Rapture: to be or not to be?

[Montana Marv]

On 8/25/2023 at 7:51 AM, Shilohsfoal said:

Christ is not going to let the antichrist and all them that do iniquity reign in his kingdom during the millinial kingdom.They are consumed before the millinial reign.

Those who have received the MOTB and worshiped the beast die either before Armageddon or at/in Armageddon.  They are not consumed; for the Birds of the air eat the flesh of horses and men.  The blood reaches the height of a bridle or 3 to 5 feet.

Yet, those who are not partakers (do not die) in Armageddon and go into the Mill will be subjects of the Kingdom, they will not reign in the Kingdom.  Those who reign must have subjects to reign over. These same individuals must go up year after year during the Feast of Tabernacles to worship the Lord Almighty.  For Christ to rule "with a rod of iron", He must have individuals who need to be retrained in their thinking and habits.  These are those who came out from the 70th Week.

Only A/C and the False Prophet are cast into the LOF before the Mill.  All others go into the LOF following the GWTJ later after the Mill.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[The Light]

6 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

Those who have received the MOTB and worshiped the beast die either before Armageddon or at/in Armageddon.  They are not consumed; for the Birds of the air eat the flesh of horses and men.  The blood reaches the height of a bridle or 3 to 5 feet.

Yet, those who are not partakers (do not die) in Armageddon and go into the Mill will be subjects of the Kingdom, they will not reign in the Kingdom.  Those who reign must have subjects to reign over. These same individuals must go up year after year during the Feast of Tabernacles to worship the Lord Almighty.  For Christ to rule "with a rod of iron", He must have individuals who need to be retrained in their thinking and habits.  These are those who came out from the 70th Week.

Only A/C and the False Prophet are cast into the LOF before the Mill.  All others go into the LOF following the GWTJ later after the Mill.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Well put, and exactly correct.

[The Light]

On 8/25/2023 at 11:09 AM, Shilohsfoal said:

Noah stayed on the surface of the earth untill he died and was buried.Long after the flood had come and took everyone else away.

Since you can't understand Noah, let's look at Lot. 

Lot left Sodom. The ones that stayed in Sodom were destroyed. Simple enough.

[The Light]

On 8/25/2023 at 11:11 AM, Shilohsfoal said:

The beast from the bottomless Pitt is cast into the lake of fire before the millinium.Not after.

 

Revelation 19:20

 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Which has nothing to do with the others.

Edited August 26, 2023 by The Light

[FreeGrace]

19 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

The Light said: 

Correct He is not coming twice.

How many times does He come.

The first advent
The regeneration
The second advent

Yes, only twice.  Generally called the FIRST advent, and the SECOND advent.  Jesus came the first time to earth as a baby, to become the Suffering Servant and Savior.  He will come back to earth as King of kings and Lord of lords at the end of the Tribulation.

Heb 9:28 is clear - so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

Jesus comes to earth twice.  There will be no pretrib rapture/resurrection.  The resurrection of all believers will occur when He comes back at the Second Advent.

Regarding resurrection of the savede:  1 Cor 15:23 -  But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes (Second Advent), those who belong to him (all believers from Adam forward).

19 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

 

 

[The Light]

20 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

13Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, (PRE TRIB RAPTURE) wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

 

14Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
 

15Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, (PRE TRIB RAPTURE)

but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

16Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

(ENDURE TO THE END)





 

What translation are you using. I'm using KJV and it does not say that.

I looked in the Greek and could not find even a hint of the pretrib rapture mentioned in these verses.

I called the Greek consulate and they could not help so I went to the Embassy. Still no one understands where those verses say pretrib rapture.

I posed the question to the National Organization of Bible Colleges and requested that they do a grassroots questionnaire to all of the colleges professors and even students. They don't know how pretrib rapture got in the verses.

I went to Bible Hub and went through every translation that was listed and none showed pretrib rapture.

So unless you can show me what translation you are using, I'm going to have to conclude that you added that. Please forgive me for not exhausting all possibilities but I was pressed for time.

Did you add that??????????????????????????????????

 

[The Light]

15 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Yes, only twice.  Generally called the FIRST advent, and the SECOND advent.  Jesus came the first time to earth as a baby, to become the Suffering Servant and Savior.  He will come back to earth as King of kings and Lord of lords at the end of the Tribulation.

Heb 9:28 is clear - so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

Jesus comes to earth twice.  There will be no pretrib rapture/resurrection.  The resurrection of all believers will occur when He comes back at the Second Advent.

Regarding resurrection of the savede:  1 Cor 15:23 -  But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes (Second Advent), those who belong to him (all believers from Adam forward).

 

How convenient. I got one person adding to the Word of God and one person taking away from the Word of God. Why did you not quote all of the verse????????

 

Hebrews 9

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

[The Light]

19 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Yes, only twice.  Generally called the FIRST advent, and the SECOND advent.  Jesus came the first time to earth as a baby, to become the Suffering Servant and Savior.  He will come back to earth as King of kings and Lord of lords at the end of the Tribulation.

Heb 9:28 is clear - so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

Jesus comes to earth twice.  There will be no pretrib rapture/resurrection.  The resurrection of all believers will occur when He comes back at the Second Advent.

Regarding resurrection of the savede:  1 Cor 15:23 -  But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes (Second Advent), those who belong to him (all believers from Adam forward).

 

What do you do with this coming of Jesus when He comes for the 144,000 first fruits and redeems them from the earth.

Revelation 14

1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Do we skip these things and pretend they don't exist?

[The Light]

20 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Did you MISS ALL THE ANDS?  

Do you understand the purpose of all the ANDS?  
 

14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

The vine of the EARTH is cast into destruction aka the great winepress.  

                                       OF THE WRATH OF GOD


CERTAINLY you aren't suggesting Gods elect are cast into destruction by the wrath of God are you?

Are you going to just skip the righteous that are harvested first?????

Revelation 14

14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

 

A second angel for the unrighteous

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

[The Light]

19 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

"They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all." Luke 17:27 KJV

Satan and the angels are cast to the earth.  And they will eat and drink and marry just like they did in the days of Noah.  

and OUR ARK is the gospel armor so we can WITHSTAND the fiery darts of Satan.  





 

As for the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man

As for they were in the days those, before the flood, eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, 

until that day entered Noah into the ark And NOT THEY KNEW, until came the flood and took away all

(THEY WERE SURPRISED BY THE FLOOD, JUST LIKE WHEN HE COMES AS A THIEF IN THE NIGHT, they will be surprised yet again)

thus will be also the coming of the Son of Man


Now when we read it in the GREEK it becomes even more clear what is being said.

As for the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man

As for THEY WERE in the days those, before the flood, eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until that day entered Noah into the ark

And NOT THEY KNEW, until came the flood and took away all

(THEY WERE SURPRISED BY THE FLOOD, JUST LIKE WHEN HE COMES AS A THIEF IN THE NIGHT)

thus will be also the coming of the Son of Man




And as it came to pass in the days of Noah, thus will it be also in the days of the Son of man
THEY WERE EATING
THEY WERE DRINKING
THEY WERE MARRYING
THEY WERE BEING GIVEN IN MARRIAGE
until that day entered Noah into the ark,
and came the flood and destroyed all

Likewise, as it came to pass in the days of Lot
THEY WERE EATING
THEY WERE DRINKING
THEY WERE BUYING
THEY WERE SELLING
THEY WERE PLANTING
THEY WERE BUILDING
in THAT THEN day went out Lot from Sodom
it rained FIRE AND BRIMSTONE FROM HEAVEN AND DESTROYED ALL
According to these will it be in that day the Son of man IS REVEALED



(HIM COMING as a thief in the night to those who are not watching for Him but what follows these verse is the MOST TELLING OF ALL)

In that day, the [one who] will be on the housetop and the goods of him in the house not let him come down to take away them and the [one] in field likewise not let him return to the things behind

Remember the wife of Lot!!

(WHY WOULD WE BE WARNED TO REMEMBER THE WIFE OF LOT IF WE WERE IN HEAVEN?

AND LETS not forget THIS NEXT PART)

Whoever if may seek the life of him to save will lose it, whoever also will lose [it] will preserve it. 

(WHAT MEANING WOULD THAT HAVE IF EVERYONE WAS ALREADY IN HEAVEN?) 
 

 

Lot left Sodom. Destruction came on Sodom.

That's as simple as I can make it.