Let's discuss Revelation 17

[douggg]

32 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

They die at the end of the 2nd Woe, you can not admit this and keep the erroneous TIMELINE. But, it doesn't matter, God's timeline is God's timeline. 

That is why they Celebrate? Did that never hit you? 

No, the two witnesses don't initiate the second woe.    

Revelation 11:16 indicates the type of plagues that they initiate.      The woes are not initiated by the two witnesses, but by the three last trumpet angels.

Revelation 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

The world is not going to be celebrating the death of the two witnesses - at the same time as a third of mankind is being killed.   

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, douggg said:

No, the two witnesses don't initiate the second woe.    

Revelation 11:16 indicates the type of plagues that they initiate.      The woes are not initiated by the two witnesses, but by the three last trumpet angels.

Revelation 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

The world is not going to be celebrating the death of the two witnesses - at the same time as a third of mankind is being killed.   

Of course the two witnesses lay dead as the world celebrates their death's 

The "Same Hour" they are raised to heaven the great earthquake takes place in the second woe, and the 3rd woe comes quickly in the 7th Angel/Trump in the Lord's return (The End)

[douggg]

24 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Of course the two witnesses lay dead as the world celebrates their death's 

The "Same Hour" they are raised to heaven the great earthquake takes place in the second woe, and the 3rd woe comes quickly in the 7th Angel/Trump in the Lord's return (The End)

I don't read about an earthquake in the second woe in Revelation 9:14-21. The earthquake in Revelation 11, btw, is in Jerusalem.   A tenth of the city will fall, and 7,000 people die in it (apparently from the collapsing buildings).

You are not understanding what the mighty angel was meaning - regarding the second woe is past the third woe comes quickly.

He was meaning that John had been shown what the second woe would be (back in Revelation 9), and that John would soon be shown what the third woe would be (in Revelation 12).

 

 

Edited July 7, 2023 by douggg

[truth7t7]

17 minutes ago, douggg said:

I don't read about an earthquake in the second woe in Revelation 9:14-21. The earthquake in Revelation 11, btw, is in Jerusalem.   A tenth of the city will fall, and 7,000 people die in it (apparently from the collapsing buildings).

You are not understanding what the mighty angel was meaning - regarding the second woe is past the third woe comes quickly.

He was meaning that John had been shown what the second woe would be (back in Revelation 9), and that John would soon be shown what the third woe would be (in Revelation 12).

 

 

"I Disagree with your interpretation", Revelation chaper 11 is chronological in sequential order of events

The witnesses are raised to heaven "The Same Hour" there is the big earthquake in the 2nd woe being complete, the 3rd woe comes quickly in the 7th Angel/Trump sounding (The End)

Revelation  11:11-15KJV 

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[Revelation Man]

58 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Of course the two witnesses lay dead as the world celebrates their death's 

The "Same Hour" they are raised to heaven the great earthquake takes place in the second woe, and the 3rd woe comes quickly in the 7th Angel/Trump in the Lord's return (The End)

That destroys all his life long work on those charts, SMILE, I had to douggg. 

[douggg]

32 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

There are two distinctive things that are to happen with the seventh angel.

1. In the days of when he sounds, the mystery of God will be competed (which is the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of His Christ, our Lord).  

2. he signals the third woe.

The third woe to the inhabiters of the earth and sea is, without question, Satan cast down to earth having great wrath, knowing that his time short, in Revelation 12:12.    Which is the time/times/half time of Revelation 12:14.

So that means the third woe spans basically the second half of the seven years.  

And since the seventh angel does not sound (in Revelation 11:15) until after the two witnesses are gone from this earth (in Revelation 11:12).....

The two witnesses' 1260 days is the first half of the seven years.

 

 

Edited July 7, 2023 by douggg

[douggg]

7 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

That destroys all his life long work on those charts, SMILE, I had to douggg. 

It has been a blessing from God.   And I am thankful for how He has used me.   On my own, I am nobody.

Edited July 7, 2023 by douggg

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, douggg said:

So that means the third woe spans basically the second half of the seven years.  

And since the seventh angel does not sound (in Revelation 11:15) until after the two witnesses are gone from this earth (in Revelation 11:12).....

 

 

You see the two witnesses raised to heaven and "The Same Hour" the great earthquake in the 2nd woe being past, and the 3rd woe coming quickly isn't your claim of 3.5 years, that's utterly laughable even in a suggestive thought, way out of the ball park, going, going, gone!

Revelation  11:11-15KJV 

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Edited July 7, 2023 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, douggg said:

It has been a blessing from God.   And I am thankful for how He has used me.   On my own, I am nobody.

Not in claims that the 3rd woe coming quickly Equals 3.5 years, good try no cigar

Time to get the Ole computer fired up, and back to the chart drawing board in (Revision)

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Edited July 7, 2023 by truth7t7

[Diaste]

23 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Scripture shows that the Jews do not worship God at the time of the end but Insted worship Moloch which means their king.(the beast).

Well, that's true. Everyone but the elect will worship the beast at some point. 

23 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

It would be terribly wrong to just assume the Jews make sacrifices to God when they don't even worship him.I would think since scripture says they worship the beast,that they would be making sacrifices to him.

They are practicing the rituals now.

23 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

But I could see them outlawing Christ in the land of Israel because some of them have already tried to pass such a law. I think it would be wise to just wait a few more years when to he US gives Israel a host and see what is abolished at that time.

 

23 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

When the king of the north gives Israel his armed forces,it could be something simple being abolished like the conscription.The offering of Israel's children to Moloch(their king).

I'm taking the wait and see path on this one.

I was just pointing out that the daily sacrifice isn't actually a daily sacrifice or an evening sacrifice, but a perpetual sacrifice consisting of the same ritual twice a day.