The Difficult Sayings Of Jesus

[Anne2]

5 minutes ago, Starise said:

This truly falls into the category of strange if taken literally.  When Jesus was at the last supper, it might have made a little more sense to the disciples. " This is my blood, take and drink", This is my body, take and eat"

Rephrase- Accept my sacrifice, my body sacrificed for you, for the remission of sins. Then He went to the cross and made it all too apparent what he meant.

Some Christian denominations observe the Lord's table in remembrance of Him. They hand out the wine and the bread to observe the ritual. The reason I'm bringing this up is to flag an inaccurate teaching that says these elements are literally the blood and body of Christ. Most protestant churches see this as only symbolic. Really going out on a pole otherwise.

Not to take this thread off track, but what difference does this make, in ad of itself? Lutherans believe in the real presence. 

[Anne2]

Just now, Anne2 said:

Not to take this thread off track, but what difference does this make, in and of itself? Lutherans believe in the real presence. 

 

[Starise]

2 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

Not to take this thread off track, but what difference does this make, in ad of itself? Lutherans believe in the real presence. 

Can God be present without making the elements real?

[Anne2]

2 minutes ago, Starise said:

Can God be present without making the elements real?

And? He can also make them real? 

[enoob57]

I think it important to realize Jesus was speaking to the new borns not yet born... as it is taught in the above communications... Paul identifies why:
1 Cor 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
KJV
The mission of God was to speak to the element of way, truth and life ... thus His message was of s/Spirit and to accept that which is not of this world one must be born again into Spiritual realities...  my flesh profits me nothing in this pursuit!

God has instructed us that this world and all (all) passes away and will be forgotten thus fulfilling
1 John 2:15-17
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
KJV
It is a very easy understanding - God will not place eternal truth in that which passes away... 

[Starise]

4 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

And? He can also make them real? 

 

4 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

And? He can also make them real? 

Certainly He can do anything, but in this case, at the original Lords table the elements were symbolic, and in no Lords table I've ever partaken of were the elements ever thought to be anything other than symbolic.

Not sure what the Lutherans believe about the Lord's table. But I think it's symbolic remembrance based on everything I know.

[Anne2]

1 minute ago, enoob57 said:

I think it important to realize Jesus was speaking to the new borns not yet born... as it is taught in the above communications... Paul identifies why:
1 Cor 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
KJV

Is this about the Eucharist?

[enoob57]

Just now, Anne2 said:

Is this about the Eucharist?

yes ... they are simply trying to place Spiritual things into physical realties that will pass away...

[Anne2]

Just now, Starise said:

 

Certainly He can do anything, but in this case, at the original Lords table the elements were symbolic, and an no Lords table I've ever partaken of were the elements ever thought to be anything other than symbolic.

Not sure what the Lutherans believe about the Lord's table. But I think it's symbolic remembrance based on everything I know.

The way it is real is the difference

"There are a number of Christian denominations that teach that Christ is truly present in the Eucharist, including Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Oriental Orthodoxy, the Church of the East, the Moravian Church, Lutheranism, Anglicanism, Methodism, Irvingism and Reformed Christianity.^{[1][2][3][4][5][6]} The differences in the teachings of these Churches primarily concern "the mode of Christ's presence in the Lord's Supper".^[1]"

[Anne2]

2 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

yes ... they are simply trying to place Spiritual things into physical realties that will pass away...

Oh so, all the historical liturgical Churches, Protestant or not are unspiritual?