THE ONLY THING WE NEED TO KNOW IS JESUS

[Vine Abider]

2 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

There ya go!  Our sins are already forgiven.

You have verified what I've been hearing from numerous sources

So if someone does a bunch of sin, they will still be saved and go to heaven.

Yes, but that child of God will not be pleasing to Christ and will suffer from loss of rewards - there will be accountability, angst and likely regret for not building with anything eternally profitable. I want to hear those words from my Lord, "Well done good & faithful servant - enter into the joy of your Lord!" Don't you? 

[SpiritSong]

If the only thing we need to know is Jesus, but then promptly forget His Word, forget His commands and forget what He wants, what do we really know?

[farouk]

8 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

The general consensus I'm hearing from most people is that we absolutely cannot lose salvation after getting saved

So apparently it's true that it doesn't matter is one does sinful stuff or not because they'll go to heaven in the end so it's all good!

I find it odd that some say you shouldn't do sin stuff and then turn around and say you'll still to to heaven if you do but it's just not recommended.

That's like going to buy a set of tires and they say we don't recommend that you drive around with no road hazard coverage but if you don't get road hazard it's all good.

Hi @Stan Murff Good to look at theology from the wording of Scripture itself; Romans 8.38-39 is a wondrous passage:

"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

³⁹ Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Indeed, the whole chapter 8 of Romans is an encouragement to the believer.

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

2 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

Yes, but that child of God will not be pleasing to Christ and will suffer from loss of rewards - there will be accountability, angst and likely regret for not building with anything eternally profitable. I want to hear those words from my Lord, "Well done good & faithful servant - enter into the joy of your Lord!" Don't you? 

But as you said earlier all our sins are still forgiven so even if we live in sin we still get to go to heaven.

Your earlier post just comes right out and says this.

It helped clear thing up to let me know that no matter how I live I still get to go to heaven!

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

14 minutes ago, farouk said:

Hi @Stan Murff Good to look at theology from the wording of Scripture itself; Romans 8.38-39 is a wondrous passage:

"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

³⁹ Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Indeed, the whole chapter 8 of Romans is an encouragement to the believer.

Sounds like what all the preachers say is no matter how we live in our life we still get to go to heaven!  Thanks!

[farouk]

3 minutes ago, Stan Murff said:

Sounds like what all the preachers say is no matter how we live in our life we still get to go to heaven!  Thanks!

Paul also speaks in Romans of 'the obedience of faith' and 'obedience to the faith' in the first and the last chapter.

[SpiritSong]

3 minutes ago, Stan Murff said:

Sounds like what all the preachers say is no matter how we live in our life we still get to go to heaven!  Thanks!

Not all preachers say that, and this scriptural promise is for those who are already in Christ. How can you be in Christ if you are living life outside of Him?

Romans 8:1:

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who[a] do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

You cannot live your life out in the flesh and expect to be spiritually connected to Christ. The more we dwell in His Spirit, in His Word, in worship of Him, in prayer to Him,in His presence, the more we are a part of Him. No one else can sever that connection, but we can but walking away from Him and live in the dictates of the flesh, which are sin and death.

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

But that doesn't mean one won't go to heaven if they don't do obedience since all our sins are already forgiven

Seems like the street preacher guys should be telling everyone to just pray the sinners prayer and not worry about any of the rest of it and they'd get lots of people to get saved!

That way nobody has to worry about living right and all that and they can keep the lifestyle they're already living and just believe

They all preach it's faith alone and no works so all we have to do is believe what Jesus did and after than even if people so sin in their lives it doesn't really matter because they have been saved and they cannot lose their salvation! 

 

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

1 minute ago, SpiritSong said:

How can you be in Christ if you are living life outside of Him?

 

Apparently Jesus drank alcohol so how is that living outside of him?

And if all future sins have already been forgiven why would it matter?

[SpiritSong]

1 hour ago, Stan Murff said:

Apparently Jesus drank alcohol so how is that living outside of him?

And if all future sins have already been forgiven why would it matter?

Drinking alcohol is not a sin, but getting drunk and willfully placing yourself in a position of possible danger to yourself and others due to lack of self control is sinful.

The gift of forgiveness is for each of us to accept or refuse. Why be rescued from sin only to go back to it?

Romans 6:1-3

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?

Proverbs 26:11

As a dog returns to his own vomit, So a fool repeats his folly.

2Peter2:20-22

20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”

If we really want a relationship with Christ, King of kings and Lord of Lords, who is so gracious to forgive, why would continually behave as though we have no relationship with Him at all? And was His sacrifice on the cross for our redemption so cheap?

Or are we just looking for excuses to keep on sinning? Those who love sin don't know it leads to death, and if they do they are the most miserable of all unless they turn to Jesus. Those who love God don't love sin, they are ashamed of it. That's where God's grace and forgiveness comes in. Like it or not, repentance is part of our true walk with Christ. We need to surrender every area of our lives to Him. Why? Because He's God and the life we live we live in Him.

We don't have to accept Him. Our choice. But it really comes down to loving sin OR loving Him.