Let's discuss Revelation 17

[Revelation Man]

27 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

The 70th week will only start at the time of the Rapture. The Time of the Gentiles refers to the Churches SERVICE unto God. The Kingdom Age is a Jewish entity. It will all become very clear, very soon. 

[Revelation Man]

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

No, it's evening and mornings in both.

It's also said the vision is for a time in the future in v 26, many yowm in the future.

It's the same wording used in Genesis 1. An evening and a morning are one yowm, a full day. Two parts that equal one. 

No, the KJV uses days.....where t should have used.....Evening and Mornings. The problem here is again you conflate what is being counted. God is clearly counting "SACRIFICES TAKEN AWAY" not days. Even in Genesis God is not counting days, but time periods the first YOWM lasted 9.2 billion years. 

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

Yes. That doesn't mean we divide by two in Ch.8. 

19 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Of course it does, God is counting the NUMBER of Sacrifices being taken away. God gives us riddles we can solve logically but the world can not see, and He gives us some that are almost unsolvable until we get to the very end of times and they solve themselves or He gives understanding by revelation, like the 1335, 1290 and 1260. We have an advantage, we can look back through time and add everything up. Jesus told his disciples this was why he spoke unto them in parables.

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

Exactly ZERO games. No game would be completed, just a bunch of partial games hanging around in the aether. Same with the Tamid, it's one DAILY when both offerings have taken place.

19 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

No, 1150 games would be taken away because each half is taken away in succession. The Anti-Christ is not going to allow a Sacrifice once a day. You were defeated on the point so you had to deflect with a cutesy answer. COME ON MAN.

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

Maybe I should have said, "You ignore what is said and plunge forward with your own agenda."

No, it is not.

Yes, you can have more than one element in a daily anything. But, like a morning and evening paper, it's two parts of a whole. 

No, its a morning paper and an evening paper, if you take away 2300 daily papers that a man gets every day, twice a day, on his door steps he will have to wait 1150 days before he gets another Newspaper right? 

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

I'm not going to speculate on what God thought, could have done, should have done, or why He did it the way he did. That kind of gap filling and speculating on motive and intent is dangerous territory. I don't have the bold arrogance required to determine why God did what He did, nor speculate on what He should have done.

19 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

It is 2300 Sacrifices, which equals 1150 days, he only gets the False Prophet to TAKEAWAY the Sacrifices at the 1290 which is 1290 days before Jesus shows up (2nd Coming) to END ALL OF THESE WONDERS, so how can it be 2300 days? Not understanding the 1290 and its timing  will leave one with a blind spot, of course.

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

Not one word in all of that about any sacrifice. It's boqer and ereb, the same terms in Gen 1 used for a whole day. It's not Tamid. But, by all means, continue. 

19 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Its a TWICE DAILY Sacrifice called the Evening and Morning, just like when Gabriel showed up at the Evening Oblation.

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

Scripture doesn't say the sanctuary is defiled for any specific length of time. It's 2300, full 24 hour days until it's restored; you're adding in the defilement unjustifiably. In fact, it's not a prophecy of the Temple, the Tamid, or 2300 days alone; it's also the rebellion, the trampling, the rise of the little horn and the magnification of the little horn to the host of heaven. 

What's being said is, "When does it end?" Gabriel, probably Gabriel, says, "then the sanctuary will be properly restored".

The focus here is one of the restoration, it's never said how long any specific condition will last, the entire prophecy will endure 2300 24 hour days. Anything else is adding.

It is restored after 1150 days, the 1290 event proves this can only cover half of the 70th week plus 30 days, how therefore can this cover 2300 days? 

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

See, this is what ruins credibility, imo. You already know, you don't hear. 

19 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

No, I hear, I just don't receive what men say over what God says. Now, on things God has not revealed unto me I am game to debate, that is how we sharpen our swords, but when the Holy Spirit reveals truth, you never question that from that point on. Much of my understandings come from debating these points, giving me an enquiring mind then I take it to God in prayer, I never leave until I get an answer, God wants to answer in these end times. We simply rely on old understandings of suppositions of men, from yesteryear, before God was ready to reveal His end time truths. Remember my ANSWERED PRAYER I have spoken about on here? Were I asked the Lord why the Church was so confused and He was like "Ron, you guys already know it all". Thus I knew I had to quit leaning on old understandings and simply ask God to show me, and He always dose, if I persist like Jacob did (he wrestled with God). I seek not cred from men.

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

In the mind of the overtly religious practicing Jewish population that will be the case. I am saying nothing more than that. Of course it's a false Temple, worthless religious zealotry, meaningless liturgy and blasphemous practices. So? Is that supposed to mean it can't happen?

 

Oh, that will happen, never stated it will not, that is WHY they of course rebuild the temple, BUT........that is not what God, Jesus, Daniel and Gabriel are talking about that us being TAKEN AWAY, they ae speaking of Jesus Worship being forbidden for 2300 Evening and Morning Oblations in the temple, or 1150 days. 

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

Take off the blinders and look at the modern, white, western church. A hideous bunch of false prophets and greedy people. You don't think that's blasphemous to our Father? The Jews kept up the Temple liturgy for 40 years after Jesus ascended, that was all mocking blasphemy. Ever listen to an atheist? Mocking and blasphemy happen all the time. The Jews aren't somehow special or immune, nor does God put up a roadblock against it. 

You miss the point, God/Jesus/Gabriel are not speaking of the same thing you think they are speaking about !! That is the whole point. You (and most others tbh) are conflating what you think it means with what it actually means. The Jews repent JUST BEFORE the DOTL falls at the 1335-1290, then at the 1290 a Jewish High Priest like unto Jason under Antiochus, FORBIDS any Jew from coming into "his temple" and worshiping God, at the 1290 event, which is 1290 days away from the 2nd coming. He will also place up an IMAGE of the A.C. up in the temple, see Rev. 13, he is the one that places the image of the Anti-Christ in the temple, the A.C. only comes to power 30 days after this at the 1260 middle of the week event. So, people take things that only the False Prophet can fulfill an apply it to the A.C. Then they assume the "Sacrifice being taken away" is a DEFILED Meat Sacrifice, even preachers, but it CAN NOT BE, the temples has to be cleansed before it can be DEFILED by any act !! So, what cleanses it?

Well, 3-5 million Jews repenting at the 1335, and therefore many will go to the temple and worship Jesus in that temple, which CLEANSES it in God's eyes, Israel ACCEPT THEIR MESSIAH, of course that cleanses the temple of God again. Thus at the 1290, the False Prophet will DEFILE that which ha been CLEANSED by placing an Image of the A.C. (E.U. President) up in the temple of God, this is a SIGN for the Jews who repent (led by the Two-witnesses at the 1335) to flee Judea, since they flee Judea, we know they have to have accepted Jesus' teachings at that point in time. 

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

What exactly are they worshipping? Where is the message coming from? There are certainly members pure of heart and spirit in the church buildings, but if the Jewish Temple is abhorrent, then every temple built for God is the same. 

 

Not really, God looks at our hearts. God the Father lived in the temple, God the Father can not live in men's hearts, we would die or be consumed by His glory like the 70 that was killed when the Ark of he Covenant was looked into. We the church gather together under orders from Jesus.

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

It seems hypocritical to say one building built for God is wrong, but all the others are good. No building built to God has any meaning beyond the material used to build it. God does not dwell in brick and stone and steel and sheetrock; and one certainly does not have to go to such a false edifice to worship in spirit and truth. 

 

Our job is to bring people to Christ Jesus, most people will not show up in a field that is hot or has flies etc. etc. We can reach people in these places, but we also need a place to congregate at. Thee can be False Teachers in  building, or in a field, or in a place like Waco, Texas via David Korseh, or in far away places like Jim Jones. Its not the building, that is just a tool.

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

I never said they don't repent. This is what I mean about ignoring what I say and plunging forward. I didn't bring it up. That's your talking point. It's just used to distract from the point I did make, which was to counter the idea the Temple can't be built and sacrifices won't take place. I said nothing about if, or when, the Jews repent. That's just you bringing up irrelevant talking points to distract.

 

Yes, but you still get THE TIMING WRONG, the temple can not be defiled for 2300 days, that is the whole point, its only cleansed 1335 days before the 2nd coming, and defiled 1290 days before the 2nd coming. The timing tells rule the order of things to come. There can be no 2300 day period, its just not possible with the timelines God gives unto us. 

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

No, I do not refuse the scriptures. You are bringing up a point I did not make then criticizing it. 

20 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Again, I am pointing out how the TIMLINES will never fit via what you put forth brother. 

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

I empathize. You have my respect.

20 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

Thanks but I have a lot of help. She was basically dead last July and I bound those spirits of infirmity and cried out to God who gave me a HAPPY BURDEN, she's 89, her sister just died in Dec. she was near 107 (SMILE) so my mom was the baby. I see it as a blessing, Amen. By dog of 15 years died in March of cancer, broke me up pretty good but 15 years is a long life.

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

I'm not going to assemble with false prophets and feel good preachers whose main motivation is to fill pews to pay themselves. 

20 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

We have to be able to see past these hucksters. 

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

Which means it's most likely problematic. You can't be wrong. Illogical and incorrect.

20 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I am speaking about my calling, I was called unto Prophecy almost 40 years ago, I went over 30 years without putting these things forth, so I do not speak on things as if I know them when I don't. God has given me all end time scenarios, but EVERYTHING CENTERS, around the timelines, no one can understand these timelines until they understand the 1335, 1290 and 1260 events. 

So God blessed me with seeing these things are a set number of days until ALL THESE WONDERS END. And He blessed me with knowledge that the Two-witnesses are the 1335 Blessing, the 1290 is the False Prophet and the 1260 is the Anti-Christ, remember therefore these are CLOAKED TIMELIES !! So, of course t is much easier for me to understand tings because I have TIMELINES I can use to juxtapose everything against. Its like you or I having no date handy and no calendar and we just came out of a coma that we had been in for 10 years, until we get the calendar we have no reference as to how long we have been in the coma, what day and month it is etc. etc. So, I clearly have an advantage, I get that, but I offer these understanding us and people just loo right past these FACTOIDS. 

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

No, if it doesn't fit your conclusions, I reject it. 

Your last couple statements have shown me the light. Feel free to respond. I'm done here. 

Blessings. 

See, when I challenge you not taking all the facts in you kind of get defensive. No reason to really, I am just saying think, God said he was not going to reveal these things until the VERY END, yet we rely on understandings from 30, 50 to 70 or more years ago. 

When something is contradictory, just ask God to show you what it means an WAIT on the answer.

God Bless. You are like me, I have to take a break on these longer replies or I get irritated sometimes. Didn't here, and I have wanted to get up and make me a coffee for the last 40 minutes, lol. Got some good Lavazza Super Creama ready to go into my Espresso Machine. 

[douggg]

4 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

Justin, you at least put up a timeline chart showing your view.

Here is my view...

 

 

[truth7t7]

On 7/7/2023 at 10:14 AM, douggg said:

What woe number is this?

Revelation 12:

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

 

Its number zero, its the very same "Woe" seen Jude 1:11 below, a basic word of warning and has no association with the "Three Woe's"

Jude 1:11KJV

11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

Edited July 9, 2023 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

On 7/7/2023 at 10:42 AM, douggg said:

The third woe is Satan cast down to earth.   The span of the third woe, the time/times/half time, contains the first woe and the second woe.

The 3rd woe is the second coming of Jesus Christ in fire and finl judgement (The End)

At this second coming God pours out his wrath on the earth (The End)

[douggg]

2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Its number zero, its the very same "Woe" seen Jude 1:11 below, a basic word of warning and has no association with the "Three Woe's"

Jude 1:11KJV

11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

You are evading.   It is not just the word woe - but the three woes are woe to the inhabiters of the earth.    So again, what woe to the inhabiters of the earth, is Revelation 12:12 ?

Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

 

 

[douggg]

2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

The 3rd woe is the second coming of Jesus Christ in fire and finl judgement (The End)

At this second coming God pours out his wrath on the earth (The End)

No, the second coming of Jesus is not called a woe to the inhabiters of the earth.

[Diaste]

On 6/17/2023 at 11:07 PM, Marilyn C said:

So, the `inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.` (Rev. 17: 2)

What philosophy, (if you agree) is making the world `drunk?` 

I just want to say, the angel is a literary Grandmaster. No author ever turned a more vivid metaphor.

Maybe it's the same as what the woman is drunk with?  

So there's this too:

"And there was found in her the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who had been slain on the earth." Rev 18

Is this a context thing, "and of all who had been slain on the earth."?

All who had been slain on earth from what point? From Abel the end? Just within the end of the age? 

I've thought some about this and the conclusion is this Babylon isn't an earthly city. It's on earth, but it's not from earth. It's Satan's city, a supernatural hub of commerce, a trading point from an adjacent dimension, buying and selling everything, even people and souls; and it's been around for a long, long time. 

We just haven't been able to perceive it. 

So then, the intoxication comes from the power of wealth and all the accompanying immorality that always seems to be a part of wealthy class. Pay people enough and they will do, buy, sell, steal, anything; like addicts, money and power junkies.

Tony Montana told us how it works; get the money, money leads to power, power leads to sexual immorality. 

"“By the abundance of your trading You became filled with violence within, And you sinned;" Eze 26

Then the covering cherub was cast out of the mountain of God. So this trading was going on in the mountain of God which led Lucifer to violence and sin.

That is what is going to manifest on earth, in a single city that is ancient of days.

I think it's here now, it's just spread out into all the world. A consolidation is coming under a single banner; and they are all getting drunk on power and wealth, committing every immoral act the spiritual realm offers. 

Imo.

 

 

 

[truth7t7]

5 hours ago, douggg said:

You are evading.   It is not just the word woe - but the three woes are woe to the inhabiters of the earth.    So again, what woe to the inhabiters of the earth, is Revelation 12:12 ?

Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

 

 

Your now adding to your claim, we were talking about Revelation 12:12 "Alone" and now you add Revelation 8:13 to the conversation "Smiles"!

As you were shown, Revelation 12:12 "Woe" is nothing more than a generic word of warning and has nothing to do with the 3 last "Woes" of the trumpets

Revelation 8:13 is the 3 last "Woes" of the Trumpets, and the 3rd "Woe" is the 7th Angel/Trump (The End), this 7th Angel/Trump is seen throughout scripture that represents the second coming of Jesus Christ (The End)

Edited July 9, 2023 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

7 hours ago, douggg said:

No, the second coming of Jesus is not called a woe to the inhabiters of the earth.

The 7th Angel/Trump is the 3rd "Woe" at this time the second coming takes place (The End)

The Holy Bible on the subject of the 7th Angel/Trump is described throughout the Bible, and it takes place at the Lord's future coming (The End)

Matthew 24:30-31KJV

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

1 Thessalonians 4:16KJV

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: