An Old Fogies Stroll Down Memory Lane

[AdHoc]

19 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

I think you would agree there is a convergence of everything prophetic, shaping up and aligning according to scripture. Said another way, I highly suspect the confirmation of a seven-year treaty with Israel and other prophetic events are on the horizon. Based on the generation that witnessed Israel reborn as a nation once again.

If that thought is accurate, we should see the formation of precisely who or what these "Ten Kings" are. These kings have something the Lawless One needs to control global commerce, buying and selling, and control of it. These Ten Kings precede the official arrival of the A/C in power and authority; thus, they are the ones in charge of controlling something, giving that control over.

What are your thoughts on who the Ten Kings are?

Many traditionally believe these kings are from ten European nations, which could very well be. However, I do not imagine ten European countries (European Union) with that kind of power. Economics, trade, money, and their control of them are the earmarks of ambition and the global Beast system. All global free trade revolves around dozens of free trade agreements, with thousands of documents and pages outlining free trade. Shortly, when the great reset is agreed to and signed, U.N. law and regulations will supersede individual countries' laws and our own U.S. Constitution.

The United Nations represents "the world" in stature and power. It is gaining strength and intensity and is about to initiate its socialist control Agenda 2030 and all it entails. The 1973 Club of Rome divided the globe into ten economic trading zones. If or when implemented, it would require ten leaders to be appointed over them, a possibility with teeth.

I propose looking at something condensing and forming, egged on by never wasting a good crisis (false manmade global warming/climate change, disparity of individuals and nations, COVID-19, values, and inequity). I see oligarchies strengthen in governments, banking, news media, computing, social media, surveillance, manufacturing, the retail industry, and even privatized space programs. At present, Elon Musk would be a good candidate for one of the Ten King positions.  

I see a pattern of condensing of that mentioned above to ten CEOs or leaders governing the control of world commerce, manufacturing, entertainment, communications, and business. Why have hundreds of companies suddenly gone woke, not worried about their bottom line, but are positioning themselves for a seat at the table? Many no longer listen to their consumer base, voluntarily support, and stand behind a minority of their consumer base.

One of the current examples is the king of beers, Budweiser, now the queen of beers, losing billions of dollars because they just went woke and refuse to back down. That makes no business, stockholder, or logical sense unless there is a strategy and agenda. Why does an evil spirits beer company take a political and social stance, destroying its former reputation and losing billions of dollars in the process? Not to mention Disney and hundreds of others.

 

You are right. There is a discrepancy concerning the kings. The fourth world power in Daniel 2 is Rome and it abides till the "little stone". Clay shows democracy. Iron shows military of police rule. But the ten toes are included in this weakest of governing philosophies (gold being Autocracy). I understand that the ten kings will be part of the democratic government system. They could either be executive presidents or the monetary elite. But I'm not dogmatic, and it could very well be a system like the UK with its Constitutional Monarchy.

I am also not dogmatic about where the ten kings come from, but Daniel's effigy indicates that all ten come from within the boundaries of Rome. The treaty that binds the EU is the "Treaty of Rome". Excluding the US from international political event seems like folly, but I have to go with prophecy as closely as I can. On the other hand, the USA could very well be a major player as the Harlot "fornicates with the KINGS OF THE EARTH" (not just Europe).

There are two major things that we, as students of the bible must not forget:
1. All the prophecies of events, except one, are directed at Israel - not the Church
2. The one exception is the blossoming of the Fig Tree

For decades I believed the common understanding that this was 14th May, 1948. But two things changed that for me. The first was  the "GENERATION" that will not pass, and the second was that the parable made its point, NOT WITH THE TREE BUT WITH THE BLOSSOMING!

1. The use of the word "GENERATION" in the Bible is almost always, "WHAT has been generated". It seldom established a time frame. And in the few cases where it establishes a time period, they are all different. No consistent figure is given. But the system of making a generation WHAT IS GENERATED is so clearly shown in Luke 11:45-51. How does our Lord attribute the death of Abel and all deaths through Zacherias to "this generation". It can only mean that the KIND is propagated. The "Generations of Adam" in Genesis 5 show what was generated. Adam, created in the image and likeness of God, should have "generated" one in the image and likeness of God. But ALAS! Seth was in ADAM'S likeness. Sin had come in and Seth was "infected" with the Adamic nature.

When Christ says that "this generation will not pass ere ...", He does not mean a time period. He mean a KIND - the KIND that murders prophets. And this is all the more shocking because if that KIND must pass it means wholesale slaughter of Jews. It means that except for the 144,000 of Chapter 7 nearly all Jews must pass. On the one hand this is unthinkable, but on the other, the slaughter of the "third of men" in Chapter 9 could very well include "this generation". I do not want to deal lightly with such a thought, but God is not One to play games with murder and/or idol-worship. Abel onward, and especially the prophets were God's men. I don't want to be near when they are avenged. Naturally, Daniel 12:1-2 and Ezekiel 37 sort out the problem of death among Israelites, but it is a sobering thought.

2. As to the BLOSSOMING, all through scripture the meaning of a "garment" in Parable is ones WORKS (Rev.19:7-8, etc.). If the Fig Tree is Judah, what are its leaves but its COVERING. And if a "garment" is WORKS then Judah is special. they have THE LAW to regulate their works. That is confirmed by Adam and Eve in Genesis 3:22. They knew "good and evil" and made garments of Fig Leaves. Now we have Judah which was cursed and withered. The context is, in Matthew 24, "one taken and one left" which causes the breakup of a HOUSE. And this house is the house of the servants of the Lord. Thus, the parable shows by an event in Israel, the immanency of the rapture. And what is that event? It is Israel with a Temple practicing Law again. And who "strengthens THE Covenant"? The Beast. And which covenant is it? The one with the DAILY OBLATION - that of Sinai and of Moses. For it this this that the Beast forbids half way into the last "seven" (Dan.9:26-27).

There are no signs given to the Church, for it must live by faith. But to it are given Parables (Matt.13) that they may know the "mysteries" of the Kingdom.

[Dennis1209]

2 hours ago, AdHoc said:

You are right. There is a discrepancy concerning the kings. The fourth world power in Daniel 2 is Rome and it abides till the "little stone". Clay shows democracy. Iron shows military of police rule. But the ten toes are included in this weakest of governing philosophies (gold being Autocracy). I understand that the ten kings will be part of the democratic government system. They could either be executive presidents or the monetary elite. But I'm not dogmatic, and it could very well be a system like the UK with its Constitutional Monarchy.

I am also not dogmatic about where the ten kings come from, but Daniel's effigy indicates that all ten come from within the boundaries of Rome. The treaty that binds the EU is the "Treaty of Rome". Excluding the US from international political event seems like folly, but I have to go with prophecy as closely as I can. On the other hand, the USA could very well be a major player as the Harlot "fornicates with the KINGS OF THE EARTH" (not just Europe).

There are two major things that we, as students of the bible must not forget:
1. All the prophecies of events, except one, are directed at Israel - not the Church
2. The one exception is the blossoming of the Fig Tree

For decades I believed the common understanding that this was 14th May, 1948. But two things changed that for me. The first was  the "GENERATION" that will not pass, and the second was that the parable made its point, NOT WITH THE TREE BUT WITH THE BLOSSOMING!

1. The use of the word "GENERATION" in the Bible is almost always, "WHAT has been generated". It seldom established a time frame. And in the few cases where it establishes a time period, they are all different. No consistent figure is given. But the system of making a generation WHAT IS GENERATED is so clearly shown in Luke 11:45-51. How does our Lord attribute the death of Abel and all deaths through Zacherias to "this generation". It can only mean that the KIND is propagated. The "Generations of Adam" in Genesis 5 show what was generated. Adam, created in the image and likeness of God, should have "generated" one in the image and likeness of God. But ALAS! Seth was in ADAM'S likeness. Sin had come in and Seth was "infected" with the Adamic nature.

When Christ says that "this generation will not pass ere ...", He does not mean a time period. He mean a KIND - the KIND that murders prophets. And this is all the more shocking because if that KIND must pass it means wholesale slaughter of Jews. It means that except for the 144,000 of Chapter 7 nearly all Jews must pass. On the one hand this is unthinkable, but on the other, the slaughter of the "third of men" in Chapter 9 could very well include "this generation". I do not want to deal lightly with such a thought, but God is not One to play games with murder and/or idol-worship. Abel onward, and especially the prophets were God's men. I don't want to be near when they are avenged. Naturally, Daniel 12:1-2 and Ezekiel 37 sort out the problem of death among Israelites, but it is a sobering thought.

2. As to the BLOSSOMING, all through scripture the meaning of a "garment" in Parable is ones WORKS (Rev.19:7-8, etc.). If the Fig Tree is Judah, what are its leaves but its COVERING. And if a "garment" is WORKS then Judah is special. they have THE LAW to regulate their works. That is confirmed by Adam and Eve in Genesis 3:22. They knew "good and evil" and made garments of Fig Leaves. Now we have Judah which was cursed and withered. The context is, in Matthew 24, "one taken and one left" which causes the breakup of a HOUSE. And this house is the house of the servants of the Lord. Thus, the parable shows by an event in Israel, the immanency of the rapture. And what is that event? It is Israel with a Temple practicing Law again. And who "strengthens THE Covenant"? The Beast. And which covenant is it? The one with the DAILY OBLATION - that of Sinai and of Moses. For it this this that the Beast forbids half way into the last "seven" (Dan.9:26-27).

There are no signs given to the Church, for it must live by faith. But to it are given Parables (Matt.13) that they may know the "mysteries" of the Kingdom.

That is very insightful. I have never heard it explained that way; that is a lot to chew on and digest. Like yourself, I have held the traditional view, and still do, until my thinking and understanding change, as it did on several subjects. Thank you for enlightening me with some food for thought.

One such change in thought you mentioned is the effigy of Nebuchadnezzar's dream and Daniel's interpretation. The head of gold, the chest and arms of silver, the waist of bronze, both legs of iron, and the feet and ten toes of iron mixed with miry clay.

As we assume, the value, malleability, and strength change from top to bottom. The two feet and ten toes, or iron mixed with miry clay, are very interesting. The previous metals are historical kingdoms, and the iron mixed with clay is yet to come.

I assume that iron is Rome II, but who or what is the clay, making it partially strong but not cohesive?

I propose all the elements, including the clay, are former and one future empire. It is too long to discuss, but lead and clay were also symbolic of former empires. Found in writings of the Dead Sea Scrolls, Dr. Ken Johnson does an excellent job explaining these empires and who they are. It gives new light on the clay that loosely adheres to the iron.

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

As we assume, the value, malleability, and strength change from top to bottom. The two feet and ten toes, or iron mixed with miry clay, are very interesting. The previous metals are historical kingdoms, and the iron mixed with clay is yet to come.

I assume that iron is Rome II, but who or what is the clay, making it partially strong but not cohesive?

I propose all the elements, including the clay, are former and one future empire. It is too long to discuss, but lead and clay were also symbolic of former empires. Found in writings of the Dead Sea Scrolls, Dr. Ken Johnson does an excellent job explaining these empires and who they are. It gives new light on the clay that loosely adheres to the iron.

We are the 'clay', aren't we?  
"But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand." Isaiah 64:8 KJV




Have you ever considered this part?

As you saw iron mixed with clay ceramic

 mingle they will with seed of men the

 but not they will adhere this to this 

even just as iron not does mix with clay


 

I looked this up and posted it because of 'arab' not that I think it has bearing, but who can say for sure....

6151. arab 
Strong's Concordance
arab: to mix
Original Word: עֲרַב
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: arab
Phonetic Spelling: (ar-ab')
Definition: to mix

 

2234. zera 
Strong's Concordance
zera: a seed
Original Word: זְרַע
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: zera
Phonetic Spelling: (zer-ah')
Definition: a seed
seed
(Aramaic) corresponding to zera'; posterity -- seed.



Have you ever considered

Satan and his angels will be cast down to the earth when the war in heaven ends?

or considered that to be in company with

'as in the days of Noe…'?

or why 

3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

4Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.

5But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

6For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

7For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

8For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

9Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

10For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.



and if so, what made you decide they don't go together?

Edited August 24, 2023 by DeighAnn

[Dennis1209]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

We are the 'clay', aren't we?  
"But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand." Isaiah 64:8 KJV




Have you ever considered this part?

As you saw iron mixed with clay ceramic

 mingle they will with seed of men the

 but not they will adhere this to this 

even just as iron not does mix with clay


 

I looked this up and posted it because of 'arab' not that I think it has bearing, but who can say for sure....

6151. arab 
Strong's Concordance
arab: to mix
Original Word: עֲרַב
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: arab
Phonetic Spelling: (ar-ab')
Definition: to mix

 

2234. zera 
Strong's Concordance
zera: a seed
Original Word: זְרַע
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: zera
Phonetic Spelling: (zer-ah')
Definition: a seed
seed
(Aramaic) corresponding to zera'; posterity -- seed.



Have you ever considered

Satan and his angels will be cast down to the earth when the war in heaven ends?

or considered that to be in company with

'as in the days of Noe…'?

or why 

3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

4Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.

5But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

6For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

7For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

8For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

9Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

10For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.



and if so, what made you decide they don't go together?

⁴¹ And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters’ clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. ⁴² And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. ⁴³ And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.^[1]

It seems you are thinking like I am. Most overlook part of the verses above. I have checked a couple of dozen commentaries on Daniel 2:41-43, along with the Aramaic lexicons. Few wanted to comment on Daniel 2:43 in general, and none commented on the seed of men specifically, other than to use the word descendants.

To gain a better idea of who “they” are, identify the feet. We need to identify who are “they.”

10240 זְרַע (z^erǎʿ): n.[masc.]; ≡ DBLHebr 2445, 2446 Str 2234; TWOT 2715—LN 10.29 descendant, offspring, progeny, formally, זְרַע אֲנָשָׁא (z^erǎʿ ʾ^ǎnā·šā(ʾ)), the seed of a person (Da 2:43+)^[2]

†זְרַע S²²³⁴ TWOT²⁷¹⁵ n.[m.] seed (cf. BH I. זרע);—cstr. ז׳ אֲנָשָׁא Dn 2:43 seed (offspring) of men.^[3]

The following are my lengthy notes if you care to read them:

The word 'cleave' used in this passage is the same word used in Genesis, where the word 'marriage' is used. There is a mingling of two different seeds but no marriage, which they could be less than human. The wording and words underlined above are strange. As Dr. Michael S. Heiser says, "if it's strange, it's important." Historically, most Bible scholars assumed the "ten toes" represented ten confederate European nations [the old Roman empire]. As of this writing, the European Union is rapidly weakening economically and culturally. Millions of Muslims are invading Europe, and the European native population itself is not procreating and maintaining their census. Indeed, this traditional view is not ruled out.

A recent second view has gained traction as we see the day approaching. Some scholars and Bible students have now postulated these ten toes could be a confederation of ten Muslim nations. The eastern leg of the old Roman empire outlasted the western leg by 1,000 years [until 1917]. Today that eastern leg of the Roman empire is all Muslim nations. Islam is the globes 2nd most populated religion [cult], with 1.4 billion adherents. Turkey yearns and is building militarily for a return of the Ottoman empire. They are partly strong because of their numbers, fierceness, terrorism, and dedication. They are somewhat weak because of their disunity between Muslim factions [Sunni and Shia] and are constantly at war. The only thing they hate more than each other is the Jews, which could be a cause for unification. This view to me also seems plausible.

10240 זְרַע‎ (z^erǎʿ): n. [masc. ]; ≡ DBLHebr 2445, 2446 Str 2234; TWOT 2715—LN 10.29 descendant, offspring, progeny, formally, זְרַע אֲנָשָׁא‎ (z^erǎʿ ʾ^ǎnā·šā(ʾ)), the seed of a person (Da 2:43+ )¹ = sperm.

¹ James Swanson, Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains: Aramaic (Old Testament) (Oak Harbor: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997).

An early church father opinion: When men multiplied on the earth, the angels of heaven came together with the daughters of men. In some translations, I found "the sons of God." What the Spirit means, in my opinion, is that the descendants of Seth are called the sons of God, because of the righteous men and patriarchs who have sprung from him (even down to the Savior himself). However, the descendants of Cain are named the seed of men, as having nothing divine in them, because of the wickedness of their race.… However, if it is thought that these refer to angels, we must take them to be those who deal with magic and sorcery, who taught the women the motions of the stars and the knowledge of things celestial. By the power of those angels, they conceived the giants as their children, by whom wickedness reached its peak on the earth. Finally, God decreed that the whole race of the living should perish in their impiety by the deluge. Julius Africanus (c. 245, E), 6.131.1

1 David W. Bercot, ed., "Angel, Angels," A Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs: A Reference Guide to More than 700 Topics Discussed by the Early Church Fathers (Peabody, MA: Hendrickson Publishers, 1998), 19.

… they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: They, who is they? The late Dr. Chuck Missler and many others [L. A. Marzulli, Doug Hamp, etc.] think "they" is not referring to humans, in light of the Genesis 3:15 seed war throughout the Bible. This could be another incursion of trans humanism, Nephilim hybrids, and mixing DNA. With the UFO phenomenon occurring and official acknowledgment of governments that UFO are real and a threat, the following verse is interesting:

Daniel 11:39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain. 

The Wycliffe Bible translates strange god as alien god. Everything now is coming full circle, and as Solomon said: Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. 

Thus, we see that in the last days, rulers of this dark age (Eph. 6:12) will mingle their seed with humans just as they did in the days of Noah and also when the children of Israel went into the Promised Land. So, just as Jesus predicted, the days of His return would be like the days of Noah. The sons of God took women, and the fruit of their union was the Nephilim. So, the last days will be marked by the coming of these Nephilim. We see that these days have already begun to be fulfilled, so our Lord's return cannot be far away. 1

1 Doug Hamp

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The Bible clarifies that there were Nephilim on the earth during Noah's days and after that. There was a 'second' incursion of the "sons of God" co-mingling with the daughters of men. Both Jude (Jude 6-7) and Peter (2 Peter 2:4-9) confirm this.

Luke 17:26 (KJV) And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

Attempts were made to corrupt humanity's bloodline. The reason I suspect was the seed war described in Genesis 3:15, to prevent the coming of the Messiah and the promises of God. All of humanity [save eight], all land animals with the breath of life were genetically contaminated; thus, the deluge to start over again, rather than destroy all flesh.

Jesus did not have to go back to the days of Noah unless there was a specific difference, something bizarre, of something occurring out of the ordinary in Noah's day. Jesus could have used many other more recent historical times of eating, drinking, and business as usual. But Jesus cited something almost three thousand years back from when He walked the earth. There was, and will be, a mingling of two very different "seeds." So, this strongly implies the Nephilim [hybrids] will be returning and here, before His second coming. There is no question whatsoever that genetics and DNA are being tampered with today, creating chimeras and super soldiers.

There have been many Nephilim corpses and bones found throughout history. It goes against the theory of evolution and the scientific atheist narrative. Most of this evidence was and is being retrieved and hidden by the Vatican and Smithsonian Institute; a cover-up if you will. Therefore, the DNA of these Nephilim giants could be used today to reproduce copies of these Nephilim.

The only question in my mind is; will these Nephilim make their appearance through scientific DNA splicing and tampering, or a third incursion of the fallen sons of God? There is a feverish concerted effort underway in the field of "trans-humanism" to modify humanity [upgrade] to something that would not be fully human. Jesus perfectly created humanity and the human body; it became corrupted by the first sin and passed down. Before the fall and the Lord cursing His creation, there was no death, disease, suffering, pain, thorns, and thistles. All of creation [the whole universe] moans and is contaminated by this act. Jesus did not die for a mixed human race [hybrids] but went to the Cross for what He created. 1

1 Dennis commentary

  

 

 

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^[1] The Holy Bible: King James Version. Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version. Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009. Print.

^[2] Swanson, James. Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains: Aramaic (Old Testament) 1997: n. pag. Print.

^[3] Brown, Francis, Samuel Rolles Driver, and Charles Augustus Briggs. Enhanced Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon 1977: 1091. Print.

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Attempts were made to corrupt humanity's bloodline.

Not humanity's, but the Bloodline through which Jesus HAD to be born for prophecy given by God to the Prophets to be True.  



and a little food for thought

And it's always good to remember God does Divine things in 3s and things of the nature world in 4 s for the most part.  

Jesus 1st Advent

When He returned for the 40 days

Christ return as Lord of Lords and King of Kings

2 influx of angel, one more to go

Thank you for the reply.