Rapture: to be or not to be?

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

This tribulation will be taking place while pretribulation rapturists are in heaven with the bridegroom as post tribbers are trying to figure out whether it is project blue beam that they see or if aliens have really come and taken people. Since they are still here, they will likely believe the aliens have come.

Come on.

Provide the verse in Daniel 11 where you are raptured before these christians are persecuted in Israel.

 

Here is where the church in Israel is persecuted.Now provide your Daniel 11 rapture verse that shows you being raptured before these christians are persecuted.

 

Daniel 11:32-35

He will flatter and win over those who have violated the covenant. But the people who know their God will be strong and will resist him.
 

Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.

During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.

And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

Edited August 27, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[The Light]

5 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

So you believe you are raptured where in Daniel 11?

Exactly where are you raptured in Daniel 11 before the first Christian in Israel is persecuted ?

Provide the verse in Daniel 11 showing your rapture before the tribulation of Daniel 11:33.

 

You believe you are raptured before everyone who names are written in the lambs book.of life in Daniel 12:1?

 

 

I missed the part where I said I was raptured in Daniel 11.

[The Light]

4 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Come on.

Provide the verse in Daniel 11 where you are raptured before these christians are persecuted in Israel.

 

Here is where the church in Israel is persecuted.Now provide your Daniel 11 rapture verse that shows you being raptured before these christians are persecuted.

 

 

Oh. You are looking for this verse.

Matthew 24

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

[FreeGrace]

10 hours ago, The Light said:

Scholars???????  The book has been sealed until the time of the end. I would not rely on scholars. 

Revelation 14 is not a look ahead. It takes place in the seals. In Revelation 14 see the great tribulation which is the fifth seal and the coming of Jesus which is the 6th seal.

Can you show the verse/words that show that Jesus vomes at the 6th seal?

10 hours ago, The Light said:

Also, I showed you how the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 is marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars as is the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal. Of course you can look right past that and pretend those signs are not there. But why? 

I'm looking for evidence from Scripture.

[FreeGrace]

6 hours ago, The Light said:

How many times am I going to have to show you there is more than one harvest?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I just showed you in Revelation 14 the harvest has the righteous harvested 1st. 

There are no harvests regarding the resurrection of all saints.  Just Jesus as the "firstfruits" and then "when He comes" (second advent) "those who belong to Him" (all believers from Adam forward).  Says so in 1 Cor 15:23

One resurrection for the saved and one resurrection for the unsaved.

Dan 12:2, John 5:29 and Acts 24:15.  The resurrection of all saved will be at the second advent and 1,000 years later all the unsaved will be resurrected.  Rev 20:1-15.

[FreeGrace]

5 hours ago, The Light said:

This tribulation will be taking place while pretribulation rapturists are in heaven with the bridegroom as post tribbers are trying to figure out whether it is project blue beam that they see or if aliens have really come and taken people. Since they are still here, they will likely believe the aliens have come.

Are there any verses that unambiguously show Jesus taking resurrected believers to heaven?

[Shilohsfoal]

33 minutes ago, The Light said:

I missed the part where I said I was raptured in Daniel 11.

You said you will be in heaven while this tribulation is taking place.

 

6 hours ago, The Light said:

This tribulation will be taking place while pretribulation rapturists are in heaven with the bridegroom as post tribbers are trying to figure out whether it is project blue beam that they see or if aliens have really come and taken people. Since they are still here, they will likely believe the aliens have come.

Again here is the text of the christians in Israel being persecuted.

Daniel 11:32

He will flatter and win over those who have violated the covenant. But the people who know their God will be strong and will resist him.

Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.

During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.

And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

 

 

 

Now show us where you fly away before these christians in Israel are persecuted.Bach up your claim with scripture.Show us you being raptured before these Christians in israel suffer tribulation.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 28, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[The Light]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

Can you show the verse/words that show that Jesus vomes at the 6th seal?

I'm looking for evidence from Scripture.

Sure I can. The question is not can I provide the scriptural evidence. The question is will you be able to see the undeniable evidence. Or will your doctrinal blinders override the truth.

Here is the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24. You should be familair with these verses. Jesus sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. In blue you will see that this coming of Jesus is marked by the signs of the sun, moon, and stars.

Matthew 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

Here is the coming of Jesus at the sixth seal. In blue you will see that it is also marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. Most people think that the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 is the coming of Jesus at the second advent when He returns to earth and set up His kingdom after Armageddon. However, the signs of the sun, moon and stars mark the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal. Undeniable evidence that so few see or understand.

Revelation 6

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

[The Light]

2 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Can you show the verse/words that show that Jesus vomes at the 6th seal?

I'm looking for evidence from Scripture.

Jesus comes in Matthew 24 and sends His angels to gather the elect. This coming is marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. Jesus comes at the 6th seal as marked by the exact same signs.

[The Light]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

There are no harvests regarding the resurrection of all saints.  Just Jesus as the "firstfruits" and then "when He comes" (second advent) "those who belong to Him" (all believers from Adam forward).  Says so in 1 Cor 15:23

One resurrection for the saved and one resurrection for the unsaved.

 

Multiple harvests. Barley, wheat and fruit. Each harvest has first fruits, the main harvest and gleanings.

Just as Jesus is first friuts of them that slept, the 144,000 are first fruits of the second harvest.