing the obvious.

Like fossilized land animal bones found with fossilized whale bones and marine fossils on the Andes Mountaintops, but rather than see the evidence of the global Biblical flood, they looked at it with the evolution theory spectacles in trying to explain away the marine fossil by saying the mountains rose suddenly from the sea while ignoring how the fossilized land animals bones were found buried with them in that same sedimentary layer forming that one smooth gradient.

WHALE FOSSILS HIGH IN ANDES SHOW HOW MOUNTAINS ROSE FROM SEA

[ChristB4us]

4 hours ago, teddyv said:

Oh, it's Calvin Smith demonstrating his ignorance.

Due to what?  How was he demonstrating his ignorance?

 

[ChristB4us]

13 hours ago, BeyondET said:

Then there's the world of insects, a massive bunch of different kinds of critters.

Since God commanded the need for the ark, and leading all those animals and birds on the ark, He would not overlook the insects.  Look at the marine life.  How could they survive? Not everything has to be on the ark.

Science should be trying to figure these things out rather than looking for some shortcuts to not believe the Bible when Jesus & Peter validated the Biblical global flood as a warning to believers to be ready or else be left behind when that fiery calamity comes on the earth.

[ChristB4us]

4 hours ago, FJK said:

Some things lie outside the realm of human understanding, and trying too explain them in a manner that makes any kind of sense within that realm can lead to a great deal of confusion if taken as an absolute.

Try explaining a rain cloud and all of its functions to an earthworm, how would you have to explain it?  (an illustrative example for hypothetical consideration only, not something literal).

Being such a global calamity as the Biblical flood was, we should just believe Jesus at His word Luke 17:26-37 & Peter's believing this also per 2 Peter 3:3-14and be thankful when we see the truth in reality that the Biblical global flood had happened.  Marine fossils found all over the world and mountaintops cannot be explained away with the land rose suddenly from the sea "answer".

[ChristB4us]

2 hours ago, teddyv said:

No scientific theory is proven. There are some mathematical constructs for the Bib Bang theory, which I won't pretend to understand. Only that they do exist.

The Bible is fantastic for revealing God's role in human history and the means of salvation and serving him. It is not a text book on the "how it happened". He has given us the means to discover our place in the universe.

This is an assumption of history that is framed within Modernity and rationality from the last couple of hundred years; not what the initial audience would have heard or taken away.

No scientific theory is proven?  What do you consider the Law of Biogenesis is ?  Or the First law of Thermodynamics?  How about the 2nd law of Thermodynamics?  Those laws of science disproves spontaneous generation theory but also the phenomenon of macroevolution which is the core of what the evolution theory is all about.

[LiveWire]

2 hours ago, teddyv said:

No scientific theory is proven. 

Agreed!  Theories exist until proven incorrect or improved.

2 hours ago, teddyv said:

The Bible is fantastic for revealing God's role in human history and the means of salvation and serving him. It is not a text book on the "how it happened". He has given us the means to discover our place in the universe.

If we go by the first Command, Let there be Light, Individual Creations amongst the entire Creation happened by the Spoken Word of God.   Then a sublet of that Original Command, God, physically took something (dirt/earth/soil) already Created and formed Human.

2 hours ago, teddyv said:

This is an assumption of history that is framed within Modernity and rationality from the last couple of hundred years; not what the initial audience would have heard or taken away.

It matches perfectly with the Koine Greek broken down syllable frame by frame.  So, it's not a misprint.   It's a matter, I suppose, whose validity of Scripture to accept.

 

 

On a side note here, look at Mount St. Helen's.  A Single Volcanic eruption created the same appearance of sedimentary lines that Science has determined is billions of years old in other examples.   The Flood, is Biblically said, to have erupted from the inside core cavity of Earth.   Literal canon balls of waves forced spewing up through the crust, just amassing major damage worldwide.   One could expect since it is possible what Mount St. Helens did to that general area in a few days, the worldwide Flood of Noah, would easily do thousands of times greater destruction in 40 days/nights of continual beat down.   God wanted the people on Earth Dead enough, He wiped out the original Structure of the earths surface from Creation.   I definitely see how Science can be fooled, because they believe the Big Bang Theory,which has yet to be proven.