Are you sure that you shall enter into the Kingdom of heaven?

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

2 minutes ago, Buzzard3 said:

 If we're saved by faith alone, why does Paul warn believers in Gal 5:19-21 and 1Cor 6:9-11 that their sins can result in them not inheriting the kingdom of God?

Quote me on words you are putting into my mouth please

[luigi]

On 10/5/2023 at 12:10 AM, Susan Miller said:

Today one of my Christian friends told me that no matter what he does, Lord Jesus will forgive his sin, since he has accepted Lord Jesus as savior, and finally he shall enter into God's kingdom. 

But I remember that our Lord Jesus said: “Not everyone that said to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of My Father which is in heaven” (Matthew 7:21).We can see from this that entering the kingdom of heaven is not a simple matter, not as long as we believe in the Lord we can enter the kingdom of heaven, we must strive to pursue. What's your opinion, my friends？

As long as I continue to believe in loving my neighbor as I do myself, I will then inherit Gods kingdom according to His Word in Matthew 25:34-40. And by the way, this includes people who are not professing Christians, but do love their neighbors as themselves--and so unknowingly are believers in Christ. Another example of this is the Samaritan (an enemy of the Jews), who upon seeing the half dead Jewish man from Jerusalem, believed in and did Gods/loves will (Luke 10:33-37). So too are all throughout the world who through their faith in loving their neighbor, will inherit the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Luke 10:33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him, 34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. 35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee. 36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves? 37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

[Starise]

 " Depart from me, I never knew you"

This says a lot.  Certainly can't be used to debate these people fell away after being saved. " I NEVER knew you. Not, I knew you and you fell away. I NEVER knew you.

Yet they call Him Lord. They claim to work miracles and cast out demons. These would not be the unattached atheists, as they don't claim miracles in the name of Christ. Who does that? Mostly front and center religious figures people come to for such things. In the lime light.

So we know WHO they are, and we know they were NEVER God's children, no matter how convincing the exterior may be.

There are only two ways to work apparent miracles and seemingly cast out devils minus God.

Sleight of hand trickey.

Using the other side's pithy power in comparison to seeking God.

Yes they can pull some of it off. Strings are always attached. Nothing like real healing from the Lord.

What I find most surprising about this passage is they had the audacity to stand in front of the King and use their magic bean collection as entry.

 

 

[AdHoc]

7 hours ago, Buzzard3 said:

 If we're saved by faith alone, why does Paul warn believers in Gal 5:19-21 and 1Cor 6:9-11 that their sins can result in them not inheriting the kingdom of God?

Now we're close to a resolution. If we can define "saved" we can settle the dispute

A man is appointed to rule his district. To rule he needs a clean criminal record. He runs a red light on the way home and is caught. The fine is $500 and he has a criminal entry in the register. He now faces
1. a heavy fine which he cannot pay
2. a criminal entry in the register
3. loss of eligibility to rule the district

A rich man who believes that the appointee is the right man to rule, comes forward to pay the fine. The payment of the fine SAVES the appointee from POVERTY, but it does not SAVE him from the registry. The word "save" has different meanings.

God made man to rule (Gen.1:26-28). The man sins. He must (1) restore the hurt to God, (2) be punished for offending God, and (3) he forfeits his rule. Christ dies for the man's sins. He is SAVED from restoration (which he cannot pay) and he is saved from retribution. But both these do not make him ruler. Rather he has shown that he is not a good ruler.

Salvation from the Lake of Fire, rebirth to be a son of God and to have eternal life are through FAITH. But to be restored to ruler needs the man to show that he is capable (WORKS). That is, salvation from your sins is one thing, entering the Kingdom is another. It is clearly seen in John 3:3-5. If you are born again you are born into a royal family. You had to do NOTHING. But you can only "SEE" the Kingdom (v.3). To "ENTER" you need to be OBEDIENT and be Baptized.

As you have rightly pointed out, the rich man had to do WORKS. But the goal was not salvation from sins, but ENTERING the Kingdom. There are teo sets of scripture. One says you HAVE eternal Life by FAITH. The other set say you ENTER Life by WORKS. If you can define "LIFE" you have the answer.

[Buzzard3]

8 hours ago, AFlameOfFire said:

Quote me on words you are putting into my mouth please

Please stop talking in riddles.  And how does me asking you a question amount to me putting words in your mouth? 

 

Are you saying we're saved by faith alone?   If so, why does Paul warn believers in Gal 5:19-21 and 1Cor 6:9-11 that their sins can result in them not inheriting the kingdom of God?

 

 

Or are you saying we're saved by faith and obedience (aka faith and works)?

 

Please clarify your position.

[Buzzard3]

35 minutes ago, Starise said:

 " Depart from me, I never knew you"

This says a lot.  Certainly can't be used to debate these people fell away after being saved. " I NEVER knew you. Not, I knew you and you fell away. I NEVER knew you.

Perhaps this Scripture has something to do with it:

"And by this we may be sure that we know him, if we keep his commandments.  He who says “I know him” but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him" (1John 2:3-4).

 

Jesus said, "depart from me, you workers of lawlessness (Matt 7:23)

Edited October 7, 2023 by Buzzard3

[Starise]

5 minutes ago, Buzzard3 said:

Perhaps this Scripture has something to do with it:

"And by this we may be sure that we know him, if we keep his commandments.  He who says “I know him” but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him" (1John 2:3-4).

 

Jesus said, "depart from me, you workers of lawlessness (Matt 7:23)

The two go hand in hand, but Christian sometimes fall.

[Vine Abider]

32 minutes ago, Buzzard3 said:

Please stop talking in riddles.  And how does me asking you a question amount to me putting words in your mouth? 

 

Are you saying we're saved by faith alone?   If so, why does Paul warn believers in Gal 5:19-21 and 1Cor 6:9-11 that their sins can result in them not inheriting the kingdom of God?

 

 

Or are you saying we're saved by faith and obedience (aka faith and works)?

 

Please clarify your position.

You equate the kingdom with eternal life - is that what you see? 

[Buzzard3]

52 minutes ago, Starise said:

 " Depart from me, I never knew you"

This says a lot.  Certainly can't be used to debate these people fell away after being saved. " I NEVER knew you. Not, I knew you and you fell away. I NEVER knew you.

I think it's worth keeping in mind that we're dealing with a foreign language spoken 2000 years ago, in which case, reading "I never knew you" literally could be a mistake.  It could be a figure of speech that means "I know you, but I hereby disown you, so now it's as if I never you at all." 

If the believers Jesus is talking to worked miracles in his name, then Jesus must have known them. 

Furthermore, Jesus, being God, knows everyone, believers and non-believers.

[Buzzard3]

5 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

You equate the kingdom with eternal life - is that what you see? 

I believe "the kingdom of God" in Gal 5 and 1Cor 6 refers to eternal life.