Smith Wigglesworth.........

[Mikeyjay]

I know that most of his style was as some would say "a bit controversial" but hey it worked...He was an awesome man of faith and brought many lost people to the Lord through his faith in God's healing power...a man of God !!!

[HisWordIsSufficient]

Mrs. Wigglesworth, she was a godly, born-again woman, who would not have had a demon of any kind.

I don't think they are saying she had a demon. Death had taken her and he prayed and commanded it to let her go.

Yes, but you see the basic problem with this is that it is God who has the power over life and death, not death itself. No one has the power to command death to release any one unless God wills it. To say that he (Wigglesworth) commanded death to let her go is simply not right. Even Jesus, when He raised Lazarus, when He raised the son of the widow of Nain, when He raised the daughter of Jairus, did not rebuke any 'spirit of death'. Furthermore, (at the risk of being redundant) "death as the final enemy to be overcome" speaks of our hope in the resurrection, where our physical bodies will be finally and permanently raised in glory and reunited with our spirits to dwell eternally with the Lord Jesus.

And this is all I will say about it.

Well, if he wasnt commanding it in Jesus name, it wouldnt have worked anyway...

ACTS 19:13 - Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists took it upon themselves to call the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying,

Edited October 28, 2005 by Bluebird1

[larryt]

The dumb and deaf spirit was cast out of a living person...one I doubt seriously was a believer prior to his deliverance... seeing as how the HS would not have shared His temple. Mrs. Wigglesworth was dead, and from what I have heard and read about Mrs. Wigglesworth, she was a godly, born-again woman, who would not have had a demon of any kind. The idea that a 'demon of death' could be expelled from a dead believer is not only not biblical... it is ludicrous. I would still like to see actual Scripture to support the idea of a 'spirit of death'.

I do think you think you know everything about deliverance and spiritual warfare. You reveal much about how much you do not understand. Take the temple for instance. What part of the temple does God occupy? What is the corresponding part of the temple in you. Jesus cast the money changers out of the temple. How did they get in the temple if only God and Holy people could get in?

Jesus never did anything for anyone that DID NOT believe in Him. He ONLY helped those that came to Him in faith, knowing that He could help them. They that doubted received NOTHING.

When the Holy Spirit come in it is then that He begins the clean up process. Yes we are "cleansed" when we believe but that is our standing with God. Our salvation/deliverance needs to be "worked out" with fear and trembling.

LT

[yomotalking]

Mountains out of molehills.....yup/....that happens!

lol

I've heard only good stuff about him.

[Guest AllHeart]

oooops....looks like my quote started something in here! All I know is DEATH (or the spirit of death, the grim reaper, whatever you want to call him) could not hold Jesus! He had no claim on His spirit. And that same demon has no claim over any person who has died if Jesus gives us the go ahead to raise someone from the dead. Ive been to a chapel of rest myself to raise someone from the dead, it was the only reason I went there! but when I went to pray for them the Lord said "what are you doing? this isnt actually my will for this person!" I learnt a wondeful scripture that day Proverbs 19 v 2 " it is no good to have zeal without knowledge nor be hasty and miss the way". In my defense, I was only a new christian at the time. Now I wait for Gods instruction first. Jesus said that "you will do as I did" if you are a true believer. Raising the dead, casting out demons was normal for Jesus and it should be normal for christians. I know I have no issue with it, I hang out with an apostle and a evangelist and they too have no problem with it!

You can "talk" scripture with some people till the cows come home.....Im more of a "get up and go" person myself. I love my walk with God, I love the excitment of every day never knowing where the spirit will lead next. Its just AWESOME! I just want to keep folowing in my beautiful masters feeting setting captives free. My hope is that ALL christians would want that too.

[MorningGlory]

oooops....looks like my quote started something in here! All I know is DEATH (or the spirit of death, the grim reaper, whatever you want to call him) could not hold Jesus! He had no claim on His spirit. And that same demon has no claim over any person who has died if Jesus gives us the go ahead to raise someone from the dead. Ive been to a chapel of rest myself to raise someone from the dead, it was the only reason I went there! but when I went to pray for them the Lord said "what are you doing? this isnt actually my will for this person!" I learnt a wondeful scripture that day Proverbs 19 v 2 " it is no good to have zeal without knowledge nor be hasty and miss the way". In my defense, I was only a new christian at the time. Now I wait for Gods instruction first. Jesus said that "you will do as I did" if you are a true believer. Raising the dead, casting out demons was normal for Jesus and it should be normal for christians. I know I have no issue with it, I hang out with an apostle and a evangelist and they too have no problem with it!

You can "talk" scripture with some people till the cows come home.....Im more of a "get up and go" person myself. I love my walk with God, I love the excitment of every day never knowing where the spirit will lead next. Its just AWESOME! I just want to keep folowing in my beautiful masters feeting setting captives free. My hope is that ALL christians would want that too.

I'm confused. The post before yours is from October of '05. I don't believe the poster is even active so.......?

[Guest AllHeart]

oooops....looks like my quote started something in here! All I know is DEATH (or the spirit of death, the grim reaper, whatever you want to call him) could not hold Jesus! He had no claim on His spirit. And that same demon has no claim over any person who has died if Jesus gives us the go ahead to raise someone from the dead. Ive been to a chapel of rest myself to raise someone from the dead, it was the only reason I went there! but when I went to pray for them the Lord said "what are you doing? this isnt actually my will for this person!" I learnt a wondeful scripture that day Proverbs 19 v 2 " it is no good to have zeal without knowledge nor be hasty and miss the way". In my defense, I was only a new christian at the time. Now I wait for Gods instruction first. Jesus said that "you will do as I did" if you are a true believer. Raising the dead, casting out demons was normal for Jesus and it should be normal for christians. I know I have no issue with it, I hang out with an apostle and a evangelist and they too have no problem with it!

You can "talk" scripture with some people till the cows come home.....Im more of a "get up and go" person myself. I love my walk with God, I love the excitment of every day never knowing where the spirit will lead next. Its just AWESOME! I just want to keep folowing in my beautiful masters feeting setting captives free. My hope is that ALL christians would want that too.

I'm confused. The post before yours is from October of '05. I don't believe the poster is even active so.......?

I know it says I posted it 2005 but I didnt! I did it a few weeks back!