Our default is the spirit (not the flesh)!

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

17 hours ago, Neighbor said:

Hi, That  is a presumption, a blatant generality, without basis.

You don't get out much do you?

Listen to some of the popular preachers that wear skinny jeans they so many think are hip and happening... eventually they'll get around to "all out future sins have already been forgiven" which is a straight up license to sin!

That's what got me to noticing this is hearing what people are claiming popular preachers are saying and I'd go look them up on you tube and they in your face with greasy grace

This is why so many claiming to be Christians are out drinking booze, cussing, having sex outside of marriage, claiming to be gay Christians, cross dressing Christians, sexually attracted to child Christians, and the filth just goes on and on by people claiming to be born again

All because they enjoy some greasy grace which all came out of once saved always saved, teaching people "it's not possible to lose your salvation" which the Word of God teaches it IS in fact possible for one to lose their salvation.

But greasy grace fills the pews and puts money in the preacher's pockets and so... greasy grace is what all who have itching ears love to hear while they drink some beer.  They'd rather smoke some weed then help those in need.

Edited September 8, 2023 by Stan Murff

[Michael37]

1 hour ago, Stan Murff said:

The bible speaks of people falling away from the faith.
They can't fall away if they were never in the faith to begin with.

It's good to go with the plain reading of scripture.

[Vine Abider]

10 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

Sounds like a good excuse for discounting what the Lord said in His Word.

We all know who the author of this kinda thinking comes from.

What can I say to that . . . except peace, brother.

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

14 hours ago, Michael37 said:

This is why they spend so much investigating what causes planes to crash in order to learn what NOT to do and to fix things that need to be fixed to help it not happen again!

[Michael37]

45 minutes ago, Stan Murff said:

This is why they spend so much investigating what causes planes to crash in order to learn what NOT to do and to fix things that need to be fixed to help it not happen again!

Good analogy, with the default position being "things happen or don't because God allows or disallows them".

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

Actually there many bad things that happen because man is ignorant of God's promises and is not abiding in Christ being led by the Holy Spirit walking in God's Wisdom that can be found in His written Word..

God says His people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge. (Hosea 4:6)

Many fail to resist the devil by submitting to God so he'll flee (James 4:7)

If we walk after the flesh (sin) we shall reap corruption (Gal 6:7,8) and that is an open door to the devil to come in to one's life and steal, kill, and destroy! (John 10:10)

God is not allowing bad things to happen willy nilly as though it's His will to cause evil to come upon people.  Those who believe that have the Lord confused with the devil.

If the Lord is allowing bad things to happen it's because someone is either in disobedience, or they are ignorant of God's promises, and sometimes people let things they have been taught slip and they quit believing for the Lord's protection.

Hebrews 2:1-3
Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.
For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

Don't tell those "reformers" about any of this because they claim we have to do nothing which is a message that makes the devil very happy.

We are co-laborers with God (1 Corinthians 3:9) and if we aren't living in submission to the Lord abiding In Christ then that gives the devil an open door to come in to one's life and do his dastardly deeds!


 

Edited September 9, 2023 by Stan Murff

[SpiritSong]

On 9/7/2023 at 2:55 PM, Neighbor said:

Hi, That  is a presumption, a blatant generality, without basis. I counter it with the inspired of God teaching of the saints right from the get go from Paul who asks  and answers the question within the complete text of what is now referenced as Romans 5 and 6.

One is not to sin all the more that grace may abound all the more. 

Let's not accuse one another but reason together.

 

Hebrews 10:26

For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, Jesus will not offer Himself again as another sacrifice.

 

Philippians 2:12

Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

 

Matthew 7:21

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

 

Luke 9:62

But Jesus said to him, “No one, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.”

 

2 Peter 2:21-22

21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”

[Vine Abider]

7 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

If the Lord is allowing bad things to happen it's because someone is either in disobedience, or they are ignorant of God's promises, and sometimes people let things they have been taught slip and they quit believing for the Lord's protection.

Another possibility is that the "bad things" happening are for their own good in the long run.  For instance, Mary & Martha were greatly distressed when Jesus delayed His coming to see Lazarus and he died.  But there was a greater purpose and glory in mind.

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

1 hour ago, Vine Abider said:

Another possibility is that the "bad things" happening are for their own good in the long run.  For instance, Mary & Martha were greatly distressed when Jesus delayed His coming to see Lazarus and he died.  But there was a greater purpose and glory in mind.

And the Lord did not give Mary and Martha cancer, burn their house down, put them in a wheel chair, cause them to go broke financially, make them homeless, etc, etc.

James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man

The Lord is not putting temptations, trials, and testings upon His people that are in any way evil to teach them things.  Those that are NOT abiding in Christ, that can be a different story because they are walking in evil.

To teach His people... God sent His Word, the Holy Ghost, and He gave apostles, prophets, evangelists, and pastors that teach for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ (Ephesians 4:11,12)

 

[Vine Abider]

1 hour ago, Stan Murff said:

And the Lord did not give Mary and Martha cancer, burn their house down, put them in a wheel chair, cause them to go broke financially, make them homeless, etc, etc.

In the story of Job, God allowed "the adversary" to bring all sorts of evil upon Job and his family.  This tested Job and caused him to get his eyes off himself.  After he was humbled and learned that God was everything, Job was given more than he had before.