One Must Be Born Again to Enter the Kingdom

[Walter and Deborah]

Friday 8-4-23 6th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, AV 17 5783, 45th. Summer Day

Paul wrote that Christ is “the firstborn from the dead” (Col. 1:18), and also “the firstborn among many brethren” (Romans 8:29). When connected, these verses show that Jesus is merely the firstborn from the dead, with many others to follow. But when, and into what, will these others be born?
In John 3:3, Christ said to Nicodemus, “Verily, verily [this means truly, truly], I say unto you, Except a man be BORN AGAIN, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” In verse 6, Christ continues, “That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” Simply believe the plain meaning of this verse. One must become spirit to SEE the Kingdom of God.

Paul taught, “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God” (I Cor. 15:50). The next two verses explain that the resurrection will occur at the last trumpet, when “the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
This is when the resurrection of the dead will occur. Do not misunderstand this climactic event, more carefully explained much later. Suffice to say here, people who were once fleshly human beings will be changed into spirit—will be born again—and enter into the Kingdom of God. No physical people can enter this Kingdom.

John 4:24 states, “God is a Spirit.” Under the Father, Christ leads His Kingdom, which is composed of spirit beings. At His Return, Christ, as a member of the God Family, will have many younger “brothers and sisters,” who will have qualified to rule with Him.
Think of it this way: There is a plant kingdom, an animal kingdom, human kingdoms and an angelic kingdom. There is also the Kingdom of God.

Now notice Genesis 1:26: “And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness.” When referring to themselves, the One speaking says, “Us,” “Our” and “Our.” This is proof that there is more than one Being in the Godhead—there are presently two! In this scripture, the Hebrew word for God is Elohim.

This is a uniplural term like group, team, committee or family. All of these represent one entity, comprised of several members or persons.
Thus, we will see that the Bible teaches that there is one God, composed of two Persons—the Father and Christ—with many more persons to be added later. The first great time when God will add more sons to His Family is when Christ’s Kingdom is established throughout the Earth. But entering God’s Kingdom will not be automatic for anyone.

Love, Walter And Debbie

Edited August 5, 2023 by Walter and Deborah
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[AdHoc]

8 hours ago, Walter and Deborah said:

Friday 8-4-23 6th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, AV 17 5783, 45th. Summer Day

Paul wrote that Christ is “the firstborn from the dead” (Col. 1:18), and also “the firstborn among many brethren” (Romans 8:29). When connected, these verses show that Jesus is merely the firstborn from the dead, with many others to follow. But when, and into what, will these others be born?
In John 3:3, Christ said to Nicodemus, “Verily, verily [this means truly, truly], I say unto you, Except a man be BORN AGAIN, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” In verse 6, Christ continues, “That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” Simply believe the plain meaning of this verse. One must become spirit to SEE the Kingdom of God.

Paul taught, “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God” (I Cor. 15:50). The next two verses explain that the resurrection will occur at the last trumpet, when “the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
This is when the resurrection of the dead will occur. Do not misunderstand this climactic event, more carefully explained much later. Suffice to say here, people who were once fleshly human beings will be changed into spirit—will be born again—and enter into the Kingdom of God. No physical people can enter this Kingdom.

John 4:24 states, “God is a Spirit.” Under the Father, Christ leads His Kingdom, which is composed of spirit beings. At His Return, Christ, as a member of the God Family, will have many younger “brothers and sisters,” who will have qualified to rule with Him.
Think of it this way: There is a plant kingdom, an animal kingdom, human kingdoms and an angelic kingdom. There is also the Kingdom of God.

Now notice Genesis 1:26: “And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness.” When referring to themselves, the One speaking says, “Us,” “Our” and “Our.” This is proof that there is more than one Being in the Godhead—there are presently two! In this scripture, the Hebrew word for God is Elohim.

This is a uniplural term like group, team, committee or family. All of these represent one entity, comprised of several members or persons.
Thus, we will see that the Bible teaches that there is one God, composed of two Persons—the Father and Christ—with many more persons to be added later. The first great time when God will add more sons to His Family is when Christ’s Kingdom is established throughout the Earth. But entering God’s Kingdom will not be automatic for anyone.

Love, Walter And Debbie

I often read your postings and because others are pressing I do not join in. But you do often pose interesting, if not provocative themes. This one is very provocative. The reasons;

(i) When God made man he made him tripartite, body, spirit and soul (Gen.2:7, 1st Thess.5:23). And it was to this man that dominion was given in Genesis 1:28
(ii) When our Lord Jesus was resurrected He pointedly showed that He was not a spirit (Lk.24:38-39)
(iii) The Church, which is given the Kingdom, is made of the BODIES of the Believers (1st Cor.6:15)
(iv) In every case of resurrection recorded in the Bible, the resurrected man or woman was revived in their former body.

I will shortly comment on your conclusions.

1. To join Romans 8:29 to Colossians 1:18 is questionable. Romans 8 presents the ultimate solution to sin and the sinful life. Colossians 1 presents the head of the Church in His superlative preeminence. What I would point out is that in Romans 8, just a few verses earlier, resurrection is mentioned ...

... even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. (Rom.8:23)

And this follows verse 21 which gives the reason and sequence of the "redemption of the CREATURE". Our BODIES play a central role in both creation and redemption. Romans 1:20 gives it. To display the things of God.

2. The Rebirth is largely misunderstood. The actual wording in John 3 is "born AGAIN". Because they did not define "the DAY" in which Adam died, it is ASSUMED that the first Sabbath (Adam's first whole day) was 24 hours. And because Adam did not die within that day, an unfounded doctrine was developed that Adam died "spiritually". From this error comes the common use of the word "Regeneration", which actually only appears twice in the Bible and not in conjunction with being born again. Although Nicodemus must bow to the chiding of the Lord, he actually had a better understanding of the words our Lord Jesus used than many DDs from top Bible universities. Nicodemus said, "must I AGAIN climb into my mothers womb". The word "AGAIN", in common English, means to REPEAT something. Our Lord said that a man must undergo AN ADDITIONAL BIRTH.

The ADDITIONAL and NEW BIRTH is a birth of the human spirit by the Spirit of God. John 3:6 makes it a unique and singular event, and John 1:12-13 and 3:16 give why - one is born of God to become His SON and to partake of the DIVINE NATURE. The context is a poison coursing through the inward parts of man that ends in death being swallowed up by God's life. John 3:6 makes sure that you and I understand that the New Birth does not touch, nor affect the flesh.

3. The title is misleading. I know what you mean, and can live with it, but the actual wording of scripture is "one must be born again TO SEE the Kingdom". All the seed of Abraham (via Jacob) are BORN to Abraham and Heirs. But to ENTER the Good Land they must cross Jordan in flood. Moses stands on Mt. Nebo and SEES the Kingdom (about to be) but cannot ENTER. Joshua stands and SEES the Kingdom. Shortly thereafter he passes through Jordan in flood. He is represented by 12 stones. These twelve stones are buried in the water, and 12 other stones are "borne" out of the death waters of Jordan and built together for an everlasting monument. To ENTER the Kingdom of Israel, a man must be BORN of Abraham and be BORN out of water". Colossians 2:10-12 shows what this means.

If your BIRTH is right you are a SON. If you are a SON you automatically become an HEIR. "SON" has to do with your NATURE and ORIGIN. An HEIR has to do with POSSESSIONS obtained from your father. To be BORN of God you need FAITH. To inherit the earth you need (i) to be included in the Will, (ii) be found qualified for the job. To be included in the will, Abraham's seed must de CIRCUMCISED. It is a "sign" of joining the Covenant (Rom.4:11). A "sign" does not change the state of a man but it changes his status. For inheriting Israel (the Land of Canaan) Circumcision is required by God. But for the Kingdom of Heaven, the whole body must be cut off (symbolically). So if you enter Abraham's Covenant for the EARTH, you must be buried WHOLLY (immersed). Colossians 2:10-12 shows us "complete in him" but needing a special circumcision - buried in water. The burying in water does not change the state of the Newly Born Christian, but it changes his STATUS in the inheritance.

I would have liked to have commented on your understanding of God, but this is enough for now.

[Mr. M]

11 hours ago, Walter and Deborah said:

In this scripture, the Hebrew word for God is Elohim.

This is a uniplural term like group, team, committee or family. All of these represent one entity, comprised of several members or persons.

Not simply uni-plural, but the One who is exalted among them,

as in: King of kings, Lord of lords, the Righteous Judge.

11 hours ago, Walter and Deborah said:

Simply believe the plain meaning of this verse. One must become spirit to SEE the Kingdom of God.

One must be pure in heart to see God.

Matthew 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
For they shall see God.

1 John 3:3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

2 Corinthians 7:1 Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves

from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

One must be born again for the Holy Spirit to perform this good work in us.

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according

to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration,

and renewing of the Holy Ghost.

1 Peter 1:

22 Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit

in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, 

23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, 

through the word of God which lives and abides forever,

Ephesians 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

11 hours ago, Walter and Deborah said:

In John 3:3, Christ said to Nicodemus, “Verily, verily [this means truly, truly], I say unto you, Except a man be BORN AGAIN, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

Psalm 87:

5 And of Zion it will be said,
“This one and that one were born in her;
And the Most High Himself shall establish her.”
6 The Lord will record,
When He registers the peoples:
“This one was born there.” Selah

7 Both the singers and the players on instruments say,
“All my springs are in you.”

Hebrews 12:

22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God,

the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 

23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven,

to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect.

Edited August 5, 2023 by Mr. M
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[Your closest friendnt]

@AdHoc

Be blessed. 

It is not easy to talk about a lot of things and still we must press on and keep on discussing them.

If "you will surely die" it meant that the moment they ate from the fruit of the tree they will fall down dead, then Adam would have seen Eve falling down dead...and the would not have any children...the be fruitful and be pultiplie would be impossible to happen. 

We must accept that the "surely die" it did happen and try to understand it by what followed up. 

Enough had been given to us and to the Adam and his family to understand the meaning of the "surely die ".

When God said that to Adam "the surely die" was not upon them...they were in the Life of God...the Life God gave them when he created.  

They were alive to God within the window that God could come to them and be with them to where they were anytime. 

But how about them?

Why their meetings with God were always in the Garden..

They never left the Garden to "ascend" to God's place, to the Heavenly realm of God. To the realm of God that existed before the Creation. 

They were alive to God in their "coocous nest".

They did not have a Heavenly Inheritance and "the surely die" had not yet happened and they did not have an earthly Inheritance. 

They were people with a pending Inheritance still to be determined. 

One of the things that happened at the time when they ate it was to determined their Inheritance after death..at the time when they will one day physically die.

Adam and Kain yes even Kain understood that at the time of Abel's death.

Abel also understood that at the time of his death. 

He more than anyone else and it was a set example for the rest people to come till the time of God's Promises to Abraham. 

Till that time the default Inheritance for mankind was in place...beginning with Abel...even Abel was taken from God at the time of his death...that chance with Abraham who continued to have God as his God always while he lived and continued to be his God and he his people after he die...this happens for the first time ever.

Abraham was the first man to be alive to God after he died even though they were not together but was still ALIVE to HIM.

When God promised to Abraham that he will be only a God to him and to his chosen children after him all the time while they lived and He will continue to be their God after they will die.

God set up an Inheritance for Abraham and his chosen offsprings while they lived and after they died...he seperated them from the rest of the world...

After their death seperating the world in two...the rest of the world was generally speaking called Gentile..and Abraham and his chosen people were alive to God..

The "surely die " was taken off them and in its place it was given the "surely live".

Abraham and his chosen children were Alive to God even though they were gathered in the place God had given to Abraham in the Earth "the Bosom of Abraham "... which came with the promised that when the one God will sent to them with the Heavenly Inheritance will take them to their promised Heavenly Inheritance in his Name...in the name of the Slain Lamb of God. 

Edited August 5, 2023 by Your closest friendnt

[AdHoc]

3 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

@AdHoc

Be blessed. 

It is not easy to talk about a lot of things and still we must press on and keep on discussing them.

If "you will surely die" it meant that the moment they ate from the fruit of the tree they will fall down dead, then Adam would have seen Eve falling down dead...and the would not have any children...the be fruitful and be pultiplie would be impossible to happen. 

We must accept that the "surely die" it did happen and try to understand it by what followed up. 

Enough had been given to us and to the Adam and his family to understand the meaning of the "surely die ".

When God said that to Adam "the surely die" was not upon them...they were in the Life of God...the Life God gave them when he created.  

They were alive to God within the window that God could come to them and be with them to where they were anytime. 

But how about them?

Why their meetings with God were always in the Garden..

They never left the Garden to "ascend" to God's place, to the Heavenly realm of God. To the realm of God that existed before the Creation. 

They were alive to God in their "coocous nest".

They did not have a Heavenly Inheritance and "the surely die" had not yet happened and they did not have an earthly Inheritance. 

They were people with a pending Inheritance still to be determined. 

One of the things that happened at the time when they ate it was to determined their Inheritance after death..at the time when they will one day physically die.

Adam and Kain yes even Kain understood that at the time of Abel's death.

Abel also understood that at the time of his death. 

He more than anyone else and it was a set example for the rest people to come till the time of God's Promises to Abraham. 

Till that time the default Inheritance for mankind was in place...beginning with Abel...even Abel was taken from God at the time of his death...that chance with Abraham who continued to have God as his God always while he lived and continued to be his God and he his people after he die...this happens for the first time ever.

Abraham was the first man to be alive to God after he died even though they were not together but was still ALIVE to HIM.

When God promised to Abraham that he will be only a God to him and to his chosen children after him all the time while they lived and He will continue to be their God after they will die.

God set up an Inheritance for Abraham and his chosen offsprings while they lived and after they died...he seperated them from the rest of the world...

After their death seperating the world in two...the rest of the world was generally speaking called Gentile..and Abraham and his chosen people were alive to God..

The "surely die " was taken off them and in its place it was given the "surely live".

Abraham and his chosen children were Alive to God even though they were gathered in the place God had given to Abraham in the Earth "the Bosom of Abraham "... which came with the promised that when the one God will sent to them with the Heavenly Inheritance will take them to their promised Heavenly Inheritance in his Name...in the name of the Slain Lamb of God. 

I can see that you have spent time and thought on this problem. Thanks for your answer. I would like to present you with my understanding of the timing of Adam's death. To change something that you have held for a long time is not easy, so I'll leave you with my understanding to your leisure. My guiding principle is from 2nd Peter 1:20 which says  that we may no interpret the Bible with private means. That leaves only the Bible itself and nature (Rom.1:20) to explain scripture. In Genesis 1:1 God created ("bara" - Heb. = to make out of nothing). From verse 3 onward, except for the "creation" of the animals and man, the Hebrew word used is "Asah" = to make something from existing materials. This, together with some other evidence, which is not the subject here, we note that something happened to the earth and it descended into chaos. Darkness and a covering of water are sure signs of God's judgment.

What God did in six days was to restore the earth to habitable condition (Isa.45:18). Each of those days is defined in the text to be 24 hours - sunset to sunset - the Hebrew day as it is still used today. But almost glaringly is the length of the first Sabbath NOT RECORDED. Adam was created late on the sixth day, so his first day would have been the Sabbath. The threat from God was that Adam would die IN the day he ate of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Now, from Romans 5:12-17 and 6:23 we know that this death is a physical death. The problem with the "DAY" IN WHICH Adam died then is to find a day that fits his 930 years. This we must achieve without violating 1st Peter 1:20.

So we study all the days in the Bible and find that there are FIVE different days in the Bible. They are;
1. The time of daylight - sunrise to sunset
2. 24 hours - sunset to sunset
3. An event like "the day of the Lord". It is a period of undefined time in which the Lord prevails
4. In prophecy a day is a year (e.g. Num.14:4, Ezek.4:5)
5. For the Lord (not men)  1,000 years is like a day (2nd Pet.3:8)

Only one of these "days fits Adam's life for him to die WITHIN it - #5 - a thousand years is like a day. God, by the omission of the length of the first Sabbath, set its length by the length of Adam's life. But this explanation, by itself, is weak. By two or more witnesses must everything be established. Do we find it again?

The answer is "yes". In Hebrews Chapter 3 and 4 the Lord expresses His irritation that he could not fulfill His Sabbath. The accusation leveled at the Hebrews is that (i) the army of His People Israel could not enter "His Rest" and fell in the wilderness, and (ii) the occupying Nation of Israel was deported. Thus, God defines His "Rest" made vain by Israel's time in Canaan. Scholars do squabble about the exact dates, but all agree that it was short of 1,000 years. And then the Holy Spirit closes this rebuke in Hebrews 3 and 4 with a prophecy that there would be a FUTURE REST which would be fulfilled (Heb.4:9-11). And so God has defined His "REST" three times as a "day" of 1,000 years. And we can then search to find this "future" (or "remaining") Sabbath Rest. It is found in Revelation 20.

In Revelation 20 a full day of 1,000 years will be accomplished in the which God's Second Adam, Who is in His image and likeness, will rule and subdue God's enemies - the last one being death by a general resurrection at the White Throne. God defined the first and second "Rests" by 1,000 years, and predicted a third when Christ reigns. Thus, the DAY IN WHICH Adam died, is defined by God, using scripture for scripture, and precept upon precept, as a 1,000 year-day.

Then, all that remains is to examine the theory of "spiritual death". Whether long or short, the study of spiritual death turns up no such thin in the whole Bible. There is no case of a spirit dying. Angels, which are spirits, cannot die, says Luke 20:35-36. The one single scripture that could be construed as possibly indicating this theory is Ephesians 2:1-5 where we  are declared to be "dead IN our sins and trespasses". But by comparing the usage of "IN" something in other scriptures we find that it means a POSITION. In 1st Corinthians 15:22 it says that IN Adam all die. What is meant is that all men were once IN Adam and that our POSITION. Adam sinned while we were IN Him (IN his loins) and so sin, and subsequent death, are our portion. the verse goes on to say that IN Christ we will all be made alive. Christ is the Firstborn of the New Creation and the firstfruits of the dead, and the whole New Creation is IN Him. In Ephesians 2:1-5 the same meaning must be given. "IN" our sin and trespasses is a position we have. Verse 6 explains the meaning even better. because we had our beginning IN Christ (Jn.12:24), we are seated in the heavenlies NOT physically, but IN Christ.

Suffice to say that if the Bible scholars had sought a definition of the length of the first Sabbath, we would not have had to force an explanation that is not held by scripture. The spirit of man is what gives him vitality (Jas.2:26). At death it does not die. It returns to God Who gave it (Eccl.3:21, 12:7) to await the resurrection (Lk.8:55). Finally, to say that Adam died spiritually is to presuppose that Adam had spiritual life. But he had never eaten from the Tree of Life. He was barred from the Garden lest he "ALSO" eat ....! This implies that he had not yet eaten of it. And if he had, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Adam would have still been alive.

[Your closest friendnt]

On 8/5/2023 at 12:01 AM, Walter and Deborah said:

Friday 8-4-23 6th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, AV 17 5783, 45th. Summer Day

Paul wrote that Christ is “the firstborn from the dead” (Col. 1:18), and also “the firstborn among many brethren” (Romans 8:29). When connected, these verses show that Jesus is merely the firstborn from the dead, with many others to follow. But when, and into what, will these others be born?
In John 3:3, Christ said to Nicodemus, “Verily, verily [this means truly, truly], I say unto you, Except a man be BORN AGAIN, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” In verse 6, Christ continues, “That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” Simply believe the plain meaning of this verse. One must become spirit to SEE the Kingdom of God.

Paul taught, “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God” (I Cor. 15:50). The next two verses explain that the resurrection will occur at the last trumpet, when “the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
This is when the resurrection of the dead will occur. Do not misunderstand this climactic event, more carefully explained much later. Suffice to say here, people who were once fleshly human beings will be changed into spirit—will be born again—and enter into the Kingdom of God. No physical people can enter this Kingdom.

John 4:24 states, “God is a Spirit.” Under the Father, Christ leads His Kingdom, which is composed of spirit beings. At His Return, Christ, as a member of the God Family, will have many younger “brothers and sisters,” who will have qualified to rule with Him.
Think of it this way: There is a plant kingdom, an animal kingdom, human kingdoms and an angelic kingdom. There is also the Kingdom of God.

Now notice Genesis 1:26: “And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness.” When referring to themselves, the One speaking says, “Us,” “Our” and “Our.” This is proof that there is more than one Being in the Godhead—there are presently two! In this scripture, the Hebrew word for God is Elohim.

This is a uniplural term like group, team, committee or family. All of these represent one entity, comprised of several members or persons.
Thus, we will see that the Bible teaches that there is one God, composed of two Persons—the Father and Christ—with many more persons to be added later. The first great time when God will add more sons to His Family is when Christ’s Kingdom is established throughout the Earth. But entering God’s Kingdom will not be automatic for anyone.

Love, Walter And Debbie

 

On 8/5/2023 at 12:01 AM, Walter and Deborah said:

Friday 8-4-23 6th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, AV 17 5783, 45th. Summer Day

Paul wrote that Christ is “the firstborn from the dead” (Col. 1:18), and also “the firstborn among many brethren” (Romans 8:29). When connected, these verses show that Jesus is merely the firstborn from the dead, with many others to follow. But when, and into what, will these others be born?
In John 3:3, Christ said to Nicodemus, “Verily, verily [this means truly, truly], I say unto you, Except a man be BORN AGAIN, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” In verse 6, Christ continues, “That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”

 

On 8/5/2023 at 12:01 AM, Walter and Deborah said:

Simply believe the plain meaning of this verse. One must become spirit to SEE the Kingdom of God.

First time I heard this one and I have read the scriptures through out.

I can say with confidence that this statement is contrary to the Gospel message and everything in the scriptures is contrary to this suggestion that attempts to destroy the truths of the Gospel. 

even your own words when you read John 3: the words of Jesus which the disciples heard and in their entirely ministry they said things to the contrary....

Paul never said anything like that...only things to the contrary....

Jesus said to Nicodemus that when you see the Son of Man hanging on the Cross and you still believe in him your sins are forgiven in his name then you are born from above when your sins are forgiven in his blood.  

On 8/5/2023 at 12:01 AM, Walter and Deborah said:

Paul taught, “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God” (I Cor. 15:50). The next two verses explain that the resurrection will occur at the last trumpet, when “the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
This is when the resurrection of the dead will occur. Do not misunderstand this climactic event, more carefully explained much later. Suffice to say here, people who were once fleshly human beings will be changed into spirit—will be born again—and enter into the Kingdom of God. No physical people can enter this Kingdom.

John 4:24 states, “God is a Spirit.” Under the Father, Christ leads His Kingdom, which is composed of spirit beings. At His Return, Christ, as a member of the God Family, will have many younger “brothers and sisters,” who will have qualified to rule with Him.
Think of it this way: There is a plant kingdom, an animal kingdom, human kingdoms and an angelic kingdom. There is also the Kingdom of God.

Now notice Genesis 1:26: “And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness.” When referring to themselves, the One speaking says, “Us,” “Our” and “Our.” This is proof that there is more than one Being in the Godhead—there are presently two! In this scripture, the Hebrew word for God is Elohim.

This is a uniplural term like group, team, committee or family. All of these represent one entity, comprised of several members or persons.
Thus, we will see that the Bible teaches that there is one God, composed of two Persons—the Father and Christ—with many more persons to be added later. The first great time when God will add more sons to His Family is when Christ’s Kingdom is established throughout the Earth. But entering God’s Kingdom will not be automatic for anyone.

Love, Walter And Debbie

 

[luigi]

On 8/5/2023 at 12:01 AM, Walter and Deborah said:

The next two verses explain that the resurrection will occur at the last trumpet, when “the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”

I often wondered why the saints who have been killed throughout the ages for the Word of God in Revelation 6:9 are under the altar to which they testified and aspired to attain. It appears they have to wait until the last trumpet before being raised incorruptible and attaining their altar.

[Mr. M]

18 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

First time I heard this one and I have read the scriptures through out.

I can say with confidence that this statement is contrary to the Gospel message and everything in the scriptures is contrary to this suggestion that attempts to destroy the truths of the Gospel. 

even your own words when you read John 3: the words of Jesus which the disciples heard and in their entirely ministry they said things to the contrary....

Paul never said anything like that...only things to the contrary....

Jesus said to Nicodemus that when you see the Son of Man hanging on the Cross and you still believe in him your sins are forgiven in his name then you are born from above when your sins are forgiven in his blood.  

Are you equating a convert being born again from above with entrance into the Kingdom of Heaven?

 

[Your closest friendnt]

29 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Are you equating a convert being born again from above with entrance into the Kingdom of Heaven?

 

We need to carefully read what the scriptures say...

JESUS CHRIST said: Unless your sins are forgiven in my name in my blood you can not be born from above.

Jesus said that to have been forgiven in his sacrifice on the Cross by the blood of the Lamb of God that was slain on the Cross then you are born above....

Jesus said to Nicodemus who was perfect under the Law that if he did not believe Jesus Christ after he sees him Crusified and dieing on the Cross that he will be found in his sins...only then when he believe Jesus for the forgiveness of his sins then he will be born from God from above. 

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1 hour ago, luigi said:

I often wondered why the saints who have been killed throughout the ages for the Word of God in Revelation 6:9 are under the altar to which they testified and aspired to attain. It appears they have to wait until the last trumpet before being raised incorruptible and attaining their altar.

In Revelation 6:9-11 .

* In verse 9 we are told that those people were kill or slain for the word of God and their testimony about Jesus..(it makes a distinction between them and the prophets in the Old Testament who also died obeying the Lord God and we can see that Jesus Christ mentioned them just before his triumphant entry to Jerusalem...when he said: I have sent you my prophets and you killed them all...and here I come. 

Jesus made the distinction that those under the Altar were slain for his testimony. 

*in verse 10, they are described as the martyr of the faith. They said Jesus died for the forgiveness of our sins and we will die for the testimony of Jesus Christ that he was raised from the dead and God has make him Lord of all and he is ascended in Heaven and God has given him the Throne of the Kingdom and he reins. 

Those people they were not afraid to died because they had come to understand that Jesus is waiting to take them upon their death...and as they are under the blood of Jesus Christ "Death and Hades" cannot touch them and they will not be there to contest their soul from Jesus Christ...

9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” 11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters,[e] were killed just as they had been.