How did these get in the Bible???

[JimmyB]

9 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

No, actually the majority of them teach false doctrine!

This is where all the pastors that teach false doctrine are getting it from!

Seminaries and bible schools are ground zero for the great falling away as satan has infiltrated these institutions of "higher learning" long ago to sneak in all kinds of false doctrine.

Actually, this got started long ago and is with us today:

Acts 20:29
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

2 Peter 2:1
There were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

 

 

Of course, you are the source of all truth, correct? 

Saying that "Seminaries and bible schools are ground zero for the great falling away as satan has infiltrated these institutions of "higher learning" long ago to sneak in all kinds of false doctrine" is beyond ridiculous!  What is it that you have against Christian education?  Are you jealous of people who are formally taught?

I am now putting you on "ignore" status.  I have no desire to read any more of your posts.  Christian education is extremely important.  Ignorance is not, and never will be, bliss.

Acts 13:1, "Now in the church at Antioch there were prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon who was called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen a childhood friend of Herod the ruler, and Saul."

1 Corinthians 12:28, "And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then deeds of power, then gifts of healing, forms of assistance, forms of leadership, various kinds of tongues."

Ephesians 4:11, "He himself granted that some are apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers"

James 3:1, "Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers and sisters, for you know that we who teach will face stricter judgment."

IGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS!

Edited August 21, 2023 by JimmyB

[JohnD]

On 8/17/2023 at 3:36 PM, Stan Murff said:

Since we are not supposed to DO anything to be saved, are there errors in the Bible?

 

Seems like the following verses say we should DO some stuff so shouldn't the Bible be amended and these verses removed since they are obviously false entries right?

 

1 John 3:7

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that DOES righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous.

 

1 John 1:6

If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and DO not the truth:

 

Acts 26:20

But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and DO works meet for repentance.

Seriously?

Piece of cake!

1 John 3:7...

Isaiah 64:6 (KJV)
6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

1 John 1:6 and Acts 26:20...

John 6:27–29 (KJV)
27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

This also refutes your false claim that we are to do nothing. We are to believe in the genuine Jesus obviously but even that (Ephesians 2:8) clearly states is a gift from God and not of ourselves.

Why don't you try investigating what scriptures actually mean rather than what you hope they mean?

Then you won't be prone to such foolishness as fomenting the removal of holy writ.

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

2 hours ago, JohnD said:

Isaiah 64:6 (KJV)
6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

 

That was before the new birth was available, and is not true for born again believers abiding in Christ right now because our righteousness is of the Lord.

Isaiah 54:17
No weapon formed against you shall prosper, And every tongue which rises against you in judgment You shall condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, And their righteousness is from Me,” Says the LORD.

Those that are walking after the flesh claiming to be Christians, their righteousness is filthy rags, or not legit as they say on the streets.

What Jesus did on the Cross is only applicable to us as we abide in Christ... once we turn away and do sin, we are no long in right standing with the Lord

Because the wages of sin is death which is separation from God.

Which is why we need to confess and turn away from out sin to get back in right standing with the Lord.

And sadly, there are those that claim "that's works!" when one turns way from sin which leads people to continue in sin and claim they're all good because it's faith alone and they don't have to turn from their sin.

So, should we remove 1 John 3:7, 1 John 1:6, and Acts 26:20 from our bibles?

 

Edited August 21, 2023 by Stan Murff

[JohnD]

5 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

That was before the new birth was available, and is not true for born again believers abiding in Christ right now because our righteousness is of the Lord.

Isaiah 54:17
No weapon formed against you shall prosper, And every tongue which rises against you in judgment You shall condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, And their righteousness is from Me,” Says the LORD.

Those that are walking after the flesh claiming to be Christians, their righteousness is filthy rags, or not legit as they say on the streets.

What Jesus did on the Cross is only applicable to us as we abide in Christ... once we turn away and do sin, we are no long in right standing with the Lord

Because the wages of sin is death which is separation from God.

Which is why we need to confess and turn away from out sin to get back in right standing with the Lord.

And sadly, there are those that claim "that's works!" when one turns way from sin which leads people to continue in sin and claim they're all good because it's faith alone and they don't have to turn from their sin.

So, should we remove 1 John 3:7, 1 John 1:6, and Acts 26:20 from our bibles?

 

And I explained these verse and how they belong in canon.

Should we throw out the entire Bible because it doesn't align with your thinking?

[Truth Seeker 71]

“born again” is word #G313 - anagennaó: to beget again, Original Word: ἀναγεννάω

Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: anagennaó, Phonetic Spelling: (an-ag-en-nah'-o), Short Definition: I beget again, beget into a new life, Definition: I beget again, beget into a new life.

Thayer Definition: #G313 ἀναγεννάω anagennaō

1) to produce again, be born again, born anew 2) metaphorically to have one’s mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God
 

1 Peter 1:3-9, “Blessed be the Elohim and Father of our Master יהושע Messiah, who according to His great compassion has caused us to be born again (#G313) to a living expectation through the resurrection of יהושע Messiah from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and unfading, having been kept in the heavens for you, who are protected by the power of Yah through belief, for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time, in which you exult, even though for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by manifold trials, in order that the proving of your belief – much more precious than gold that perishes, and proven by fire – might be found to result in praise and respect and esteem at the revelation of יהושע Messiah, whom having not seen, you love; in whom you exult with unspeakable and esteemed joy, yet not seeing, but believing, obtaining the goal of your belief: a deliverance of lives.”

 

I beleive born again is when we are resurrect with an uncorruptable Spirit body

 

in the flesh it a new heart , but people call the new heart born again

 

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

Edited August 22, 2023 by Truth Seeker 71

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

1 hour ago, JohnD said:

the entire Bible because it doesn't align with your thinking?

That's exactly what the OSAS crowd does!

They have a select group of verses they use and ignore the whole counsel of God

[com7fy8]

On 8/21/2023 at 1:13 AM, Stan Murff said:

That's not true!  There's all kinds of warnings in the NT written to Christians putting the responsibility to abide in Christ on them not on the Lord.  God doesn't force anybody to walk with Him.

The Lord is not making robots out of us where we have no free will and what you are talking about came from John Calvin and is not biblical.

This make it where if some falls away then it was God's fault for not "keeping them"

 

We were robots . . . love-dead . . . in sin, worked-in by Satan's evil spirit > "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience." (in Ephesians 2:2) 

But Ephesians 2:1 says >

"And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins," (Ephesians 2:1)

Jesus can not sin. This does not mean He is a robot. But He is alive in life of love that does no evil, because of His character. And He in His life in us does make us sharing with Him > "as He is, so are we in this world." (in 1 John 4:7) And as we grow in Jesus, we more and more share with Him in His character of love life which has no ability for doing evil.

So we grow in His safety from sinning.

"But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived." (2 Timothy 3:13)

We in Jesus do not grow worse and worse, so we can leave God, but God has saved us from that and now grows us to better and better. We are growing in the image of Christ, maturing, not only choosing. And as we so grow, we share with God working in us in our wills (Philippians 2:13) so we are making His choices in sharing with Him > each of us sharing with God > "one spirit with Him." (in 1 Corinthians 6:17)

We have trusted in Jesus, leaving behind that old person with human free will (2 Corinthians 5:17).

We have chosen to be given to Jesus and leave behind that old will with its untrustworthy ability, and now "it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (in Philippians 2:13)

God works > so yes He does make us alive in His love with holy character which has us freely choosing good.

In our love-dead human wills in sin, we did not make genuine love's choices, but we were worked-in by Satan's evil spirit, "who works in the sons of disobedience " (in Ephesians 2:2)

The thanks is to God > as Romans 6:17 says >

"But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet from the heart you obeyed that form of doctrine to which you were delivered." (Romans 6:17)

In sin we were not free, but "slaves".

And with us it was impossible, without God >

"the things which are impossible with men are possible with God." (in Luke 18:27)

Therefore the credit and glory and worship and thanks are purely to You who are the real God and Father of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, as it is written, "But God be thanked".

And yes we are warned what will happen if we depart from God.

If you have children you tell them what will happen if they leave you and go in a swamp or jump off a cliff. And you bring them up so they don't. This does not mean they are robots, but that you love them and care for them.

And if one starts to commit suicide, you don't just say they need to love you by choosing not to kill themselves, but you rescue them, right? This does not mean they are robots . . . not of you, anyway . . . but maybe robots of their own love-dead stupidity. But you can do what you can to help them discover how love has them become and live.

But we need how God alone can change our character before we can make choices of real love.

[BeyondET]

On 8/17/2023 at 4:36 PM, Stan Murff said:

Since we are not supposed to DO anything to be saved, are there errors in the Bible?

 

Seems like the following verses say we should DO some stuff so shouldn't the Bible be amended and these verses removed since they are obviously false entries right?

 

1 John 3:7

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that DOES righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous.

 

1 John 1:6

If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and DO not the truth:

 

Acts 26:20

But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and DO works meet for repentance.

Are you planning on going to Damascus, Jerusalem and throughout the coast of Judaea then to the Gentiles to tell them they should repent?

Edited August 22, 2023 by BeyondET

[JohnD]

6 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

That's exactly what the OSAS crowd does!

They have a select group of verses they use and ignore the whole counsel of God

Nope. We know how to rightly categorize the scripture (under the tutelage of the Holy Spirit who wrote the Bible).

Do you even know the scriptures that say the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible?

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

11 hours ago, com7fy8 said:

But we need how God alone can change our character before we can make choices of real love.

So those that got saved and fell away it was God's fault because He failed to change their character?