Jacob's Trouble

[AdHoc]

13 hours ago, JohnD said:

This was so well written with two major exceptions:

1. The Gentile King (as you describe him) will be a Jew (Zechariah 8:23) and the 10 world rulers will follow him believing he is the way to the LORD (Revelation 17:12). The Jews will be convinced he is the Messiah (John 5:43) which is how he enters the Holy of Holies (2 Thessalonians 2:3-11).

2. The time of Jacob's trouble IS he Great Tribulation (Daniel 9:27) and is for the purpose of Armageddon driving the Jews to the edge of annihilation when at last they will cry out for Yeshua to save them (Psalm 118:25-26) which Yeshua predicted in part (Matthew 23:37-39). 

Hosha nah (save now / hosanna) Yehoshua HaMoshiakh! Baruch habah b'shem YHVH (blessed is he who comes in the name of the LORD).

Thanks for the comments. I respect your point of view, and I can see how you reached it.

[WilliamL]

12 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

"No" Antiochus Epiphanies 167BC played no part in Fulfilling Daniel Chapter 11 as reformed preterist eschatology teaches, and you "Suggest" 

Learn some history.

[Shilohsfoal]

25 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Learn some history.

That's not called history

History would be to say Antiochus killed a pig in the Jews temple.

Saying that antiochus fulfilled Daniels prophecy of the abomination of desolation would be called an incorrect opinion.

[WilliamL]

8 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

That's not called history

History would be to say Antiochus killed a pig in the Jews temple.

Saying that antiochus fulfilled Daniels prophecy of the abomination of desolation would be called an incorrect opinion.

History says that Antiochus "erected a desolating sacrilege upon the altar of burnt offering" of the Temple. Read about that history here:

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/1411-antiochus-epiphanes-and-the-end-times-part-1-the-history/

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, WilliamL said:

History says that Antiochus "erected a desolating sacrilege upon the altar of burnt offering" of the Temple. Read about that history here:

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/1411-antiochus-epiphanes-and-the-end-times-part-1-the-history/

Sorry,that is not history.

History shows God invited Atiochus to Jerusalem and let him go into a stone building,kill a pig and offer it to a statue which didn't hear Atiochus.

You act as though God has no control of anything and has no power.Not even the building that you call his temple.

You honestly believe that Antiochus is more powerful than God?

Mark 3:27

No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.

 

If you seriously believe Antiochus was able to do this than you have great faith in Antiochus.

 

 

 

Edited July 19, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[truth7t7]

16 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

The discussion which takes place after Daniel's prophecy of Daniel 11:1-12:3 is about that prophecy.This verse is about that persecution mentioned in Daniel 11:33-35 which starts after the daily sacrifice is abolished to the time of the end.

 

Daniel 12:7

 

The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.”

 

This same time period is given in other parts of scripture concerning this same persecution.

 

Daniel 8:25

And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

 

Revelation 13

 

⁵ And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

⁶ And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

⁷ And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

 

 

 

 

In the scripture you provided it speaks of He, His, Him, who might that be?

[truth7t7]

4 hours ago, WilliamL said:

History says that Antiochus "erected a desolating sacrilege upon the altar of burnt offering" of the Temple. Read about that history here:

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/1411-antiochus-epiphanes-and-the-end-times-part-1-the-history/

Your links are unavailable 

[Shilohsfoal]

6 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

In the scripture you provided it speaks of He, His, Him, who might that be?

The little horn is the Israeli government. It's called little because the size of its kingdom.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[truth7t7]

7 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

The little horn is the Israeli government. It's called little because the size of its kingdom.

 

I Disagree, Daniel's (Little Horn) will be a future individual human man, with a living body that's killed and destroyed at the second coming, just as scripture below clearly teaches

Could he be the individual human leader of the Israeli government "Yes"

Jesus Is My Lord, Amen

Daniel 11:7KJV

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Edited July 19, 2023 by truth7t7

[Shilohsfoal]

2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

I Disagree, Daniel's (Little Horn) will be a future individual human man, with a living body that's killed and destroyed at the second coming, just as scripture below clearly teaches

Could he be the individual human leader of the Israeli government "Yes"

Jesus Is My Lord, Amen

Daniel 11:7KJV

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

The Israeli government and all it's people will be destroyed at the second coming.

The only Israelis who are not destroyed are those who are marked by Christ with their fathers name in their foreheads.

All the other Israelis who worship their present government and it's kingdom.and recieve its mark will all be destroyed.

After they are destroyed ,those Israelis who are in Christ are resurected and will reign with Christ for 1000 years in the land that was promised to them long ago.

All the other nations who are presently in the promised land will be destroyed also.Only those who believe in Christ and recieve the saviour are saved.

But it is the remnant of Israel who do not worship their present government,its kingdom and do not recieve it's mark and die for their testimony of Christ and for the word of God who shall reign with Christ over the nations.

Edited July 19, 2023 by Shilohsfoal