The Problem With Evolution Part 2- Animals

[other one]

On 10/2/2024 at 1:23 PM, Sparks said:

I mean no offense, but you might benefit by taking a short primer on logic so that you don't keep arriving at the wrong conclusions. 

While that's true, it's still kind of tacky to put it that way.  I got a chuckle out of it though. LoL

[Diamond]

1 hour ago, other one said:

What all about the Bible do you reject?

What do you reject. Just because we do not understand something does not mean we reject it. But it looks like you do. Paul makes it very clear that we have a long way to go in our understanding. Even the Bible says to lean not on our own understanding. 

[Diamond]

5 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

And yet you can't point to ANY insult I have made towards you.

Don't remember. 

[Diamond]

8 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

So much for your theories.

Too bad you do not understand and I am tired of trying to explain it to you.

[Michael37]

On 10/3/2024 at 7:38 AM, Diamond said:

I personally do not believe God can break the natural laws of physics. They are very exact and very precise. It is amazing how fine tuned our Universe is. 

It seems you are an empiricist, an untenable mindset for a Christian.

An empiricist is someone who believes that knowledge comes primarily from sensory experience and empirical evidence¹². This means they rely on what can be observed and experienced rather than on theoretical or innate ideas³. Empiricism is a key concept in the scientific method, emphasizing the importance of evidence gathered through experiments and observations². [Copilot]

1Co 1:27-29  But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God has chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;  (28)  and God has chosen the base things of the world, and things which are despised, and things which are not, in order to bring to nothing things that are;  (29)  so that no flesh should glory in His presence.

1Co 2:14  But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

[Diamond]

4 hours ago, other one said:

 What all about the Bible do you reject?

I do not reject anything in the Bible. At least not in the original Greek or Hebrew. I may object to some of the translations. For example clearly Adam and Eve did not sow fig leaves together. They made clothing out of the fiber from the fig tree. It is more like paper and more for show. This is where we get fig tree or fig leaf religion. 

I struggle the idea that God is Love and absolute Justice when there is so much pain and misery and suffering in the world. I struggle with the idea that Christian are to love one another when they are so vicious in their attacks. 

But I keep trusting and believing in God and do my best to give Him praise and honor and glory. I struggle to live a holy sanctified life righteous before Him. 

[Diamond]

4 hours ago, Michael37 said:

It seems you are an empiricist,

Wrong, swing and a miss, nice try though. 

[other one]

2 hours ago, Diamond said:

. They made clothing out of the fiber from the fig tree.

The Hebrew uses branch or foliage.  It is translated both ways in the old testament.  I'm not sure where you get fiber.   Can that be considered foliage?

 

Still, considering God can't do things against Physical Laws, pretty much removes the miracles from the bible.  I could never agree to that thought process.

[other one]

6 hours ago, Diamond said:

What do you reject. Just because we do not understand something does not mean we reject it. But it looks like you do. Paul makes it very clear that we have a long way to go in our understanding. Even the Bible says to lean not on our own understanding. 

I think we'll not ever come to an agreement in what you say and what you mean.  God not breaking physical laws means he can't walk on water. You can say we don't understand, but there is a lot of what the Bible says that would be difficult to believe from my viewpoint.

If you can live with that, I guess it's ok, but I would question how helpful it is to get people to not believe what the Bible says and keep faith levels high.

[Diamond]

3 hours ago, other one said:

God not breaking physical laws means he can't walk on water

My Bible says to lean not on your own understanding. Some thing we are just not going to be able to understand. You can believe what you want. The explanation is that the water was frozen. If you do not wish to accept the reason that is up to you.