The Problem With Evolution Part 2- Animals

[RV_Wizard]

17 hours ago, BeyondET said:

Does the bible say it's some of the light? that divided into the sun moon stars. And the earth rotated once where's that at? How can the bible not say its the same yet your claiming part of it is makes no sense.

That isnt much better than the evolution theory.

Light, greater light, lesser light. Sounds like three right there.

The Bible describes an entity called light in the first verses of the book of Genesis  prior to the creation of the sun, moon and stars.  Subsequently, there is no further mention of it.  Today, the entity that lights the earth is the sun, which was created on day four.  So either the entity called light became the other lights of the universe, or it was destroyed and the rest of the universe came about.

Proponents of the Big Bang claim that the material of the universe came from a singularity, which may or may not have been the entity called light.  It's one of the few claims of science that actually fits perfectly with the Bible description.

[RV_Wizard]

10 hours ago, Scott Free said:

The opinions I express are just a stawman. My true goal is to verify to myself that the Torah creation stories are being tacked onto the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I despise its presentation to non-believers of Jesus as a condition of faith for salvation. To find a way to knock this fanaticism down a peg in a tactful way will be very rewarding.

Jesus quoted from Genesis, teaching that God created Adam and Eve, and through them instituted marriage.  In Genesis when God walks and talks with Adam, He does so through Jesus.  Jesus spoke with Adam and Eve directly.  John reveals this in John 6:46 "Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father."

Jesus taught that the Scriptures were true and were suitable for teaching and instruction.  Therefore, Genesis IS the infallible word of God.

[Scott Free]

1 hour ago, RV_Wizard said:

Jesus quoted from Genesis, teaching that God created Adam and Eve, and through them instituted marriage.  In Genesis when God walks and talks with Adam, He does so through Jesus.  Jesus spoke with Adam and Eve directly.  John reveals this in John 6:46 "Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father."

We need a hermeneutic that reads scripture through the lens of Jesus Christ and through his incarnation, life, death, resurrection, ascension, and future hope. We believe in the bible because we believe in God, not vice versa. The question of Adam and Eve is a theological question. It isn’t really a scientific question. Nor can it be decided by submission to the allusions of Jesus recorded in the gospels. 

[BeyondET]

4 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

The Bible describes an entity called light in the first verses of the book of Genesis  prior to the creation of the sun, moon and stars.  Subsequently, there is no further mention of it.  Today, the entity that lights the earth is the sun, which was created on day four.  So either the entity called light became the other lights of the universe, or it was destroyed and the rest of the universe came about.

Proponents of the Big Bang claim that the material of the universe came from a singularity, which may or may not have been the entity called light.  It's one of the few claims of science that actually fits perfectly with the Bible description.

The Methuselah star is in the range of 13.7 billion to 15.3 billion. Regardless if someone believes the universe is old or young the star has been around since the beginning. Bible or science.

It's very low iron content suggests it was created before most heavier elements in the universe was present.

Here's a head scratcher, the upper water in Genesis is also mentioned just once and nothing else is said about it.

The sun is a star/light and planets look like stars/lights until viewed through a telescope. In Genesis there's a clear distinction between lights and stars as well. Certainly it wasn't written just for people who didn't know what the other planets are.

There's been some studying of a young star being created in one of the constellations. The findings viewed, water is present before the star forms. Like the sun was after earth's water. Since water is a major component of star formation, water has been around since the beginning.

Edited September 19, 2023 by BeyondET

[RV_Wizard]

8 hours ago, Scott Free said:

 The question of Adam and Eve is a theological question. It isn’t really a scientific question. Nor can it be decided by submission to the allusions of Jesus recorded in the gospels. 

The origin of man was explained to us by Jesus Christ, who was there at the time.  He reminds us that God instituted marriage from the beginning.  Since Jesus who was there attested to the veracity of the Scriptures, either the Scriptures are accurate or Jesus isn't telling us the truth.  We KNOW the Bible is accurate because the son of God said so.  Have faith in God and His holy word.  Forget the claims of those whose god is the creation, not the Creator.

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

It is definitely a head scratcher for me how people believe in evolution. I personally put those people in the same camp as the flat earthers, people who are determined to believe how they want, even when presented with evidence to the contrary. When you look at all the flaws in the theory, like irreducible complexity, lack of transitional fossils in the fossil record, and the 2nd and 3rd law of thermodynamics make evolution not just bad science, but absolutely impossible to prove. 

[Scott Free]

19 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

We KNOW the Bible is accurate because the son of God said so

Are you saying the meaning of words are clear and obvious? Should we all agree on your interpretations without creative thinking or critical analysis, least we find ourselves against God?

[Starise]

21 hours ago, Scott Free said:

The opinions I express are just a stawman. My true goal is to verify to myself that the Torah creation stories are being tacked onto the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I despise its presentation to non-believers of Jesus as a condition of faith for salvation. To find a way to knock this fanaticism down a peg in a tactful way will be very rewarding.

I have no agenda here other than getting to the truth.

The agenda the other side has generally subtracts from the validity of creation by telling a naturalist story which leaves God out, or minimizes God. They may not do this intentionally. The end result is usually an explanation that involves some sort of a process that involves time, unobserved claims, or nebulous explanations.

To pin 'fanaticism' on a group or individual should come along with an explanation for that view, unless you want it pitched into the invalid can.

[Scott Free]

Just now, Starise said:

The end result is usually an explanation that involves some sort of a process that involves time, unobserved claims, or nebulous explanations.

The creation stories reveal the glory and power of God. We have no basis for saying that it ‘reveals’ scientific theories.

[Starise]

20 minutes ago, Scott Free said:

The creation stories reveal the glory and power of God. We have no basis for saying that it ‘reveals’ scientific theories.

I am speaking of those explanations which omit God.