Believers' Accountability and the Judgement Seat of Christ

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

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That seems like a lot of focusing on sin

The devil knows if he can con people in to doing sin then that makes them in opposition to the Lord... we should not be ignorant of satan's devices and be on the look out for His traps and recognize them when we see them.

Another reason to talk about sin is because many want to keep their sin and still be right with the Lord and somebody needs to teach what the Lord says about sin in His Word.

The Word of God talks a lot about sin and contains many warnings about sin directing mankind to NOT be sinful.

Born again believers in the New Testament have access to ALL the power, wisdom, and knowledge needed to stop living in willful, knowing sin.  To whom much if given much is required (Luke 12:48) so more than any other people throughout history... we have no excuse to be walking in sin.

I say this as one that used to be so proficient in sin, I could commit sin without even thinking about it!  (I grew up in the 70s and 80s party scene where the mantra was"if it feels good... do it!" which is a recipe for opposing the Lord and going to hell)

Edited September 8, 2023 by Stan Murff

[Your closest friendnt]

5 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

The devil knows if he can con people in to doing sin then that makes them in opposition to the Lord... we should not be ignorant of satan's devices and be on the look out for His traps and recognize them when we see them.

We all learn from trials and errors. We are not in a position to speak for the Lord. We do not know his mind and he did not authorize us to speak on his behalf...

 

5 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

Another reason to talk about sin is because many want to keep their sin and still be right with the Lord and somebody needs to teach what the Lord says about sin in His Word.

First we do not know what kind of sin is you are talking about because you did not specify. 

Many things are perceived as sinful to some but not to others...

They may be some in the group you point out and always will be and Jesus knew about that from the beginning but he still died for them also.

We must come to the Knowledge that the plan of God from the beginning was to make a man that if the man disobeys or sins he is still his because he has forgiveness of sins on his Atonic blood...the man who does not stands in his own righteousness as it was Adam and the people under the Covenant of Sinai but he stands in the righteousness of the Slain Lamb of God who shed his blood to redeemed us and Atone for our sins. 

We stand before him in his own righteousness that's why he can never casts us away from him. It's not possible. 

We give an account to him if he enquiries and about what he enquiries to each and every one of us.  

This is why he wrights his laws in our hearts because they vary from one to another as he sees fit and at the right time for everyone which you do not know when is the right time for Jesus to ask someone to repent from a specific thing....

many speak in their name and say this or that ....without knowing the will and the right timing Jesus Christ has for everyone...this is why Paul said it is between everyone and Jesus...unless he is in the ministry of your church.. then he must comply with the rules of contact of the church. 

5 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

The Word of God talks a lot about sin and contains many warnings about sin directing mankind to NOT be sinful.

Jesus puts his own Law in the hearts of everyone tailor to his needs...at the specific time....which no one knows unless He reveals it to someone....

5 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

Born again believers in the New Testament have access to ALL the power needed to stop living in willful, knowing sin.  To whom much if given much is required (Luke 12:48) so more than any other people throughout history... we have no excuse to be walking in sin.

I am not judging but this a good time to bring it up.

Who are the believers you are judging with the opening statement.  "Born again believers"....and what do you mean by born again believers...is it from the Bible teaching, is it from Peter? 

 

5 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

I say this as one that use to be so proficient in sin, I could commit sin without even thinking about it!  (I grew up in the 70s and 80s where the mantra was"if it feels good... do it!" which is a recipe for opposing the Lord and going to hell)

Not everyone has walked in the same shoes as you....and you have not walked in the shoes of others...we do not want to have look alike believers that if you have seen one you have seen them all. Diversity in everything for each and everyone of us.

In the day we will appear before Jesus after we have died and while our next of kin gathered around our dead body preparing it for the earth and take their pictures. The Glorious Jesus looks at us as we are approaching HIS THRONE AND LIKE THE FATHER OF THE (PRODIGAL) SON HE SAYS ONE OF MY OWN BECAUSE WE ARE CLOTH IN HIS OWN ROBE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, OUR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS WHAT EVER IT IS IS COVER BY HIS ROBE...

Edited September 9, 2023 by Your closest friendnt

[Marathoner]

20 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

We all learn from trials and errors. We are not in a position to speak for the Lord. We do not know his mind and he did not authorize us to speak on his behalf...

 

First we do not know what kind of sin is you are talking about because you did not specify. 

Many things are perceived as sinful to some but not to others...

They may be some in the group you point out and always will be and Jesus knew about that from the beginning but he still died for them also.

We must come to the Knowledge that the plan of God was from the beginning to make a man that if the man disobeys or sins is still his...the man who does not stands in his own righteousness as it was Adam and the people under the Covenant of Sinai but he stands in the righteousness of the Slain Lamb of God who said his blood to redeemed us and Atone for our sins. 

We stand before him in his own righteousness that's why he can never casts us away from him. It's not possible. 

We give an account to him if he enquiries and about what he enquiries to each and every one of us.  

This is why he rights his laws in our hearts because they vary from one to another as he sees fit and at the right time for everyone which you do not know when is the right time for Jesus to ask someone to repent from a specific thing....

many speak in their name and say this or that ....without knowing the will and the right timing Jesus Christ has for everyone...this is why Paul it is between everyone and Jesus...unless he is in the ministry of your church.. he must comply with the rules of cintact of the church. 

Jesus puts his own Law in the hearts of everyone tailor to his needs...at the specific time....which no one knows unless He reveals it to someone....

I am not judging but this a good time to bring it up.

Who are the believers you are judging with the opening statement.  "Born again believers"....and what do you mean by born again believers...is it from the Bible teaching, is it from Peter? 

 

Not everyone has walked in your shoes....and you have not walked in others...we do not been look alike believers that if you have seen one you have seen them all.

In the day we will appear before Jesus after we have died and while our next of kin gathered around our dead body preparing it for the earth and take their pictures. The Glorious Jesus looks at us as we are approaching HIS THRONE AND LIKE THE FATHER OF THE (PRODIGAL) SON HE SAYS ONE OF MY OWN BECAUSE WE ARE CLOTH IN HIS OWN ROBE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, OUR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS WHAT EVER IT IS IS COVER BY HIS ROBE...

It's difficult to communicate the nuances. You have done a fine job, my friend. Wonderful post!

What we see with these eyes of flesh which don't see clearly, and our own judgment that isn't privy to the secrets of the heart and a life lived, is not equivalent to the judgment of the Lord. 

I was judged by men who believed that their judgment was the judgment of God. They quoted scripture and declared that I was an "apostate." That was a very long time ago. 

The Lord proved them wrong. You know how I have been planted in the lives of people who have been rejected by men for one reason or another. I come to them as a friend, as someone who cares about them, because I will never forget how the Lord came to me when I was disowned by my family and rejected by everyone I knew. 

This is the Lord we know and who knows us. How can we not love Him? 

[Your closest friendnt]

35 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

It's difficult to communicate the nuances. You have done a fine job, my friend. Wonderful post!

What we see with these eyes of flesh which don't see clearly, and our own judgment that isn't privy to the secrets of the heart and a life lived, is not equivalent to the judgment of the Lord. 

I was judged by men who believed that their judgment was the judgment of God. They quoted scripture and declared that I was an "apostate." That was a very long time ago. 

The Lord proved them wrong. You know how I have been planted in the lives of people who have been rejected by men for one reason or another. I come to them as a friend, as someone who cares about them, because I will never forget how the Lord came to me when I was disowned by my family and rejected by everyone I knew. 

This is the Lord we know and who knows us. How can we not love Him? 

Thank you for your testimony and your insightful words. 

In principle but not in similar facts I have walk the same path as you have in principle and in the key turning points...it is amazing...I post to reveal how the Lord has mold me through suffering and rejection by my hope it was always to him. 

And I have come to understand that also in our trials and suffering he reveals him self to us.

That was for me and for a season and a season and a season and a half...

"The Lord sends you to them as a healer."

I love the special gift you have to be able in a very special way to comunicate your thoughts to others and your rich vocabulary. 

Edited September 9, 2023 by Your closest friendnt

[Sower]

4 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

I say this as one that used to be so proficient in sin, I could commit sin without even thinking about it!  (I grew up in the 70s and 80s party scene where the mantra was"if it feels good... do it!" which is a recipe for opposing the Lord and going to hell)

I remember.
Myself I grew up in the fifties with beatniks, and sixties the hippies, LSD and, and psychedelic, so most of my sin was never considered nor were they even recognized, just a conscience all wore out.
     “Tune In, Turn On, Drop Out”, wheres the piper, Mr Timothy Leary today?
Yet; nothing new;
Ecclesiastes 1:9  "The eye never has enough of seeing, nor the ear its fill of hearing.  What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again;

                   there is nothing new under the sun"

[Your closest friendnt]

6 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

This is straight from the Bible.  And should cause joy for knowing HOW to restore fellowship when sin occurs.

In the Covenant of Sinai sin indeed seperated the people from their Lord the enforcer of the Covenant and all the particulars of how to restore fellowship with the Lord were written in the book of Leviticus. There were unpardonable sins listed in their Law...and sins that required an Atonement to be made by the Priests in the Temple.  

Everyone had the burden to appear before the Lord standing in the righteousness that came by obedience to the Law. 

Uncleanness also seperated the people from the fellowship with the Lord as long as their Uncleanness lasted. They were the Laws of purification...and no one was allowed to partake in the celebrations of their religious Calendar if he was not ceremonial clean, even if he had no sin.

There is no repentance to the Law of purification...there is only compliance to the rituals. 

If you are recommending your self before the Lord in your own righteousness and seek His fellowship and live under the fear of sin that torments then you are practicing the Law of God in the Covenant of Sinai. 

You live in the fear of death in the same way the people in the Sinai Covenant did.

Jesus repeatedly went out of his way and he went where no one was calling him but he followed the call of the Heavenly Father. 

He went to sinners to people who were cut off from the Lord who were living without the fellowship of God and were not included in the congregation and the community of the people who were obedient to the Law.

He went to the lost people of Israel, the lost sheep of Israel. 

Jesus told the people the parable of the lost sheep and that what he did...he went to where the lost sheep was. He gave his fellowship to the sinners and the cast offs and those who were cut off from God even the leapers and he touched them and he forgave their sins without them asking them. He still does that today...unless someone is protesting telling him that he cannot do that the way the righteous people of his time did...

(Just a note; why you are referring to Scriptures you want to discuss without posting them...why? But why?) 

6 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Where does the Bible say this?  The kind of sin is irrelevant.  Or Psa 66:18 would have made that point as well.  It just says that regarding sin in the heart causes God to NOT LISTEN to your prayers.  And NO sin is a "catalyst" to increase fellowship of the Spirit.  That is just kidding yourself.  ALL sin results in loss of fellowship because God will not fellowship with any sin.

That is why when Jesus was bearing our sins on the cross, the Father and Spirit turned their backs on Jesus and forsook Him.  

What are you saying here?  I cannot tell.  Rephrasing might help.

?

Are you disagreeing with 1 John 1:9, or Eph 4:30 or 1 Thess 5:19?

 

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

4 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

We are not in a position to speak for the Lord. We do not know his mind and he did not authorize us to speak on his behalf...

God tells us what He has to say in that Book He published... the Bible!

It's grave mistake to believe God has not revealed His Word unto man thru the Teacher Jesus prayed and ask the Father to send... the Holy Ghost!

Proverbs 1:23
Turn you at my reproof (Correction): behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

If folks would just turn from their sin unto the Lord and STUDY His Word... the Teacher (Holy Ghost) will start making God's Word known unto them (understanding)

The devil is the one who started the rumor that we cannot know what the Lord thinks and what his mind (understanding) is.  But we have the mind of Christ! (1 Corinthians 2:9-16)

Ephesians 3:17-20

Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love....may be able to comprehend with all Saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height....and to know the love of Christ, which passes knowledge to you, that you might be filled with all the fullness of God....Glory unto Him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,

 

Colossians 1:9-14

For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that you might be filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding....that you might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God....strengthened with all might, according to His glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness....giving thanks unto the Father, Who has made us able to be partakers of the inheritance of the Saints in light (Glory) ....Who has delivered us from the power of darkness, and has translated us into the Kingdom of His dear Son....in Whom we have redemption through His Blood, even the forgiveness (destruction, removal) of sin.  ( forgiveness of our sin is only applicable when we abide, and live IN HIM )

1 Corinthians 2:9-16
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

BUT GOD HAS REVEALED THEM TO US BY HIS SPIRIT : for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? BUT WE HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST.

 

Edited September 9, 2023 by Stan Murff

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

4 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

First we do not know what kind of sin is you are talking about because you did not specify. 

Things God says in His Word that are sin.

 

4 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Not everyone has walked in the same shoes as you....and you have not walked in the shoes of others...we do not want to have look alike believers that if you have seen one you have seen them all. Diversity in everything for each and everyone of us.

None the less... God's Word provides lists of things that if one does they shall not inherit His Kingdom.  You should check that out and take heed!

We are all predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29)... HE is THE model we are to pattern our lives after.

Those that are not following the model of Jesus, imitating Him as a dear child imitates his Father (Ephesians 5:1)... ultimately is following the model of the devil which is to be in opposition to the Lord.

There are only two sources of information man has access to to follow... the Word of the Lord, and the lies of the devil.  The smart ones follow the Lord!

Edited September 9, 2023 by Stan Murff

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Stan Murff said:

God tells us what He has to say in that Book He published... the Bible!

The people who believe in him publish the Bible...

1 hour ago, Stan Murff said:

It's grave mistake to believe God has not revealed His Word unto man thru the Teacher Jesus prayed and ask the Father to send... the Holy Ghost! 

I have never said anything like that..this is not a truth statement of what I have said...if it was why are you not quoting the post...

1 hour ago, Stan Murff said:

 

Proverbs 1:23
Turn you at my reproof (Correction): behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

 

Proverbs 1:23

(this is from the writing of Solomon title "wisdom shouts in the streets ") these are not the words of the Lord God in the Old Covenant. 

Solomon said they are the words of wisdom. It is not supposed to say my Spirit like giving the appearance that it is a prophetic word from the Lord God that will be fulfilled in Jesus Christ in the New Covenant...not it is not...

23Come and listen to my counsel.

I’ll share my heart with you

and make you wise.

1 hour ago, Stan Murff said:

 

 

If folks would just turn from their sin unto the Lord and STUDY His Word... the Teacher (Holy Ghost) will start making God's Word known unto them (understanding)

If by saying folks you mean the believers in Jesus Christ then this a good statement. But it is not an absolute statement because we have been caution to test the Spirits because not all the Spirits are from God. 

The disciple gave an example that if someone does not believe that Jesus came in the flesh then he is not brom God...and then we have all those people who believe that Jesus Christ came in the flesh and they have agree to disagree on the interpretation of scripture. 

Is not very simple...and becomes complicated in the main issues and Paul was tested by his own students the Galatians...in some matters.  .

In another situation Paul was not wellcome to go to a church he had help to established....

We need to seek the quidance of the Holy Spirit and we should be careful for other Spirits who try to make believe they are from God when they are not. Distorted spirits of this age.   In due time the Holy Spirit will expose them...in the mean time people believe that they have been conected to the Holy Spirit when they are not.  

In that day of when we stand before the The Throne of Jesus Christ the truth will be revealed...but it rather the truth be revealed to us while we still live so we can enjoy the rewards of knowing the truth in some matter in this life,while we yet live so we can have the joy of being corrected in this life and no longer supports something that it has the appearance of being from God but it is not from God. 

1 hour ago, Stan Murff said:

The devil is the one who started the rumor that we cannot know what the Lord thinks and what his mind (understanding) is.  But we have the mind of Christ! (1 Corinthians 2:9-16)

Ephesians 3:17-20

Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love....may be able to comprehend with all Saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height....and to know the love of Christ, which passes knowledge to you, that you might be filled with all the fullness of God....Glory unto Him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,

 

Colossians 1:9-14

For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that you might be filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding....that you might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God....strengthened with all might, according to His glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness....giving thanks unto the Father, Who has made us able to be partakers of the inheritance of the Saints in light (Glory) ....Who has delivered us from the power of darkness, and has translated us into the Kingdom of His dear Son....in Whom we have redemption through His Blood, even the forgiveness (destruction, removal) of sin.  ( forgiveness of our sin is only applicable when we abide, and live IN HIM )

1 Corinthians 2:9-16
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

BUT GOD HAS REVEALED THEM TO US BY HIS SPIRIT : for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? BUT WE HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST.

 

This is a good subject but in due time...not to take over the thread  

[FreeGrace]

4 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

In the Covenant of Sinai sin indeed seperated the people from their Lord the enforcer of the Covenant and all the particulars of how to restore fellowship with the Lord were written in the book of Leviticus. There were unpardonable sins listed in their Law...and sins that required an Atonement to be made by the Priests in the Temple.

Worship was different in the OT.  Need to stay in the NT to know "what's up".

4 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

  

Everyone had the burden to appear before the Lord standing in the righteousness that came by obedience to the Law.

Rom 3:20 - Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

4 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Uncleanness also seperated the people from the fellowship with the Lord as long as their Uncleanness lasted. They were the Laws of purification...and no one was allowed to partake in the celebrations of their religious Calendar if he was not ceremonial clean, even if he had no sin.

Focus on the NT.

4 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

If you are recommending your self before the Lord in your own righteousness and seek His fellowship and live under the fear of sin that torments then you are practicing the Law of God in the Covenant of Sinai.

Nonsense.  1 John 1:9 tells us that IF IF IF we confess our sins, God is faithful and justified to FORGIVE us our sins and to PURIFY us from all unrighteousness.

4 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

You live in the fear of death in the same way the people in the Sinai Covenant did.

I do NOT.  Why would or should I "fear death".  Jesus conquered death on the cross when He paid our sin debt and then rose from the dead.  Believers who live in fear are living in UNBELIEF.  They have no excuse.

4 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

(Just a note; why you are referring to Scriptures you want to discuss without posting them...why? But why?) 

Like what?