The end time has different physics?

[dad2]

18 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

That's what I figured.

You read it and paid it no mind.

 

Try answering the question rather than pretending you did.

Edited July 28, 2023 by dad2

[WilliamL]

18 hours ago, dad2 said:

What has that got to do with some worldwide catastrophe in the Exodus?

Since this question has been answered in my last two posts, I can only presume that you have already made up your mind, and don't want to hear anything to the contrary.

So many folks on this forum love to shotgun questions post after post, as though I and others are being cross-examined on the witness stand; instead of trying to hold a discussion as equals. I won't play that game.

You have provided no evidence at all that God is going to change the physics of the material world. Show us what you have, please, other than vague speculations.

[dad2]

55 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Since this question has been answered in my last two posts, I can only presume that you have already made up your mind, and don't want to hear anything to the contrary.

So many folks on this forum love to shotgun questions post after post, as though I and others are being cross-examined on the witness stand; instead of trying to hold a discussion as equals. I won't play that game.

You have provided no evidence at all that God is going to change the physics of the material world. Show us what you have, please, other than vague speculations.

Nothing was answered and there was no worldwide tragedy in the days God delivered some folks from Egypt that I have ever heard about. You can select a few passages from your ink to post if you claim it supports another conclusion. To be clear it is only the fact that you posted nothing at all to support your claims or worldwide catastrophes and not that anyone is ignoring something you posted. As mentioned, if you claim it is buried in your link, then did it out. Links are for support, in case we want to check the source etc...NOT for reading assignments.

[WilliamL]

1 hour ago, dad2 said:

Nothing was answered and there was no worldwide tragedy in the days God delivered some folks from Egypt that I have ever heard about.

"Around 1500 B.C., a comet of unfathomable size approached the Earth as it revolved around the sun. It assaulted the Earth with red dust, meteorites and liquid hydrocarbons. Venturing closer, the comet slowed down the rotation of the Earth, causing prolonged periods of day and night, a phenomenon mentioned in both the Book Of Exodus and the Book Of Joshua. The comet's influence caused earthquakes and hurricanes to form. It pulled the Earth's tides miles into the sky and blasted our planet with discharges of celestial lightning. At its most extreme, the comet caused the Earth to tilt on its axis so that the sun rose in the West. Entirely new mountain ranges were formed and islands (including possibly Atlantis) sank into the sea. The entire human race was affected and countless people died. Accounts of this interstellar chaos appear in the historical and religious traditions of peoples all over the world: the Hebrews, the Greeks, the Mayans, the Chinese and Japanese, the Finns and Slavs, the tribes of Africa and the Maoris of New Zealand."

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08BJGN61S?plink=XVdRxnw93msQNWhw&ref_=adblp13nvvxx_0_0_im

[dad2]

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"Around 1500 B.C., a comet of unfathomable size approached the Earth as it revolved around the sun.

Two problems there. One is that the size is vague. The other is the date. 'around' 1500 BC. The exodus date if I recall is a matter of some debate and opinion. Then you claim a comet probably 'around' that time. Not very impressive.

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It assaulted the Earth with red dust, meteorites and liquid hydrocarbons.

Assaulted the earth?? What part? What is the proof? Specifically.

 

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Venturing closer, the comet slowed down the rotation of the Earth, causing prolonged periods of day and night, a phenomenon mentioned in both the Book Of Exodus and the Book Of Joshua.

Say what!? Where it the verses that the planet had it's rotation slowed in those books of the bible? You call that support?? That is sensationalism and imagination on a joy ride.

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The comet's influence caused earthquakes and hurricanes to form. It pulled the Earth's tides miles into the sky and blasted our planet with discharges of celestial lightning.

Scientific source? How much of the planet had 'celestial lightning'? (is there another kind of lightning?) Where is the evidence the tides changed suddenly 1500 BC all over the planet?

 

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At its most extreme, the comet caused the Earth to tilt on its axis so that the sun rose in the West.

Hilarious. Proof that the whole world looked west for the sunrise in the days of Greece or Medo Persian empires? Why rattle off unsupported wild claim after unsupported wild claim here?

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Entirely new mountain ranges were formed and islands (including possibly Atlantis) sank into the sea.

What ranges rose suddenly 1500 years before Jesus was born all because of some comet???

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The entire human race was affected and countless people died.

Countless? Ha. Why because you could not begin to count any?

 

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Accounts of this interstellar chaos appear in the historical and religious traditions of peoples all over the world: the Hebrews, the Greeks, the Mayans, the Chinese and Japanese, the Finns and Slavs, the tribes of Africa and the Maoris of New Zealand."

Why do you cite zero proof for even one of the listed places some planetary scale chaos happened?

 

My impression of the link so far is that it is a sleazy ill conceived and cheap promotion for some loser book and author. But we wait for you to step up and support the hooey.

[Shilohsfoal]

5 hours ago, dad2 said:

So who is supposed to flee when they see the thing set up? The wicked?

The wicked flee.

They flee to the mountains to hide in caves as it shows in revelation 6:15-16.

Christ does not tell his students to flee.He tells them to look up and raise their heads.They are not going to be saved by their athletic ability.They will be saved by God.

 

Luke 21

²⁸ And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

This takes place as the abomination of desolation is placed in Jerusalem in revelation 6:12-14.While the wicked in judea are fleeing to hide in caves,The saints in Israel are sealed.

Revelation 7

 

7 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

² And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

³ Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

⁴ And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

 

[dad2]

4 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

The wicked flee.

They flee to the mountains to hide in caves as it shows in revelation 6:15-16.

That won't work, because in the case of the abomination Jesus said "ye" when you see. Not when the wicked sees.

4 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Christ does not tell his students to flee.He tells them to look up and raise their heads.They are not going to be saved by their athletic ability.They will be saved by God.

Matthew 24:15

 

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

 

 

 

[Shilohsfoal]

1 minute ago, dad2 said:

That won't work, because in the case of the abomination Jesus said "ye" when you see. Not when the wicked sees.

Matthew 24:15

 

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

 

 

 

So you believe the occupants of Judea who are wicked won't flee on the day of the Lord but the servants of Jesus will flee because it's says ye ?

Zech 14

⁵ And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

 

Why would the servants of Jesus flee from.anything?You believe they are afraid of something or someone?

[dad2]

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

So you believe the occupants of Judea who are wicked won't flee on the day of the Lord but the servants of Jesus will flee because it's says ye ?

Who was He talking to when warning us to flee? Believers in that future time. Not the unbelievers who do not know Him or His word.

 

 

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Zech 14

⁵ And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

 

The context is when He returns.

 

Zechariah 14:4

 

And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

 

Why would the servants of Jesus flee from.anything?You believe they are afraid of something or someone?

 

His servants are supposed to flee when they see the abomination. He prepares the place for them and supplies etc. Why would He prepare a place for the wicked?

[Shilohsfoal]

5 hours ago, dad2 said:

Who was He talking to when warning us to flee? Believers in that future time. Not the unbelievers who do not know Him or His word.

 

 

 

The context is when He returns.

 

Zechariah 14:4

 

And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

 

His servants are supposed to flee when they see the abomination. He prepares the place for them and supplies etc. Why would He prepare a place for the wicked?

He doesn't say for us to flee.

He said when ye see the abomination of desolation ,then let them who are in Judea flee to the mountains.He doesn't say that you should flee to the mountains.

Those who are in Judea flee to the mountains on the day of the Lord which is 42 months after the saints in Judea are put in prison and killed for testifying of Christ and for the word of God.

Daniel 11:33

Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.

During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.

And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

 

After this tribulation ,on the day of the Lord ,the saints in Judea that endured till the end are saved.They don't need to flee because they are delivered where they are.

Daniel 12:1-2

And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.

 

THese saints don't need to flee .God is going to deliver them.They will be changed when the dead are raised.They become incorruptible.

1 Corinthians 15

⁵¹ Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

⁵² In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

⁵³ For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

 

Why in the world would you believe any saint would need to flee to save their own skin when God delivers them .You don't understand,there is nothing that can hurt them when God makes them immortal.

Edited July 29, 2023 by Shilohsfoal