Rapture: to be or not to be?

[Montana Marv]

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

No ,it doesn't tie it to the same day.

You don't comprehend the time of great tribulation or the amount of time between the daly sacrifice and the AoD.

You believe great tribulation is 3 1/2 years before the end.The great tribulation caused by the abomination of desolation takes place at the end.

You are 1290 days off.

Daniel 12:1

And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.

I understand it very well.

The 70th Week is co-joined with Two 3 1/2 year periods.  A lesser tribualtion of sorts, or the first 3 1/2 year period; Followed by the Great Tribulation which is also 3 1/2 years long.  Michael stands up after the A/D at the midpoint.

Dan 12:11 - From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the A/D that is set up there will be 1290 days, Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1335 days.  An extra 30 days and another 45 days beyond the 70th Week.

I see how you are reading this.  From the time the daily sacrifice is abolished there will be 1290 days till the A/D is set up.  Then there is another 45 days remaining.  I tie them together, you separate the events in time.

The time of Jacobs trouble lasts for 3 1/2 years (Rev 12:20).  Beginning at the Midpoint of the 70th Week.  Matt 24:15 - So when you see standing in the holy place, the A/D FLEE.  The A/D had a prototype when Antiochus Epiphanies slaughtered a pig on the altar.  The other A/D.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[DeighAnn]

31 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

We are not even in the same plane on this tbh. I do not event understand your point, all of this is END TIMES, I am not speaking about Babylon/Assyria in B.C. The point was Jesus only came unto Israel, thus his Wheat parable is ONLY about the Jews, not the Church, you guys indeed conflate EVERYTHING because you do not grasp this fact sister. You even conflated my point and did not understand I was trying to show why the Wheat is ONLY Israel in the parable.

I do not disconnect the Old Testament FROM the New.  I believe The New Testament is not only the Old Testament with all of its promises and prophecies being Revealed and fulfilled...it is a continuation of the story of GODS PEOPLE ISRAEL called by a different name Christian.


What all has taken place within the 40 years (probation) of the risen Christ?  

There is no longer a NATION/LAND in the promised place

There is no longer a PHYSICAL TEMPLE nor all the things that go with it

Death has been defeated

The Jews become a 'by word' 

The House of Israel and whomsoever would has begun to hear the good news.

So with the Corrections taking place under the New Covenant, no longer do souls have to go to hell to pay the penalty of Sin non repented WHEN abiding in Christ. 

So with no Nation all those laws are non active.  Christ has become what all the laws regarding the temple and rituals and priests once were.  

The King of Israel, our Lord and Saviour now awaits for all enemies to be made His footstool so He can return as LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS. 

What once was 'physical' (outside of us) BECOMES spiritual and of the 'heart and soul' (inside of us), allowing for the Holy Spirit to work within us (now the 'convictions' of sin come upon us 'spiritually, naturally' rather than from a PLACE/TABLET of stone where someone can point to something and SHOW the sin.  . 

When we read what was nailed to the CROSS, it was the Commandments CONTAINED IN THE ORDINANCES.  The temple and all its features, the priests and all their duties, the person and the animal confession, and forgiveness and all those requirements, NOT GONE, NOR any LESS NECESSARY, but a more readily available system, now HYPER improved and efficient.   

I wish THE CHURCHES today were taught like Paul taught in his day.  From the Old writings.  What is written in the New Covenant barely touches upon any of the details of God and without that general knowledge of how God works and feels it is impossible to know when something in the New Test is truth or not.  It allows so much assumption.  

I am going to show you the CONTINUATION of Israel, not a new Israel by a quick review of the Old.  My times are not accurate but still effective for the point.  


God picks a bloodline from amongst all the gentile nations.  A branch of that bloodline becomes

The House of Jacob, the 12 tribes of Israel. 

They get split into two groups.

Each group was 'assigned' different promises aka 'tasks' that must be completed for Gods desires to come to be.    

The first group is assigned the duties of keeping the temple and the laws and bringing FORTH the Messiah.  They will ALWAYS REMEMBER exactly WHO they are, where they come from, no matter where they may be scattered to in this world

The second group is assigned the task of going out to all parts of the world to settle it, to bring the blessings of God upon the whole world.  These, unlike the other group WILL forget WHO they once WERE.  They are to be 'sifted' amongst the heathen until they are 'basically' physically (and in the wisdom and knowledge of God) INDISTINGUISHABLE from the heathen.  BUT wherever that 'blood' goes, it REMAINS a sheep OF the original sheepfold and of the promises.   


The 2nd group will go into captivity FIRST, and will be the first to be released from captivity and when they are will go straight to the assigned tasks (promises/blessings).

the END GOAL REMAINS for the whole world would come to repentance 

So as those 'sheep' are set free from their captors they leave not only the land they were captives in but also what was once their own land and begin migrating throughout the world.  This is a really BIG part of Gods plan not only as in how the world will be blessed but HOW HIS WORDS will spread once it gets to them. 



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The FIRST group which is taken captive some 200 years after the second group was.  They, being in charge of keeping the laws and bringing forth the Messiah, fulfill the prophecy of going to rebuild the temple IN TIME FOR His birth.  Which they do.  By the time Jesus is 30 years old

the other 12 tribes (10 plus Ephriam and Manasseh) have LONG been about the Fathers business of migrating all around the world and are setting the foundations for not only MANY nations but A Company of Nations and a Great Nation.  They are settling the isles of the world and throughout all this time have remained SHEEP WITHOUT A SHEPHERD.   

So, Jesus, although born into the bloodline, is also born at a time when most of those who are in power, such as the Herod and a lot of the Chief priests and rulers  have been 'assigned' to those positions and are not of the bloodline or Judah, though there are many living there who are, and THEY hear His voice.  They are/become the foundation of the churches of today.

In one day alone, 3000 were converted.  Everywhere Jesus and the Apostles and Paul went it was the RULERS who caused the problems.

So, most if not all the JEWS who 'rejected' Him were not truly of the Bloodline as they themselves testify to, along with the words of Jesus, and the written words of God.
(never in bondage to any man, Vipers and Hypocrites, those who say they are Jews and are not but are of the synagogue of Satan)


So by the time the GOOD NEWS starts spreading out and into the world,

hundreds of years have gone by in which those 12 tribes have been multiplying like the sands of the sea, dust and stars...

and what are those 12 tribes known as in the words of God?  The house of Israel.  And what are they called?  

The scattered sheep.  They have been sifted amongst the heathen until it is impossible to tell one from the other.  Yet, they THEMSELVES NEVER rejected Jesus WHILE He walked the earth, just as they will not reject Christ and the good news when they HEAR His words.  

For them hearing the words of God is NATURAL even if they don't know why.  The world will be/is blessed everywhere they go.  

BEING 'scattered' doesn't make them STOP being of the 12 tribes of Israel, does it?  Them migrating throughout the whole world doesn't change WHO they are (bloodline to which the promises given) and it doesn't change who their GOD is.  WHETHER they know it or not.  "For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance." Romans 11:29 KJV

Ever wonder why two people hear the words of God and one takes to it like air and the other can't hear or come to understanding for a long time?  

And it is in that knowledge that 'the church' who teaches it is made up from the 'gentiles of the world' goes wrong

they REFUSE to acknowledge they are COME OF the scattered sheep of the House of Israel scattered to the world.  

So 'the church' gets it completely wrong as to WHO THEY ARE.  And with that doctrines that SHOULD apply to them don't and doctrines that should have no meaning do.

What does that CAUSE?  

A pre trib rapture of the church AND the church only because, as they are so fond of putting forth, ISRAEL HAS TO STAY for JACOBS TROUBLE. 

They don't realize that every time they say that they are speaking of themselves, since THE REALITY IS the church is ISRAEL, the 'scattered sheep' who hears His voice, hence here for JACOBS TROUBLE, just like the Jews.   


So when it is written IN PART has the blindness come, it means a little part of the whole is blinded, 2 or so of the 14 parts of Jacob

and the BIG PART that wasn't ever blinded, the scattered sheep are in fact known today as THE CHURCHES OF GOD. 

 
And that is how I tie the Assyrian and the Babylonian captivities into the New Testament. 


What I would like to know is WHAT IS IT YOU DO WITH ALL THOSE PEOPLE for 2000 years?  How do they never 'come to faith'?  How do they NOT hear His words?  How do you separate Gods People from Gods People when it is written

 

1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

11Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

17And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

18For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone;

21In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

I personally couldn't write my beliefs any better than that.  

The only thing that separates us and/or builds back up a PARTITION, is a doctrine



Those who teach His children to fly, are putting forth something that ends up with trying to save those who shouldn't be saved and killing those who should...YOU KNOW the 'HORROR and DEATH that those LEFT BEHIND will be facing'...

because A PART of their ancestors were 'blinded' 2000 years ago

FOR the benefit of the 'gentiles'. 

Does it seem like those who HAVE TO HAVE 'A SIGN', who have not put on the gospel armor, who have not studied to show themselves to be approved, who have not gone from the milk to the meat, who have not walked in His ways, who have not walked holy EVER, who have not seeked after the hidden treasures but have instead chosen the ways of the world 

TO FINALLY not come to faith but finally  'BELIEVE what they see with their own eyes' 

and not those who TRULY LOVE GOD through FAITH, who have put on the gospel armor

would be the 'trib saints'?   Makes no sense to me. 
  
I hope that clears up the first part.  
 

[Jaydub]

On 8/24/2023 at 6:38 PM, The Light said:

ohn 17

24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

That should clear it up for you.

Jesus prays that his disciples and all who believe their message not be taken out of the world. He prays for them to be protected from the evil one. He said non have been lost except the one doomed to destruction, yet all the apostles were persecuted and killed, so the prayer was to protect us from evil, from sin, from Satan so non would be lost. Protect us from the evil one so that we do not sin, so that we can be where he is, as you have pointed out.

Please if you feel I am still taking it out of context please be more clear, because I too believe this is a very good scripture to appose a pre trib rapture. John 17:15

[DeighAnn]

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Again, now I see why your question came, but ot just shows you are confused as per God's Word, God CAN NOT LIE. The reason you will not accept Ezekiel 37:11-14 is it shows that God indeed brought ALL Israel back into the land in 1948.

Except for the FACT that ALL ISRAEL is not in the hands of ALL ISRAEL.  The JEWS from the tribe of JUDAH, those who NEVER FORGOT who they were WENT BACK.  

How could those who DON'T KNOW they were of Israel go back?  

It was from the time THE TRIBE OF JUDAH was taken into captivity UNTIL the time of their punishment was fulfilled, NOT THE OTHER 13 TRIBES.  

You place JACOB as being JUDAH and somehow ERASE all the other tribes like GOD, WHO CAN NOT LIE just let all of those promises be of no effect.  

The ENTIRE FOUNDATION OF GODS PEOPLE ISRAEL IS MISSING FROM your beliefs. 

You don't seem to understand THE TWO STICKS are not made one UNTIL THE END.  You have them as having been made one IN 1948 BECAUSE you are not rightly dividing  WHO IS WHO.  

The two made one will be THE LAW KEEPERS and those under GRACE.  There is no one else.  








 

16Moreover, thou son of man,

take thee one stick, and write upon it,

For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions:

then take another stick, and write upon it,

For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
 

17And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.


DO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM WITH MAKING THE JEWS/JUDAH,
AND the House of Israel one in the same???  


as for THEM ALL BEING BROUGHT together IN 1948

THAT THEORY IS MISSING A SINGLE LORD AND KING RULING OVER THEM ALL, 
 

20And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel;


and one king shall be king to them all:

and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

23Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

26Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

27My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

28And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

  As for the FIRST PART, I see that as when CHRIST descended into hell....

The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,

2And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry.

3And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.

4Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.

5Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

6And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

7So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.

8And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.

9Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

10So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

11Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.


Can you see why I refuse to believe that Eze is what you claim? 

[DeighAnn]

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

But God can indeed take away a Nations right to repent by.........DRUMROLL.........Making then to become NOT A NATION !!!

They had CEASED to be a NATION 200 years PREVIOUS to the last tribe being taken captive.  How could the cursing be fulfilled all at the same time?   What you say doesn't ever take into account EVERY THING.  We can't just discard what doesn't fit.  

The nation didn't go in one fell swoop, it was a series of 'falls' over periods of time.  And they CEASED to be a NATION because that was what God said would happen when they were given the blessings and the cursing's. 

 

 

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The WHOLE HOUSE is not every Jew, only 1/3 repent, 2/3 will perish, many Jews will be in hell just like most Gentiles will be in hell, you do not get concepts sister, the WHOLE HOUSE to God means every tribe is represented. But what it does not mean is that the Church is of the WHOLE HOUSE God was speaking about. 

I didn't say it was.  

Many Jews, and Christians will be in hell until Christ returns, when the dead are finally resurrected.  Those JUST should not have been among the dead at all, they  should have just obeyed and/or abided and repented...

cause if they did, they too could have been amongst those who returned with Christ, having never died and followed Him having been raised up incorruptible, in power and in glory.


As for the Gentiles, they would be the UNJUST DEAD  


 
 

[DeighAnn]

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

SMILE..........NO...........I show that above, they are blinded as a Nation until the Churches time has come full (Gentiles calling) which means at the rapture the TIMES CROSS OVER AGAIN. Israel then has their calling (which Paul tells us is without repentance) by Gd become front and center again. With the Church gone, Israel must now rule with Jesus for 1000 years during the Kingdom Age but first they must repent and do so as seen in Zech. 13:8-9 just before the DOTL arrives in Zech. 14:1. That is when they flee to the Petra/Bozrah area (at the 1290). The 1335 is the Two-witnesses blessing. 

All for a doctrine.  But no matter where we go in Gods words THE PRE TRIB always makes null and void the words of God.  


And I'll have to skip reading any more of your replies and just say now,

we disagree.  

 

[DeighAnn]

4 hours ago, The Light said:

Then you say that it is after the tribulation so it is talking about the second advent. You are not understanding the verse proves that the tribulation is OVER at the 6th seal. Then the wrath of God begins.

11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


If THERE IS A SEASON they have to wait for their fellow servants to be killed and the next thing to happen is

"the tribulation OVER"

then there is a LIE being told somewhere.  

EITHER there is a season after that or there isn't.  

Why would the sun put on mourning clothes WHEN CHRIST RETURNS?  

Wouldn't it be more APPROPRIATE for the SUN to go into mourning when SATAN and his angels ARE CAST FROM HEAVEN?  

Doesn't the mood going to blood mean WAR?  

If these are the signs given for the TIME OF CHRIST

then WHAT were the signs given us for the casting out and falling of Satan?





 

12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Do you really think CHRISTS return is like THE UNTIMELY CASTING OF FIGS from the shaking by  mighty wind??

Nothing about that comes across as having missed the mark, somehow?


 

[DeighAnn]

4 hours ago, The Light said:

So Jesus returns for a harvest at the 6th seal. He remains in the clouds and sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins when the 1st trumpet is blown. Wrath is over at the 7th as Jesus returns to the earth and sets up His kingdom.

But that is after the DEAD RISE.  How could that work?   Is there a DOUBLE resurrection of the dead at that time?   Gods wrath can't fall on just those of the last generation or else how could everyone be 'avenged'?  

[Shilohsfoal]

3 hours ago, The Light said:

And this is the whole point...............The tribulation is OVER at the 6th seal.

Then the wrath of God begins. The tribulation is not the wrath of God.

I didn't say the wrath of God was the tribulation of the saints.The great tribulation is the wrath of God.

The persecution of the church in Israel lasts 3 1/2 years.They will be imprisoned and killed.Then the ten Muslim countries attack and overcome the Israeli government and take control of Jerusalem raping the women and killing the babies and children.Some will escape and go into exile.Then the United states responds by destroying about all the middle east and attacking all the countries that have overcome Israel.They will use nukes which causes great tribulation.

But the tribulation of the church in Israel takes place first.And there's no reason for you to be raptured while the church in israel is persecuted.

Mark 13

⁹ But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

¹⁰ And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

¹¹ But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

¹² Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.

¹³ And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

¹⁴ But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

 

Not untill after the 3 1/2 year persecution in mark 13:9-13 is the abomination of desolation placed in Jerusalem.

The 6th seal is the abomination of desolation.Then shall be great tribulation ,unlike the world has ever seen.

 

 

 

Edited August 28, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[DeighAnn]

4 hours ago, The Light said:

I have shown you that Jesus comes IMMEDIATELY after the tribulation. We can see that this happens at the 6th seal as it is marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. Tribulation is over. There is a harvest and then wrath begins.

"He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down." Psalms 104:19 KJV
 

8And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

9But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

10Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:" Acts 2:20 KJV



"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;" Revelation 6:12 KJV



That takes place BEFORE the day of the Lord comes 

 

20And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

That takes place before the Lord comes

27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.